[Closed] UK union is dependent on EU exit. Discuss.

Or if we leave the Eurostar and it hurts the Scottish economy they may want to leave the UK even more.

fr0sty125 - Member

Or if we leave the Eurostar and it hurts the Scottish economy they may want to leave the UK even more.

What can they do? Hijack EU, rob EU, hold EU to ransom? Do they want to be the "Greek" of the North? Are they willing to beg EU for money like a beggar in EU?

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Hey OP! You know this is a mountain biking forum, YA?

[quote=wallop ]Hey OP! You know this is a mountain biking forum, YA?
This is the Chat forum

not sure if someone has already mentioned this but if yes then mods please exterminate this thread

I very much doubt that anyone has asked the question.

What is the question ?

scotroutes - Member

wallop » Hey OP! You know this is a mountain biking forum, YA?

This is the Chat forum

<<< Mountain Bike forum the other side.

Loook at theeee tabbbb abbbooveeee ...

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ernie_lynch - Member

not sure if someone has already mentioned this but if yes then mods please exterminate this thread

I very much doubt that anyone has asked the question.

What is the question ?

Scotland will Never achieve independent if UK is out of EU is that true is my question?

Ah yes.

Is your question true is your question ?

I've really no idea

Can we get Han Solo in to translate Chewy's post into english?

No its not. End. Phew.

ernie_lynch - Member

Ah yes.

Is your question true is your question ?

So it is true that Scotland cannot achieve independence from UK if UK is out of EU? Right?

Question for Ernie ... do you want Scotland to be an independent country? 😆

I know it's the chat forum, but he never seems to post [i]anything[/i] about mountain biking. Just seems odd, that's all.

No I don't think your question is true.

[quote=wallop ]I know it's the chat forum, but he never seems to post anything about mountain biking. Just seems odd, that's all.He's not alone in that though

This is a mountain biking forum?

wallop - Member

I know it's the chat forum, but he never seems to post anything about mountain biking. Just seems odd, that's all.

I used to but once I got my Rohloff hub everything stops ... Rohloff is the king of the hubs. Do you have one hmmmmm? 😆

bencooper - Member

This is a mountain biking forum?

Freedom might be in jeopardy if Scotland cannot achieve financial independence ... 🙁

This is a mountain biking forum?

Mrs S says the SNP want to end Scottish austerity and increase Scottish spending. Something isn't quite right here.

He's not alone in that though

Indeed. There are some very earnest members of this parish who don't seem to comment on anything that isn't about politics.

What tyres for a civil war, eh?

Minions?

thegreatape - Member

Mrs S says the SNP want to end Scottish austerity and increase Scottish spending. Something isn't quite right here.

Yeap. They more they spend the more they are chained to UK if they do not use the money wisely.

The way I see it they cannot borrow money to gain independence as it is like borrowing money from the bank to open a new bank to compete with the lenders.

Yes, ending austerity means they will forever be part of UK.

CaptainFlashheart - Member

He's not alone in that though

Indeed. There are some very earnest members of this parish who don't seem to comment on anything that isn't about politics.

What tyres for a civil war, eh?

Nahhh ... I stopped looking at bike frames once they started introducing those bendy seat tube and bendy lower frame tube to accommodate 29ers' wheel ...

As for tyres unless they are puncture free ...

I am in agreement with Ernie

No I don't think you're question is true

No it's not.End.

Tyres for a civil war I'd be going for fat anyway.

Can I just put it on record that I meant the EU not the Eurostar.... Still getting used to my new phone...

Personally I preferred the 'leaving Eurostar' version/answer, it somehow seemed to fit in better with the general tone of this thread.

Mrs S says the SNP want to end Scottish austerity and increase Scottish spending. Something isn't quite right here.

Well you couldn't increase spending whilst still maintaining austerity, something [i]definitely[/i] wouldn't be right if you tried that.

I think that the OP is correct

If the UK goes it alone then if Scotland leaves it certainly wouldn't be in the EU. Which would be tougher than leaving and being in the EU

I like Scotland and its people but I don't think devo max is sustainable if it envolves the per head spend in Scotland being so far ahead of the rest of the UK

I did ride my bike on Sunday

Should the UK leave the EU, Scotland will have already voted for independence. Scotland will be fine and dandy by itself in or out of the EU.

By the looks of things ...

Pro-EU (join EU totally) = essentially will lead to Scotland gaining independence if EU start pumping in money to encourage Scotland independence. The devil is smiling ...

Anti-EU (exit or sitting on the fence) = essentially means the Union is intact.

Therefore, if UK is fragmented into smaller nations that will only mean one thing - lambs push into lion cage ... dinner time! Nom! Nom! Nom!

The larger EU nations will call the shots and smaller "UK nations" will have to bow and say yes ... if larger EU nations say jump then smaller UK nations will have to say how high.

The conclusion is simple if UK want to be significant in world stage then joining EU totally is not the answer. Exit EU as a Union and stand a chance to fight another day ...

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Would the English vote be swayed by a pronouncement from holyrood. Would they vote to stay in and keep the union. Or would they vote out and be happy breaking the union. Would they be swayed by farage et al. Would the funds they send to Europe be redistributed through out the union fairly?

onehundredthidiot - Member

Would the English vote be swayed by a pronouncement from holyrood. Would they vote to stay in and keep the union. Or would they vote out and be happy breaking the union. Would they be swayed by farage et al. Would the funds they send to Europe be redistributed through out the union fairly?

It does not make any sense whether Farage is involved or not as the choice is simple.

1. Keep the Union then UK need to stay out of EU.
Or
2. Not to keep the Union then join EU and be the lamb(s) to Lion's den.

The EU will sense the weakest link in UK so will try to encourage that but they know doing so will mean they will have their ways with UK ... gang banging UK as they wish.

It is not up to the Scottish to go ape shite whatever if UK is to exit EU. They might not like it but they are tied to UK financially unless within the next 2 years they are able to rebuild Scotland into a financial superpower.

If left-thinkers/Pro-EU keep banging on about joining EU totally then they will be the one going into history as the ones breaking up the Union Not the "right-wing" thinkers/Euro skeptics.

Therefore, until this is being sorted out I cannot foresee a left wing govt in power for many generations to come. Unless they want to be condemned to history as the one breaking up the Union which means they will never be forgiven for a long time. Essentially spelling the "death" of left ideology.

they will have the ways of UK ... gang banging UK as they wish.

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Yes it does matter, garage got how many votes? And the conservatives? That's a good number of euro sceptics.

I don't understand how eu membership affects uk union.

I've not seen anything to indicate full membership is on the cards.

Not so ninja edit there. Didn't add to the coherence of your argument though.

Should the UK leave the EU, Scotland will have already voted for independence.

How's that then? The EU referendum is mooted for next year. Should there be an Out result do you really think think a fresh Independence poll will be arranged before we leave the EU?

If UK were to join EU fully does that mean Scotland will have an easy ride to independence?

it wouldn't really be independence anyway, just swapping one big group for another.
Personally, I care about the UK staying together because it's a big old bunch of people doing something together, and something we've been doing for a lot of time. To me the next logical step is the EU where nationalism would mean even less and more people would come together. Roll on world government.

onehundredthidiot - Member
Yes it does matter, garage got how many votes? And the conservatives? That's a good number of euro sceptics.

Not good enough if the younger generations are brain washed into thinking the world of EU is a hunky dory club to be in.

I don't understand how eu membership affects uk union.

The Union will be pressured into "respecting" smaller nation(s) ... giving independence etc ...

I've not seen anything to indicate full membership is on the cards.

The left-thinker will table that conditions for full EU membership if they are desperate to differentiate themselves from the current govt.

Should the UK leave the EU, Scotland will have already voted for independence.

Irrelevant. Scotland can shout, yell go ape shite whatever and be as independent as they want within the "federation" they are still part of UK. In fact this is a better option to be part of the "federation of UK" coz that will give them generations to grow.

How's that then? The EU referendum is mooted for next year. Should there be an Out result do you really think think a fresh Independence poll will be arranged before we leave the EU?

I would bet my house on it.

I can't believe we are the only country with eurosceptics. Having bailed out much of Europe I should imagine some of ze Germans have had enough.

zippykona - Member
I can't believe we are the only country with eurosceptics. Having bailed out much of Europe I should imagine some of ze Germans have had enough.

Ze Germans are used to it because of the nature of their "machined" mentality. They are perfectly suited to gain the maximum advantage out of the system.

You obviously don't think that Germany has benefited hugely from the Euro/EU zippykona. Some might beg to differ.

I can't believe we are the only country with eurosceptics. Having bailed out much of Europe I should imagine some of ze Germans have had enough.

Look at their balance of trade figures

I don't often agree with wanmankylung, but on this I cuncur. I just hope there are not people hoping for an out answer just so this can happen.

athgray - Member
I don't often agree with wanmankylung, but on this I cuncur. I just hope there are not people hoping for an out answer just so this can happen.

There is only the prolonging of the inevitable that is out of EU in order to preserve the Union, so it's either out of EU or out of the Union.

You can't have it all coz that will not happen because UK is pressured from both end.

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Does this make more sense if you read it backwards?
Is it just the selected highlights from the EU/SNP/FREEDOM threads?

Is it just the selected highlights from the EU/SNP/FREEDOM threads?

Not really, apart from one reference in the first post there's been no other references to ZMs.

There's been no references to anal-probing either, although there was one to gang-banging.

And there's been entire posts without a single emoticon.

On the whole a bit of a disappointment imo.

Specifically on your original point, no it makes no difference. Scotland would have had to join the EU fresh if it had voted for independence in 2014. This was a point of much contention on the referendum thread but that's my view.

If the UK does vote to leave the EU this will put the SNP/Scotland in a bind as they cannot force independence and the UK would leave the EU taking Scotland with it. As for having to build the financial infrastructure it's my view (again contentious) that Scotland would have had to do this anyway if it had voted yes, Scotland would have needed such infrastructure and it would have needed to join the euro.

I would bet my house on it.