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Mike Lynch et al missing at sea and his friend killed in a car crash within weeks. Seems like the US are bitter about his acquittal. Maybe HP employing secret agents?
I think using the weather to create a waterspout powerful enough to snap the mast on a ship that size, capsize her and cause her to sink might be beyond even the Mango Messiah’s fevered imagination - it’s certainly beyond the ability of any government.
Maybe HP employing secret agents?
If they truly are secret, we'll never actually know.
Its got conspiracy theory written all over it, hasn't it? The tin hat brigade will be going bananas.
Looks like the yacht was genuinely sunk by a combo of vicious storm and taking a direct hit from a waterborne tornado. Even the Israelis would struggle to make that one up..
killed in a car crash
Hit by a car. I have to admit, the timing is odd, but I do believe it is hard to summon Godzilla and arrange an RTA, so likely just weird coincidence. There are frequent (probably weekly) fatal accidents with cars, motor bikes and bikes on the Cambridgeshire roads.
I think using the weather to create a waterspout powerful enough to snap the mast on a ship that size, capsize her and cause her to sink might be beyond even the Mango Messiah’s fevered imagination – it’s certainly beyond the ability of any government.
I see what you're saying. Yes, we're likely talking super-powerful dark state powers here... some sort of secret liberal elite. Maybe the UK civil service?
Hit by a car would be all in a days work for secret services. Not sure how a minature storm in Sicily could be arranged.
Mango Messiah
He's not the mango messiah, he's a very naughty boy!!
I think using the weather to create a waterspout powerful enough to snap the mast on a ship that size, capsize her and cause her to sink might be beyond even the Mango Messiah’s fevered imagination – it’s certainly beyond the ability of any government.
The US government has spent $750m on a 'weather monitoring' system, HAARP, which is rather a lot for a weather station. It's officially been handed over to a university in Alaska now but the defence department were very interested in it originally, who knows if they still have any involvement.
Have a Google of some of the conspiracy theories around that. I'm not saying they are all true, or indeed that any of them are, but they're a fun read if you like that sort of stuff, and it does make you think.
Funny was about to post the same thing.
A series of unfortunate events that happened to happen to some people who royally pissed off a big US corporation but got acquitted of wrongdoing... I'll put my tin foil hat away now but it does seem a tad coincidental. lol
it’s certainly beyond the ability of any government.
that is what they want the clueless sheeple to think, yes. A "freak" storm would be the ideal cover to detonate a couple of strategically placed explosive charges placed on the yacht, however...
'Maybe HP employing secret agents?' You are a saucy boy.
This is the storm running through a cafe at the adjacent harbour.
As you can plainly see, the microburst and incredibly localised storm was the direct result of the Skunk Works Aurora “Black Triangle” UFO briefly disengaging stealth mode and wreaking havoc over a square mile. This tech was only supposed to be used against Soviet China, but now it has leaked to the three letter agencies. Once Harris gets elected, who knows who they will come for next?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c74jzd22dkno
Mr Chamberlain died in hospital after the crash on the A1123 at Stretham in Cambridgeshire at about 10:10 BST on Saturday.
The driver of the car, a 49-year-old woman from Haddenham, remained at the scene and is assisting with enquiries.
Shitty beyond belief. That road is nasty for sure, but doesn't seem like the secret cabals, more like dreadful driver updating facebook status.
If I was in charge of a secret government agency going around sinking super yachts(*) I'd try to do it in water that's a bit harder to get to so my dirty deeds were harder to uncover.
* - which I'm not, obviously! (**)
** - though that's exactly what I would say if I was, isn't it....
Modern super yacht, state of the art navigation and weather forecasting, professional crew taking it into a storm. Won't be difficult to spin a plausible story around that. Crew compromised, instrumentation interfered with etc etc etc.
Nuts but they'll be those wanting to believe it
HP printers are fantastic and I’d recommend them to anyone and everyone without question,
Phew………that should remove me from the HP hit list.
professional crew taking it into a storm
It was moored just off the shore. Wasn't going anywhere
professional crew taking it into a storm
It was moored just off the shore. Wasn’t going anywhere
Just like in all the Bond films - they are never parked where you can walk along a pontoon to sink them, you need to get out the Scuba equipment, the jet-tow thing, the harpoons and spear-guns, and hope some sharks are cruising around for extra drama.
This lot were seen on the beach just before the boat sank!
In a couple of days Matt Damon will wash up in Palermo harbor in a wetsuit looking a bit battered and bruised, and then it's all gonna kick off
In a couple of days Matt Damon will wash up in Palermo harbor in a wetsuit looking a bit battered and bruised, and then it’s all gonna kick off
Jean-Luc Packard as the villain.
Someone with a humungous carbon footprint dies when hit by an increasingly common due to climatic change Med storm. Whilst the other using his feet to walk somewhere carbon free gets taken down by a car. Karma works in strange ways.
A “freak” storm would be the ideal cover to detonate a couple of strategically placed explosive charges placed on the yacht, however…
Aside from it being in shallow enough water it would extremely likely to be discovered.
Plus there is the waiting time for a suitable "freak" storm to turn up. Are the ninjas following them around constantly hoping for some bad weather or have the charges already been place in hope? Either seem somewhat risky.
It is a great example of coincidences which can lead to conspiracy theories. I was wondering how quickly they would emerge and thats before the second death.
Question is why would the US government be arsed since we can safely rule out HP doing it on their own on the grounds that they got the right target. If it was left to them there would be a sunken pedalo in Australia.
A “freak” storm would be the ideal cover to detonate a couple of strategically placed explosive charges placed on the yacht, however…
Aside from it being in shallow enough water it would extremely likely to be discovered.
You remember those orcas attacking small boats near Gibraltar, last year? They were just training...
You assume they were just waiting for a storm, rather than expecting it. how is weather forecasting done? AI algorithms running on super computers. Good thing there isn't a company involved here that makes cutting-edge, AI powered super computers. Oh wait... [rubs chin emoji]Plus there is the waiting time for a suitable “freak” storm to turn up.
If I was putting my tin-foil hat on tho.... it seems the whole team involved in that litigation (except the jogging CFO) were on the yacht (Lawyer, banker) so if you did want to exact revenge - job done. It would have been less obvious if they'd fallen out of windows of course.
It would have been less obvious if they’d fallen out of windows of course.
From Russia With Love (in keeping with the Bond theme)
reminds me of the time Robert Maxwell fell off his yacht which left quite a splash in the business world.
Are the ninjas following them around constantly hoping for some bad weather or have the charges already been place in hope?
you’re dangerously close to the truth here. What actually happens is that all the super yachts are rigged with charges and the ninjas follow the storms waiting for the perfect moment.
Sicily, you say....hmmm, I guess someone didn't pay the local business organization
I'm going more with the killer Beluga and Ukrainian links theory....
Of course the car thing could be a hit job but the water spout? Hardly.
Conspiracy theories aside, I’m really struggling to come to terms with how a micro burst can sink a boat of that size unless there’s some kind of manufacturing defect. In general most sinkages occur due to loss of keel. Yachts are designed to be in much worse conditions at sea with all sorts of lateral forces at play. That boat was anchored out of the prevailing wind/chop so the water conditions aren’t a factor so doubt loss of keel was the issue. It’s got massive design flaw written all over it, bloody trophy boats with masts too big for a their intended purpose. Speculation I know, but a mast of that size and weight could easily do some serious structural damage if it fell in the right place. Either that or a wee guy in a suitcase.
@paino warm muggy night, at anchor in a supposedly calm bay, I bet all the cabin windows were wide open, which you’d not do while under way. Wouldn’t take a lot to swamp it.
The conspiracy crap is amusing. HP might be an evil company (the water glasses chained to the dispensers in the office I worked at in Bangalore were evidence of that), but competent of skullduggery on that scale? Nah.
i reckon it was the orcas
I'm more concerned that I don't seem to be able to report the post. Just because you can do/say something doesn't mean you should.
HP can't even make a functioning printer, let alone control the weather.
I'm sure the chemtrail/cloud seeding nuts are having a field day, but I suspect there are easier ways to off someone if it's really necessary.
A freaky coincidence like this is manna from heaven for the conspiracy nut jobs.
My closest near death experience on a bike came on that road the jogger was killed on. You'd think that straight roads with clear sight lines would be safer but quite the opposite compared to other places I've lived.
Some of the comments on this thread might be seen as quite insensitive by any relatives.
Conspiracy theories aside, I’m really struggling to come to terms with how a micro burst can sink a boat of that size unless there’s some kind of manufacturing defect. In general most sinkages occur due to loss of keel.
Go read the thread on Sailing Anarchy about it...
The boat had a fricking huge mast (50m+ ) and a 4m draft, large glazed openings and as a 12 person or less boat was not designed past certain heel angles etc etc
The windage from a bare mast mixed with a massive few minute storm, plus possibility of the boat 'tripping' on its anchor = crazy forces.
Even if well built, even if the crew were trying to respond, they may have been overwhelmed.
There's a *rumor* someone's home CCTV caught a good portion of things, and severe heeling to sunk was less than a minute...
And I'll go look on YouTube, but I've seen shore CCTV of a storm in I think NZ where a 40' catamaran weighing a few tons was flipped backwards and behind it a 40m yacht has it's spreaders in the water for a few minutes before the storm stops....
Thanks Matt, that’s a really interesting read.
The latest I have read is that the mast did not snap off. It looks like the yacht was blown over, and water entered through open windows and doors, which had been left open as the weather was hot.
The hull was swamped by the water entering and sank. The yacht is lying on its side in 50m of water, otherwise intact.
It would be very hard to control the weather, but easier to compromise the stability of the yacht by interfering with ballast, then hoping for a gust, but actually getting an extreme weather event.
Usually the simplest cause is the correct one.
The yacht had a lifting keel. It was up.
The yacht was a badly designed vanity project like most 'super'(stupid name) yachts. Massive deck doors, huge heavy superstructure and a massive mast that was basically a cock substitute.
A real super yacht, so basically most sub 40ft sail craft would have been knocked down and sprung back up again with minimal water ingress even if all hatches had been open.
Harsh yes but that's the truth. Such a shame and a waste of life but the superyacht industry needs to look at itself.
That’s just click bait…
Shall I start a pod-cast?
Shall I start a pod-cast
A Cefalupod-cast?
Still suspicious it sank. Windows were 3cm thick so it must have been built to withstand much worse. Very sad for all involved.
Captain Being questioned on whether some hatches were left open apparently.
Shall I start a pod-cast?
It was the Orcas what dunnit!
martinhutch
HP can’t even make a functioning printer, let alone control the weather.
I've just had to wrestle with an HP Plotter and was thinking exactly the same thing. I'd sink HP if I could.
The yacht had a lifting keel. It was up.
It seems it is a lifting centreplate on the bottom of a near full length keel. It can be seen on the plan and photos. And the plater, while adding to stability at rest, can (as any dinghy sailor gybing will tell you) can add to the 'tripping' effect if the boat is moving or loaded sideways. Like in a sudden storm.
Let's wait for the MAIB to put out a report.
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The latest I have read is that the mast did not snap off. It looks like the yacht was blown over, and water entered through open windows and doors, which had been left open as the weather was hot.
I've seen this in a few places but struggling to get my head round it. Would expect a modern yacht that size to have aircon throughout and everything kept closed as a result
Now confirmed by “a source close to the family” that Mike Lynch’s body has been recovered.
As someone who was acquainted with Mike many, many years ago (before he was rich), I am just sad that such a clever bloke is dead. He was someone who managed to make money out of his own ideas and brainpower and he should be celebrated for that.
videos of the dives to the yacht have been leaked, all the relevent hatches were closed. Looking like a crappy design was a leading cause of the sinking.
Again, too early and not enough clear information as yet. MAIB report will bring this all together and that is the one source for all speculation....
(I am clearly new here....)