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*walks in, spins around and back out.
So from what the boss was saying on the radio, it's not about UKIP at all, it's the kids' cultural and ethnic needs, and the social workers were telling porkies?
Are they now facing an interview without coffee and biscuits?
it cant be denied that they attract some xenophobic and or racist types
You can say that about any party though. I've worked in some fairly run down North East areas that are Labour strongholds. You really wouldn't want to be non-white with the attitudes I've seen there (and the attacks), and I'm pretty sure most weren't UKIP members...
I'm back in, but just to
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at this:
You pseudo-liberals
As an atheist i would not be the best for a [b]religious child[/b], this is not infringing my rights to hold views , it is serving the needs of the child which is what we should all be most concerned about as the lefty judge noted in their judgement
What on [i]earth[/i] do you mean by a [i]religious[/i] child? Religion is not an inherited characteristic, or a genetic trait, but a learned trait. You imply that it would be better to remove children from a white, atheist foster home and place them with a family of a similar ethnic background, but who hold religious or cultural beliefs that include female circumcision?
And that those children should be then brought up to believe that those beliefs are acceptable in the UK, because their country of origin continues to practice an abhorrent form of child abuse?
Not that these children have that background, they are European, but the principle is the same.
Children should be free to choose whatever faith they wish, when they're intellectually capable of making such a decision, and if these children are European Caucasian in origin, then there is no real, significant difference in cultural background, and in any case, anybody moving to another culture should adapt to that culture, to suggest otherwise is to be an advocate of ghettoisation.
If you move to France, Hungary, Norway or wherever, you learn to communicate in the local language, and follow, to an extent, local culture. A friend of mine, who married a German girl, moved there, and posts in English and German on Facebook, he's fitted into the German way of life, but still keeps his 'Englishness' when communicating with friends back home. That's as it should be, and what UKIP advocate.
There's a lot of backtracking going on at the council but however they try to dress it up, saying it was about the children's cultural and ethnic needs and not about UKIP membership is a false claim. Of course it's about the foster parents' UKIP membership. If it was simply about cultural and ethnic needs they wouldn't have placed the children with that family in the first place. Something has changed/new information has come to light that now makes social services think the foster careers are no longer in a position to meet these long term needs. That information is their UKIP support.
Again, what is it about UKIP support that makes yo unsuitable to meet any child's needs not least those that are foreign nationals?
The simple issue that should be debated here is that someone ****ed up in their understanding of what UKIP stands for. It is either ignorance, bigotry or prejudice.
That's the ball game, nothing else.
Bottom line.
Someone in a suit has screwed up, but been in a suit they'll do anything but admit they screwed up.
End of.
Now now Junky
No need, really no need for this. As ad-hominem as you accuse others.
What is disappointing is that the man in charge in Westminster has based his reaction on a media report before he had all the information. Very,very poor leadership and management.
Bottom line.Someone in a suit has screwed up, but been in a suit they'll do anything but admit they screwed up.
End of.
From the information in the public domain, way too early to tell
Joyce Thacker seems to have a [b]Common Purpose[/b] with some posters on here 😉
More background to the character here
http://rotherhampolitics.wordpress.com/2012/09/29/joyce-thackers-priority-find-the-whistle-blower/
Personally I think this decision is worth £250k plus pension contributions to her.
It is possible to be a member of an organisation* without supporting everything that they stand for to the letter.
*like a religion or political party.
Sound like a typical episode of Clare in the Community.
he's fitted into the German way of life, but still keeps his 'Englishness'
When you move somewhere else you go one way and the place you leave doesn't stand still either. The gap in values grows with time.
Edit: nothing on-topic to say BTW, I shouldn't have read beyond the first five posts but did. 😐
Just perhaps we should all fill in a form when we decide to have children what political party ,we may vote for or way we lean and if its UKIP, BNP, or conservatives, caththolic, gay we get refused children as we may well indoctorate them,into our way of life, and corrupt them in some way, and propogate the thought that we are doing ok.
But isnt that what all parents do, only in much latter life do the kids ,make up their own minds or folow their paerents brainwashing.
WHAT CHILDREN NEED IS A STABLE RELATIONSHIP FROM WHOEVER LOOKS AFTER THEM,SOMETHING THAT IS LACKING IN A FEW FAMILIES NOWADAYS AS IN THE PAST.
[i]What exactly is 'British culture'? Cos I haven't got a clue what parties like UKIP and BNP supposed to be defending.[/i]
It might be in a history book somewhere but it's now so diluted you won't notice it.
I'll be voting UKIP cos Nigel Farage does a bit of sea fishing like me. Whereas I can't think of a single reason to vote for any of the other cranks who claim to have the best interests of the UK at heart.
I'm married to a former child protection worker who now trains the next lot of child protection workers, and I have to make the very important point that NONE OF THEM WEAR A SUIT
Sound like a typical episode of Clare in the Community.
My thoughts exactly.
Social Services say they need more foster carers yet the way they operate it makes foster carers feel the need to finish with it all.
It's still great to see a child bond and finally go with there adoptive parents though. Even though you do become very attached. 🙂
What exactly is 'British culture'? Cos I haven't got a clue what parties like UKIP and BNP supposed to be defending.It might be in a history book somewhere but it's now so diluted you won't notice it.
Thing is, thats the very nature of British culture, its something that accepts and adopts people and new influences from the people who come to it, and both end up richer for it, it has and always will be a moving goal, and has been since time immemorial as the saxons, then the vikings, then the romans came here, just like the jamaicans and indians and chinese and jews and everyone else.
What 'British culture' has never been about is the ghettoisation of immigrants with their own cultures and laws, rather than absorbtion and acceptance into the population at large.
The Socialist dinosaurs in the halls of Rotherham should take note that people of all backgrounds and political affiliations can see through their reasoning to remove these children from a safe and loving environment. People like Thacker won't change of course, their lives are wrapped up and invested in the dogmatic pursuit of a fractured and divisive but culturally sensitive society, without any common goals - these are the same people who sat in their office for years and deliberately turned a blind eye to widespread child abuse by gangs of asian men in the interest of protecting their multicultural nirvana, they have no interest in the welfare of these kids, just staying on the gravy train and covering their arses.
This was just about exposure to risk and arse covering. ATEOTD these are the people who are going to be in the shit if something goes wrong, so they have to be careful. Can't blame them for that I suppose. As long as the kids have another good home to go into, that's all that matters really.
The Socialist dinosaurs in the halls of Rotherham should take note that people of all backgrounds and political affiliations can see through their reasoning to remove these children from a safe and loving environment. People like Thacker won't change of course, their lives are wrapped up and invested in the dogmatic pursuit of a fractured and divisive but culturally sensitive society, [s]without any common goals[/s][b]with a "Common Purpose"[/b] - these are the same people who sat in their office for years and deliberately turned a blind eye to widespread child abuse by gangs of asian men in the interest of protecting their multicultural nirvana, they have no interest in the welfare of these kids, just staying on the gravy train and covering their arses.
suggested ammendment
you to can join in with the Common Purpose http://www.commonpurpose.org.uk/
or if you are a swivel eyed right wing loon 😉
Z11 you are just as guilty of fabricating some sort of little englander nirvana where all immigrants turned up on these shores and immediately started speaking the queens and ensured that tea and cucumber sandwhiches where served at 3-30 prompt every day.
and yet that all ended with this thackery woman??
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polsih people coming here and leaving their kids to sponge off the state?
we all know thats the standard ukip rant that gets this small but very vocal section of society fired up on a daily basis
(well that and something about the eu human rights law destroying our way of life)
I can see why it might be a cause for concern for social workers, even if ultimately they seem to have made the wrong call here.
[i]I'm married to a former child protection worker who now trains the next lot of child protection workers, and I have to make the very important point that NONE OF THEM WEAR A SUIT [/i]
Ms Thacker does...
The reason I said 'suit' was to indicate that this was a decision made further up the hierachy.
[i]Thing is, thats the very nature of British culture, its something that accepts and adopts people and new influences from the people who come to it, and both end up richer for it, it has and always will be a moving goal, and has been since time immemorial as the saxons, then the vikings, then the romans came here, just like the jamaicans and indians and chinese and jews and everyone else.
What 'British culture' has never been about is the ghettoisation of immigrants with their own cultures and laws, rather than absorbtion and acceptance into the population at large.[/i]
What, so the people of Britain just accepted the Saxons, Vikings & Romans? Bit confused like cos I always thought they came over raping & pillaging. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
Wev'e since been invaded a fair bit just without actually being at war, but I'm sure someone will say It's just other countries getting their own back after years of Imperialism.
What 'British culture' has never been about is the ghettoisation of immigrants with their own cultures and laws, rather than absorbtion and acceptance into the population at large.
Having lived in Leicester and worked as a secondary teacher there I beg to differ. I'd post class photos as proof but suspect that would be illegal. This will have to do:
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That map brings back memories.
Edukator, in the 90's my wife used to live about where the "A" in 'Belgrave' is, and she and her then boyfriend were the only white faces in her street. Nice friendly enough neighbours, and most of the shops would be open on Christmas Day. 😀 However in those days a white girl walking through Highfields was usually mistakenly assumed to be a prostitute as why else would she be there?
But don't let bitter lefties like us tell you about ghettiosiation.
I had a white girl in one of my classes, she was indeed a prostitute.
So your example to disprove my point is one that thoroughly emanates from after the 'multiculturalism' industry began? fantastic!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2004/may/28/equality.raceintheuk
When did the 'multiculturalism' industry begin in your opinion, Zulu? Oh and what is it? I've never heard of the 'multiculturalism' industry and the only Google results I get for "multiculturalism industry" are Canadian and Australian.
Considering migration history, the multiculturalism industry probably began several thousand years ago. Whatever it is.
You can't take one demographic map from one town and say that it proves multiculturalism results in polarised/"ghettoised" communities (that second word is an awful one to be using in a discussion like this anyway, by the way).
My bit of Reading is thoroughly multicultural and it works just fine, thanks.
You can't take one demographic map from one town and say that it proves multiculturalism results in polarised/"ghettoised" communities
Ah, but you can on STW
Ah, but you can on STW
Indeed. How many of the people so wise about multicultural communities actually live in one?
Sorry, shouldn't that read, how many people [b]do not live[/b] in a multicultural community?
The UK is one of the more mutlicultural societies that I have experienced supporting a wide range of cultures, races, religions, political persuasions, languages and dialects, traditions etc. Many of these have been bought into the UK over the centuries as we have been invaded and colonised by many nations as well as doing the same to others. Of course, it is very convenient for some to portray the UK as intolerant and Uni-cultural even thought that is a gross distortion of the truth.
Those who portray many parts of the establishment and society as being institutionally racist need to travel a bit to learn some perspective IMO.
My bit of Reading is thoroughly multicultural and it works just fine, thanks
I visited Reading in the Summer and understand why you don't see there's a problem. I also visited Birmingham and Leicester. I visited the poorest district of a city in the UK which just happens to be 90 odd percent immigrant occupied. What politically correct but misleading word do you want me to use to describe the place?
Even that Guardian article Zulu linked recognises that the city under-invests in the district and is being prosecuted for it.
So they manage to overlook years of systematic abuse by asians gangs but can spot and act at the outrage of the people voting.
Looks and smells like racism to me.
UKIP can't possibly be racist: here is Michael Fabricant on telly this morning suggesting a pact with them swapping non-competition on key seats for a referendum if/when they win next time. [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20496161 ][/url]
...and Farrage has been interviewed today saying the Conservative party would be better off ditching Cameron and getting a strong and capable leader such a Michael Gove.
This gets better and better. 😀
the Conservative party would be better off ditching Cameron and getting a strong and capable leader such a Michael Gove.
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To be fair, Gove is the perfect attack dog on this issue - the one person the lefties can't attack in any way the motives of when it comes to kids in care!
IanW - Member
Looks and smells like racism to me.
Ian, are you suggesting that racism is a multi-linear/lateral concept?
edit: Z11 - is that because its easy to attack people due to their appearances (as above)? Ironical I know!
well, indeed THM! However the fact that he was adopted as a child by a Labour supporting family pretty much paints [i]common purpose[/i] into a corner...
I'm convinced Michael Gove is actually an ongoing military experiment, to see if its possible to kill large groups of people by literally patronising them to death. It maybe hasn't worked yet, but he's dangerously close to perfecting his technique
No he is suggesting the white folk were racist to the white folk.
Its terrible being the persecuted majority who are persecuted by your own folk due to institutional racism or some such PC gone mad reason.
This threasd is hilarious who knew it was more fun to just let the right winger froth and post to their hearts content unchallenged. Some pure gems here and some humongous leaps of [ and i use the terms in as loose as is possible]logic.
I liked the person accusing me of supporting female circumscion because I said an religious child may be better brought up be a person of that religion than an aethist
Its frothing fallacy central on here.
oh please let the torrys have michael gove for a leader
the man is utterly bereft of original ideas and has far less charisma than his puppet look-a-like
Junkyard - Member
No he is suggesting the white folk were racist to the white folk.
Ok, we obviously read it differently! 😉
This threasd is hilarious ...froth....Its frothing fallacy central on here.
True, but IN THIS CASE, that is certainly a multi-linear/lateral accusation that sticks!! 😉
I'm convinced Michael Gove is actually an ongoing military experiment, to see if its possible to kill large groups of people by literally patronising them to death.
To be fair to him, teamhurtmore tries his best to compete with Gove on this front.
One doesn't [i]need[/i] to attack Gove for his appearance. He leaves plenty of ammo all over the place.
DD - quality post (in so many ways).
thm, I may have left out a 😉
(I think you took it how it was meant)
In the absence of the smiley, I took it a "face" value (excuse the bad pun)!
I thought everyone was out?
I'm convinced Michael Gove is actually an ongoing military experiment, to see if its possible to kill large groups of people by literally patronising them to death. It maybe hasn't worked yet, but he's dangerously close to perfecting his technique
I actually started laughing out loud in a room full of meeting type people...it was quiet too
I dont know the colour of the social workers.
They do appear to have a strange priorities which could just be incompetence(as previously shown ) but seems more likely to be the result of someone high up spouting the sort of guff you are well known for.
Either way the results are pretty poor.
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Oi you lot, if your not careful this thread won't descend into hostile bickering. Pull your socks up and get back on track.
I'm convinced Michael Gove is actually an ongoing military experiment, to see if its possible to kill large groups of people by literally patronising them to death. It maybe hasn't worked yet, but he's dangerously close to perfecting his technique
Post of the week
I'm convinced Michael Gove is actually an ongoing military experiment, to see if its possible to kill large groups of people by literally patronising them to death. It maybe hasn't worked yet, but he's dangerously close to perfecting his technique
Well if he is it's not a particularly demanding experiment given the level of intelligence demonstrated by the people most likely to be offended.
See its genius like that attack that should be encouraged on this thread
I dont like left wing folk they are all thick - its a great point well made as the genius of the right is shining through on here. Little but insults of late from
The right wing are proper frothy today - is the full moon coming or something 😉
I dont know the colour of the social workers.
Well her picture is in the reports her name is mentioned on so you could off course have read up on the issue before sounding off.
They do appear to have a strange priorities which could just be incompetence(as previously shown ) but seems more likely to be the result of someone high up spouting the sort of guff you are well known for.
What rational, well argued and based on sound reasoning and a graps of the facts as opposed to your hostile frothing based on not actually bothering to read up on the subject.
Lets hope so eh 😉
One for the Binnerstshirts for sure
Took a few edits to get that one nailed..
Presumably she's not the only social worker in the area and your views are based on a deeper understanding of course.
Mr Gove does indeed have some competition around here.
Gove and farrage as PM/deputy. That just sounds like a match made in heaven.
In reality I think Farrage is more of an 'operator' than he would have us think, and after a walk to the shops and back, I now wonder if his comment about Gove as party leader was meant by him to be as funnny as it sounded. 😀
Took a few edits to get that one nailed..
I edited to reply to gt and removed my inevitable typos as well
Presumably she's not the only social worker in the area and your views are based on a deeper understanding of course.
So you dont know who you accused of raciusm when you accused them then...brilliant
Mr Gove does indeed have some competition around here.
Oh dont be silly now your not as big a **** as him [and i am nowhwere near as smug] 😉
Have you considered a fact based approach to debate rather than this?
and i am nowhwere near as smug
I suppose Gove has got good reason to be smug really - started off with nothing, adopted by a loving (Labour voting) family, scholarship to good school based on aptitude, risen to the highest echelon of government on merit - pretty much everything that the left would tell us was impossible really, no wonder you hate him, he's a class traitor, rather than wallow in what he didn't have, he made something of himself.
whereas you're stuck here blaming everyone else in society for you being a failure 😉
I suppose Gove has got good reason to be smug really
Fair play to him, but insisting on adding his own chapter into The Bible could potentially be misconstrued as arrogance
I often wonder who gave him the idea that homophobic literature being allowed into schools would be ok.
So, despite being brought up by nice lefties, it seems he was just born the **** that he is.
Small win for nature over nurture it seems.
I dont like left wing folk they are all thick - its a great point well made as the genius of the right is shining through on here.
I think the extremes of both sides show the same problem; their judgement and insight are clouded by their extremes of political ideology.
The extremes of both the right and the left are equally guilty of this.
Witness the far left removing three children that were thriving in foster care because some imbecile reckoned that UKIP is a racist party, and on the far right, well, we really don't need to look too far for evidence of imbecilic behaviour there do we. Where should we start there is so much to chose from.
The whole point of this thread was that the decision that was made has been criticised from all sides of the political spectrum, even Labour have said it was very worrying and needed to be investigated urgently.
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Witness the far left removing three children that were thriving in foster care because some imbecile reckoned that UKIP is a racist party,
Do we know that the social workers in question are left wing or is this just an assumption?
Small win for nature over nurture it seems.
Hard wired for idiocy
a right wing social worker , that is some one who leaflets for the BNP/EDL
Do we know that the social workers in question are left wing or is this just an assumption?
Total assumption but probably a reasonable one to make 😀
Regardless, it's the ideology that drove the decision making that is left wing.
geetee1972 - MemberWitness the far left removing three children
They were abducted by the CPGB? I suppose that's one way to increase membership.
I'm unconvinced that this [i]has[/i] to be an idealogy/handwringing thing- it seems just as likely to be a risk aversion thing. And also just as likely to be a "we don't have the full story" thing
Over the last few years there's been a few high profile cases where social services have taken a kicking for failing to act. The perception in my ex's department now is that it's better to act, wrongly than it is to not act, wrongly. Nobody wants to be the next Haringey.
That's not driven by them all being lefty nutters, it's more driven by them not wanting to be on the front page of the Sun because they couldn't protect every kid in their ridiculously overfull casefules.
They were abducted by the CPGB? I suppose that's one way to increase membership.
The extreme of ideology as explained above.
Well David Cameron thinks UKIP are racists, is that because of his extreme left wing ideology?
And Z11 - doesn't it get boring now that most people don't even bother replying to your nasty trolling?
goves a joker
his first plan as education secretary
-scrap sports partnerships with schools and end ringfencing on PE funding
-and made it easier for schools to sell off sports fields
-his genius idea to improve gcses- bring back o-levels (straight from the 1950s) announced in the midst of gcse exams
-he also managed to **** up 45000 gcse english exams which had to be resat
-discarding rules on junk food in schools in the middle of an obesity crisis
-his amazing scheme to put a kjb in all schools where they can gather dust in libraries ignoring the already available kjb online (though sadly that version has no reference to the secretary of education himself) was a joke
-and he condemned privatisation and competition between exam boards while basing his(labours) entire academies programme on it
The whole point of this thread was that the decision that was made has been criticised from all sides of the political spectrum, even Labour have said it was very worrying and needed to be investigated urgently.
So who from the left of the political spectrum has been criticising it?
aracer - MemberSo who from the left of the political spectrum has been criticising it?
shirley red eds as left as you can get?
Yes but kimbers be fair to aracer, he (Ed) probably doesn't mean it. He is more likely aware that their just happens to be a parliamentary by-election coming up and his candidate is in trouble from all sides (include many in the Labour Party).
Mmm, second thoughts that is a bit cynical - perhaps he really does mean to criticise the decision.
goves a joker
shame he's not funny, trouble with idiots like him is the damage they do. that takes a lot of trouble (and money) to put right.
i dont think you can be too cynical where politicians are concerned thm
Witness the far left removing three children that were thriving in foster care because some imbecile reckoned that UKIP is a racist party,
FFS how many time will you repeat this lie and claim that it was done by lefties- You have passed from diatribe into lies now. Please just stop or show me where the socila workers have said this - I aceept the UKIP supporter may be so stupid they misunderstood what was said to them [ or did not listen or chose to ignore it which seems to be a right wing trait] but it has been explained to you over and over again what the REAL reason was and racism was not ever apart of it.
So dedicated to attacking lefties that you dont even care if you get the facts rights or whether you can even prove they are lefties.
it's the ideology that drove the decision making that is left wing.
In reality its is your own ideology that makes you see this as a left wing things despite the repeated explanations.
it's the ideology that drove the decision making that is left wing
can we just get one thing straight. being left wing is determined by your opinions on who owns the means of production, the distribution of wealth and the burden of tax.
how would that ideology drive this decision in any way shape or form ?
i'll answer that for you. it doesn't.
i'm so out, i'm louis spence.