[Closed] UKIP's 'Common Sense' bus hits Portsmouth Railway Station.

When did that happen?

Jeeezus, some people are only interested in facts. It [i]probably[/i] happened. Is that good enough ffs ?

It's a lovely picture mitsumonkey. The Times put it on their front page.

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ernie_lynch - Member

An interesting rant.

I appreciate that you took it for what it was. 🙂
As a mongrel I embrace the differences in people in this country, and it is why I love Britain so much.
Too full of Guinness and gin to make any other sense.
God bless you all, if that's what you desire. 🙂

You got me bang to rights. My right wing views have unfortunately left me incapable of holding my own in such esteemed intellectual company.

Instead I'm off to do the next picture in my Sarah Palin join the dots book. I think it might be a polar bear.

I love it.. Lefty assumption that intelligence defines wether you're worthy of voting..

The fact you were pleased with it only compounds the fail.

For every bright left vote, there could be ten dim right ones

So faridge has bottled standing in a proper election

I think that tells you all you need to know about UKIP and their leader-

hes in it for his mep expenses account and self publicity, his prescious ego couldnt take the humiliation it seems

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Perhaps he thinks Neil Hamilton is the right man to stand in a parliamentary seat vacated due to a "cash-for-questions scandal" ?

Anyway in other news, a UKIP candidate points out that an African shouldn't win an Olympic gold medal for Britain.

[url= http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/apr/29/ukip-wycherley-mo-farah-racism-row-facebook ]Ukip in racism row after candidate describes Mo Farah as 'African'[/url]

Has anyone made a comparison between Nigel Farage and Adolf Hitler ?

I [i]may[/i] have drawn a Hitler 'tache on Farage on the leaflet UKIP sent us. It's not big or clever, but it is funny.

Said leaflet then went into a jiffy envelope with some offcuts of wood, was addressed to their freepost address and popped in the postbox this morning.

Here's the news guys, remember that little ditty '10 million Sun readers can't be wrong'

Have a guess how many Grauniad readers there are?

I once saw an early "reality" TV show where a female Guardian journalist was paired with a Sun journalist (male, white shirt, red braces) to work at The Sun for a week.

It was getting close to deadline and the Guardian journalist had not been able to interview the key person for the story due to unavailability.

The Sun journalist told her "Don't worry, just make it up".

The Guardian journalist said "Isn't that a bit unethical?"

The Sun journalist said: "You have me confused with someone who gives a f***, luv."

Sorry - typo. Sun "journalist", I should say...

Help me here please.

All these defecting voters, 41% Tory, 12% Lab, 19% Lib, they're all closet racists and fruitcakes, right? So the parties won't want them back?

And racists are thickos, thickos are racists, does thet indicate some awful failing in our education system?

seems that way slowoldgit
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/simpletons-of-newark-bereft-2014043086126

Racism is nothing to do with where you are on the political spectrum.

Racism comes from people who are scared of change and scared of 'the other'. The more extreme fringes of any political position tend to be racist because they're the most scared. Both Hitler and Stalin slaughtered Jews remember...

(Is there an equivalent of Godwin's Law for Stalin?) 🙂

That shows that despots are despots and can come from both the left and the right but yes there are some left wing racists

Still I am happy for someone to look at the EU and tell us what % of parties that are racist are right wing and what % are left wing

Its still the case the right has more of an issue with this than the left

Help me here please.

All these defecting voters, 41% Tory, 12% Lab, 19% Lib, they're all closet racists and fruitcakes, right? So the parties won't want them back?

And racists are thickos, thickos are racists, does thet indicate some awful failing in our education system?

You don't understand the difference between a UKIP party member and a potential UKIP voter ?

There is plenty of evidence that David Cameron's description of UKIP as "a bunch of fruit cakes and loonies and closet racists" was fairly accurate.

If fact the evidence appears to be arriving on a weekly if not daily basis.

they're all closet racists and fruitcakes, right? So the parties won't want them back?

Yes, I think the estimates have shown that something like 15 percent of any given population are open to voting for far right nationalists like the BNP. If you vote for an openly racist party such as the BNP then you are a racist. Plain and simple, no questions asked. I get the feeling a lot of those types will make up a considerable percentage of UKIPs support.

And in the latest evidence of bigoted fruitcakes in UKIP - UKIP candidate, Jackie Garnett, says Britain should "ban Islam and knock down all the mosques".

It is precisely because the vast majority of potential UKIP voters [i]aren't[/i] loopy fruitcakes that they should be made aware of what they intend voting for.

Sadly such is the determination by some to give the "political establishment" a kicking, that they quite likely won't heed the warnings.

Racism is nothing to do with where you are on the political spectrum.

Hmm.....

There's no gentle way to put it: People who give in to racism and prejudice may simply be dumb, according to a new study that is bound to stir public controversy.

The research finds that children with low intelligence are more likely to hold prejudiced attitudes as adults. These findings point to a vicious cycle, according to lead researcher Gordon Hodson, a psychologist at Brock University in Ontario. Low-intelligence adults tend to gravitate toward socially conservative ideologies, the study found. Those ideologies, in turn, stress hierarchy and resistance to change, attitudes that can contribute to prejudice, Hodson wrote in an email to LiveScience.

http://www.livescience.com/18132-intelligence-social-conservatism-racism.html

If you vote for an openly racist party such as the BNP then you are a racist. Plain and simple, no questions asked.

I disagree. While many might well be described as racist not all necessarily are. Hard as it might be to believe but some people do not consider the BNP to be racist. They simply don't put enough thought into it and accept the BNP's claim that they are not racist at face value.

I have even know people (working class) to openly claim that they are racist when they clearly aren't, eg when you point that their mate so-and-so is black they respond with "well he's different" or you remind that they seem to get on well with Mr Patel at the corner shop and they respond with "yeah he's alright".

It kind of amuses me how this contrasts with some middle-class people who vehemently deny they are racist and then show obvious prejudges towards black people.

I have even know people (working class) to openly claim that they are racist when they clearly aren't, eg when you point that their mate so-and-so is black they respond with "well he's different" or you remind that they seem to get on well with Mr Patel at the corner shop and they respond with "yeah he's alright".

It's still racism, your mates just consider him to be an "exceptional n.....".

Hard as it might be to believe but some people do not consider the BNP to be racist. They simply don't put enough thought into it and accept the BNP's claim that they are not racist at face value.

I don't believe that for a second, they just don't want to be outed as racist.

Sorry what's "still racism" ?

They elevate a few ethnic minorty individuals around them to their level. That's still racist thinking.

I have even know people (working class) to openly claim that they are racist when they clearly aren't, eg when you point that their mate so-and-so is black they respond with "well he's different" or you remind that they seem to get on well with Mr Patel at the corner shop and they respond with "yeah he's alright".

It kind of amuses me how this contrasts with some middle-class people who vehemently deny they are racist and then show obvious prejudges towards black people.

Oh dear.

They elevate a few ethnic minorty individuals around them to their level. That's still racist thinking.

I don't know what you're talking about. I'm talking about people who claim to be racist, ie don't like black people, and yet provide no evidence to back it up, eg they have plenty of black friends and acquaintances. It's based on more on what they feel they "ought" to say and is their duty to say. It's not actually based on reality.

And it is, where it exists, a predominately working class attitude. As I say in the case of the middle-classes, where it exists, the hypocrisy goes in the opposite direction.

Oh dear.

I don't know what you're talking about. I'm talking about people who claim to be racist, ie don't like black people, and yet provide no evidence to back it up, eg they have plenty of black friends and acquaintances. It's based on more on what they feel they "ought" to say and is their duty to say. It's not actually based on reality.

My experience is that these types are actually racist but make excuses for themselves for people that they know "He's alright, he's not one of them proper somalian immigrants". They will still happily vote for racist policies.

You can be racist and have black friends.

As since we're playing the "I don't agree with what you're saying but can't think of anything to say"....

grum - Member

Oh dear.

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It's difficult to know where to start with such ridiculous baseless nonsense really.

Tom_W has explained it pretty well but if you can't understand I guess there's no helping you.

I have even know people (working class) to openly claim that they are racist when they clearly aren't, eg when you point that their mate so-and-so is black they respond with "well he's different" or you remind that they seem to get on well with Mr Patel at the corner shop and they respond with "yeah he's alright".

Suggesting that this attitude proves someone is not racist is utterly stupid.

I realise you're trying to fit things into your 'working class good, middle-class bad' prejudices, but this is really idiotic.

Oh I'm sorry grum did I upset your middle-class sensibilities by pointing the common hypocrisy of middle-class people who claim not to be racist ? You sound a little upset.

Someone who claims "not to like black people" and has lots of black friends is clearly not being honest. Because the minute they've got a black friend they are immediately proving that it is "the individual" which counts, not their colour. It is an attitude which exists although it is not necessarily that widespread, I've known cases.

If you can't understand that then "I guess there's no helping you".

EDIT : [i]I realise you're trying to fit things into your 'working class good, middle-class bad' prejudices, but this is really idiotic. [/i]

I'm hardly suggesting that it's a good attitude to have 😆

Someone who claims "not to like black people" and has lots of black friends is clearly not being honest.

Oh so now it's 'lots of black friends' eh? 😆

You're clearly not a stupid person, so I'm not sure why you're making such daft arguments.

Because the minute they've got a black friend they are immediately proving that it is "the individual" which counts, not their colour.

They're still applying their racism to all the other black people in the world though. Is this really that difficult for you to grasp? Or is it just that it's the good old 'salt of the earth' working-class racism which you can identify with so it's fine?

I thought being racy and sexy was considered a good thing?

OK grum you have never heard someone make a racist comment despite not being racist.

I guess that in your little politically correct world this sort of thing doesn't happened.

However in my experience of working in environments which not very politically correct such as building sites I have heard racist remarks made by people who were not necessarily racist, ie, they showed no prejudices against black people. I've also heard people making homophobic remarks despite not feeling any animosity towards gay people - how shocking is that ?

I know all this is beyond the comprehension of your politically correct addled mind, but that's how it is.

That's not what you said though is it. You're completely moving the goalposts again.

Quite amusing to be told how PC I am - people that know me well would disagree I think.

It is exactly what I said. What people say does not necessarily reflect what they really feel. Sometimes people aren't even honest to themselves.

Quite amusing to be told how PC I am - people that know me well would disagree I think.

I base my comments purely on what you post on here. For all I know you might be a homophobic bigoted racist in real life.

However in my experience of working in environments which not very politically correct such as building sites I have heard racist remarks made by people who were not necessarily racist, ie, they showed no prejudices against black people. I've also heard people making homophobic remarks despite not feeling any animosity towards gay people - how shocking is that ?

That's a different kettle of fish, I get this as I've worked in a kitchen where everyone liked each other but they would racially abuse each other in a light hearted fashion. It's contextual but that doesn't mean the guys you know aren't racist - in all likelihood if someone says they are racist, they probably are.

I wasn't talking about light-hearted banter.

if someone says they are racist, they probably are

Well that's an improvement.....it's down to "probably" now. I think I can agree with that.

So anyway, getting back to the point I was making.......[i]While many might well be described as racist not all necessarily are.[/i]

I have even know people (working class) to openly claim that they are racist when they clearly aren't

They are still racist though just not to everyone in that group
If someone says they are racists it is probably fair to say they are even if they have one or two friends from other races....or many as it is now

Its true that some middle class people may be racist as well and some working class salt of the earth folk can be prejudiced about the middle classes - I bet even you ernie probably know one or two you think are all right 😉

Now can we be a little less piss takey ?

I'm racist, i hate racing, can't we all just ride for fun?

Good point dabble. It's not a race to the cafe ffs.

I wasn't talking about light-hearted banter.

If someone uses a racial insult in anger, then they are racist. They might not display it on an every day to day basis though.

Junkyards explanation was pretty good.

I thought being racy and sexy was considered a good thing?

If someone uses a racial insult in anger, then they are racist.

Really ? I've used racial insults in anger. And on the basis that I don't consider myself a racist I can't agree with you. I've even got some black friends !

I've even got some black friends !

Oh cmon Ernie "I'm not a racist I've got black friends..." Lynch.....really?

Or was that a troll?

Well you work it out. Remember, I'm also opposed to the EU and its policy of unrestricted immigration. I think the case against me is starting to stack up. What do you reckon ?

I think the case against me is starting to stack up

God help you if anyone reads your Motorcycle Diaries!

From the Grauniad...

[i]ComRes poll shows Ukip at 38% for European election, 11 points ahead of Labour

A new poll suggests Ukip are soaring ahead in the European elections. These are the figures from a ComRes poll for ITN released today, showing the voting intention of those who say they are certain to vote.

Ukip: 38% (up 8 points from ComRes in early April)

Labour: 27% (down 3)

Conservatives: 18% (down 4)

Lib Dems: 8% (no change)
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I still believe it's the biggest protest vote ever.

I'm also opposed to the EU and its policy of unrestricted immigration

The EU doesn't have a policy of unrestricted immigration: the number of people dying trying to cross the frontier into Spain and Italy should make that clear.

Oh I'm sorry grum did I upset your middle-class sensibilities by pointing the common hypocrisy of middle-class people who claim not to be racist ?

Classist nonsense surely?

I still believe it's the biggest protest vote ever.

Unless today is the 23rd of May I don't believe that's true.

The [i]opinion poll[/i] you're referring to includes only those certain to vote, which boosts UKIP support as their voters tend to be more enthusiastic than others. If those who are likely to vote are included it cuts UKIP lead.

There's little doubt that UKIP will do well on the 22sd but I would wait til then before describing it as the biggest protest vote ever. Or perhaps you think we shouldn't actually bother with voting ?

ernie I usually agree with a lot of what you say but not sure where you are going with .....

I've explained exactly what I mean, if you prefer the simplistic "if they sound racist then they must be" attitude, then I would go for that. There's no need to agree with me on everything 🙂

Although even Tom eventually conceded that if someone says they're racist then they are [i]probably[/i] racist, which was the point that I was making, ie, it isn't definitive.

At least you know what you're going to get if UKIP do well in the Euro elections.UKIP MEPs who take the substantial pay from an organistaion they don't think should exist,don't bother to turn up to debate or vote and like to keep their noses buried deep in the Euro expenses trough.So much for a party so vocifeorus in it's criticism of the Westminster establishment.

I think UKIP's hypocrisy is well documented. Unfortunately a significant minority of the electorate choose to ignore it.

And to be fair the hypocrisy of other political parties has been ignored/tolerated. So no change there.

This is great, you can buy 'Gary' the bloke who gesticulated behind Farage yesterday a pint;

[url= http://www.thebellinnbath.co.uk/vinyl-dj-sets/2-uncategorised/46-buy-gary-a-pint ]http://www.thebellinnbath.co.uk/vinyl-dj-sets/2-uncategorised/46-buy-gary-a-pint[/url]

Left wing scum causing trouble in Swansea noted..

One of their main donors thinks homosexuals are incapable of love and that married women cannot be raped by their husband.

Nice

wwaswas - Member
One of their main donors thinks homosexuals are incapable of love and that married women cannot be raped by their husband.

Nice

I'm sure he does, just as Gordon Brown thought that woman a bigot, it's only that idiot Michael Crick who hates UKIP with a vengeance on his usual mission.

You mean to tell me you wouldn't have to look to hard to find nutters like that in every party, it's called being human, only the politically correct left try to alter that.

And here's a thing the more Channel 4 air views like this poor old boy the donor, the more similar types that still hold those views, that daren't speak them in todays society for exactly this reason, will vote UKIP.

OMG they've got that grinning gibbon Hamilton, coming on later, they must be in real panic.. 😆

Except ukip have more nutters....I bet its statistically significant as well.

just as Gordon Brown thought that woman a bigot

That's fantastic !.......what is the connection between some plonker claiming that gay people can't love and that men can't rape their wives, and Gordon Brown claiming that a woman was a bigot ? 😆

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You mean to tell me you wouldn't have to look to hard to find nutters like that in every party, it's called being human, only the politically correct left try to alter that.

You seem to have forgotten that it was the leader of the Conservative Party, not noted for being part of politically correct left, who famously denounced UKIP as a bunch of fruitcakes, loonies, and closet racists.

Tom_W1987 - Member
Except ukip have more nutters....I bet its statistically significant as well.

38% more.. and they've all got a vote, getting worried are we? 😆

ernie_lynch - Member
just as Gordon Brown thought that woman a bigot
That's fantastic !.......what is the connection between some plonker claiming that gay people can't love and that men can't rape their wives, and Gordon Brown claiming that a woman was a bigot ?

I wonder if individuals are able to express their own views anymore good or bad?

I am sure there are nutters in all the parties.

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Journalistic entrapment?

Er no, your memory is poor. Gordon Brown made the infamous remark to a member of his team. IIRC a mike was left on.

Besides, you completely fail to explain why claiming that in his opinion the woman was a bigot is anywhere as comparable as someone claiming that gay people can't love and that men can't rape their wives.

I wonder if individuals are able to express their own views anymore good or bad?

Well of course they are, its that freedom to keep publicly expressing their views that gets them into so much trouble.

chewkw - Member
I wonder if individuals are able to express their own views anymore good or bad?

I am sure there are nutters in all the parties.

This.

They're not trolling around looking for nutters in the other parties, the lefty knives are out for UKIP..

Naive not to think that mic wasn't deliberately left on Brown.. The knives were out for him at the time.

Only in UKIPs case people are fed up having to mind their p's and q's for fear of whatever, political correctness, causing folk to be called racist if they question immigration, homophobes if they criticise gays, on top of all the other crap, it's no wonder you're going to get an Earthquake of protest, and from all sections of the community, lots of other cultures don't much like being told what they can say and do either. I notice nobodies interviewing Muslims on their position re Gay Marriage for instance...

MSP - Member

I wonder if individuals are able to express their own views anymore good or bad?

Well of course they are, its that freedom to keep publicly expressing their views that gets them into so much trouble.

Ya, but how do their views get public in the first place if the media do not stick their noses into others business?

We know that there are zombie maggots everywhere but when the media broadcast their views as to generalise to the masses to justify their own ends, no wonder we are zombie maggots in the making.

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They're not trolling around looking for nutters in the other parties, the lefty knives are out for UKIP..

Naive not to think that mic wasn't deliberately left on Brown.. The knives were out for him at the time.

Gosh. It was lefties who forced David Cameron to publicly denounced UKIP as a bunch of fruitcakes and loonies, and it was lefties who were out to get Gordon Brown.

That's quite some conspiracy theory you've got there derekfish.

Is it also lefties who are also forcing Tory newspapers such as the Times and the Daily Telegraph to run "smear stories" against UKIP ?

causing folk to be called racist if they question immigration

Who does this? (I mean in reality now, rather than your likely answer of "...bloody lefties everywhere...")

homophobes if they criticise gays

Criticise gays for what? Being gay? Or wearing the wrong colour shoes with that suit?

Naive not to think that mic wasn't deliberately left on Brown.. The knives were out for him at the time.

What was wrong with what he said anyway? (Other than it being a bit inappropriate for the PM to call someone a "bigot", he was correct. She was (and I presume, still is) a bigot.

deadlydarcy - Member

Who does this? (What you need a list, look up there how many times has the word racist appeared in this thread?..")

homophobes if they criticise gays
Criticise gays for what? Being gay? Or shagging in the nice clean sheets of your Christian B&B, then suing you for complaining..

She was (and I presume, still is) a bigot. So how would you feel if your mum got called a bigot on National TV by the prime minister, lots of people are bigots according to the left. They don't think they are, they are just simple, or badly educated, or dare I even say it thick? Which as we have proved earlier on here is a crime which prevents you qualifying for a vote according to the super intelligencia lefties..

 

derekfish - Member

or dare I even say it thick? Which as we have proved earlier on here is a crime which prevents you qualifying for a vote

You claimed that earlier, I asked you when anyone had said that, you ignored it. Asking again.

Only in UKIPs case people are fed up having to mind their p's and q's for fear of whatever, political correctness, causing folk to be called racist if they question immigration, homophobes if they criticise gays, on top of all the other crap, i

I don't really give a shit about or feel obliged to defend the rights of and treat well, those who want to limit the freedom of other people such as homosexuals. You don't believe in freedom of any sort, what you prioritise is your prejudices and the only political concept you care for is mob rule. The only time you care about freedom is when it's your freedom to trample on the individual freedoms of others.

National TV by the prime minister, lots of people are bigots according to the left. They don't think they are, they are just simple, or badly educated, or dare I even say it thick?

Being thick and being bigoted is effectively the same thing seeing as they are so closely linked.

What you need a list, look up there how many times has the word racist appeared in this thread?

Please, if you must. Or can you not back up your assertion?

Or shagging in the nice clean sheets of your Christian B&B, then suing you for complaining..

You've just made this up. I'd reckon on this not being the first thing you've made up on the thread.

So how would you feel if your mum got called a bigot on National TV by the prime minister

Did you miss the bit where I said it was inappropriate? If my mum had said that to the Taoiseach, I'd tell her not to be such a bigoted woman. In fact, she says stuff like it all the time. Funnily enough, she reads the Irish Daily Mail. Lord knows, I love her dearly, but she is an old bigot at times, as are many of her generation. But she's old now and she's never going to change. It's funny really, because it was down to her that I'm such a leftie really.

Which as we have proved earlier on here is a crime which prevents you qualifying for a vote according to the super intelligencia leftys..

Look, I'm all up for sensible discussion, but if you're going to keep making stuff up like this, we're never going to get anywhere.

Northwind - Member
derekfish - Member
or dare I even say it thick? Which as we have proved earlier on here is a crime which prevents you qualifying for a vote

You claimed that earlier, I asked you when anyone had said that, you ignored it. Asking again.

It's all over the thread, being right wing means your thick, ergo we'd rather you didn't vote because your wrong, er because you're thick. You're thick because you disagree with us, we're intelligent you're not.

So if you don't want to appear thick, vote for us.. Standard leftie dogma.

Somebody back there called me thick or stupid or whatever even though i've explained my reasoning, but there is no reasoning with leftish dogma, never has been, they're beyond help, ask Michael Foot.

being right wing means your thick

Well, studies have shown it. Nothing we can do about that, except as a leftie, I'd ensure you were never left behind at school, and that you'd get a medal whatever your performance.

we'd rather you didn't vote because your wrong

Well, that'd be NW [i]and[/i] me asking you now. Where has someone said you shouldn't be able to vote because you're not intelligent? (apart from any piss-taking on the thread obvs)

So how would you feel if your mum got called a bigot on National TV by the prime minister

I would be rather embarrassed by her bigoted comments.

How would you feel about your mum having a bigoted rant at the prime minister on TV?

Standard leftie dogma.

I've heard lots of dogma over the years, from either side of the argument, but I've never heard this. Which is unusual, given that you say it's "standard". Are you making stuff up [i]again[/i]?

derekfish: I notice nobodies interviewing Muslims on their position re Gay Marriage for instance...

I read things like this, and then I have a look...

I found [url= http://www.newstatesman.com/mehdi-hasan/2013/05/muslim-i-struggle-idea-homosexuality-i-oppose-homophobia ]this article[/url] in New Statesman magazine, written by a muslim, where he writes about his views on homosexuality.

In that column, he mentions an article from in the Guardian. I found it: [url= http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/may/07/muslims-britain-france-germany-homosexuality ]Muslims in Britain have zero tolerance of homosexuality, says poll[/url].

So, a 'lefty' newspaper ran a fairly clearly headlined article on Muslim views on homosexuality.

I then searched the Guardian website for "gay muslim", which found a huge list of articles including "[url= http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2012/jan/16/derby-muslim-gay-hate-crime-charge ]Derby Muslim denies gay hate crime charge[/url]". A search for his name finds the articles about his trial and imprisonment.

So it turns out there's quite a lot in the mainstream media about Muslims and their position on gay marriage.

deadlydarcy - Member
Standard leftie dogma.
I've heard lots of dogma over the years, from either side of the argument, but I've never heard this. Which is unusual, given that you say it's "standard". Are you making stuff up again?

Don't do this because you'll appear to be that..

Lefties like nothing more than to reach for the intellectual high ground, they're very good at it, they're also very good at denigrating the right as thick, as you can see quite plainly above.

It's a marketing, spin technique, like the Jedi Mind trick, only a very few of us can resist it. 😉

miketually - Member
derekfish: I notice nobodies interviewing Muslims on their position re Gay Marriage for instance...
I read things like this, and then I have a look...

I found this article in New Statesman magazine, written by a muslim, where he writes about his views on homosexuality.

In that column, he mentions an article from in the Guardian. I found it: Muslims in Britain have zero tolerance of homosexuality, says poll.

So, a 'lefty' newspaper ran a fairly clearly headlined article on Muslim views on homosexuality.

I then searched the Guardian website for "gay muslim", which found a huge list of articles including "Derby Muslim denies gay hate crime charge". A search for his name finds the articles about his trial and imprisonment.

So it turns out there's quite a lot in the mainstream media about Muslims and their position on gay marriage.

Oh, politics not mentioned? I wonder what would have happened if they'd got the purple sign outside the mosque.

chewkw - Member
I wonder if individuals are able to express their own views anymore good or bad?

I am sure there are nutters in all the parties.

you are, just don't be surprised when you get called out for being an idiot.

So which political party were they linked to then?
Oh, politics not mentioned? I wonder what would have happened if they'd got the purple sign outside the mosque.

The main prominent Muslim politician I know off the top of my head is Baroness Warsi. Her views on gay marriage are reported in [url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10514629/Baroness-Warsis-concern-over-effect-of-gay-marriage-laws-on-religious-groups.html ]this article[/url] which also mentions remarks she made on the subject as a Conservative candidate in the 2005 general election.

Edit: articles from [url= http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2005/apr/27/uk.conservatives1 ]2005[/url] and [url= http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2007/07/11/homophobic-leaflet-used-again-by-tory-candidate/ ]2007[/url]

Edit2: And [url= http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/02/labour-and-lib-dem-mps-who-voted-against-gay-marriage-full-list ]here[/url]'s a list of Labour and Lib Dem MPs who voted against gay marriage, published on a major news magazine's website. I'm sure a bit of Googling would find some Muslim politicians having their views on gay marriage reported.

derekfish - Member

It's all over the thread, being right wing means your thick, ergo we'd rather you didn't vote because your wrong, er because you're thick.

That's not remotely what you claimed. You know, when you have to resort to making things up, your argument's probably not that good.

I'd rather uninformed people didn't vote tbh- no representation without information- I think if you're going to cast a vote you have a responsibility to know what you're voting for, this stuff's important. But that's a million miles from preventing people from voting, as you claimed.