Labour could have seen IDS out on his arse too if not for the stupidity of Faiza Shaheen deciding to run
Surely Labour could have seen IDS off if it hadn't been for the stupidity of the control freaks at Labour headquarters?
The Lord Ashcroft polling is out, which gives us the best idea of the demographic breakdown of voters.
If you've seen these before you'll know it really hammers home how reliant the Tories always are on the pensioner vote.
Unsurprisingly this year they've been annihilated among the under 65's, but still won among the over 65's.
I wonder if the old adage that people drift to the right as they age will remain true for gen's x and y, having just spent 14 years witnessing first hand the joys of a Tory government?
Reform voters also generally older and from the lower socioeconomic classes.
Lots of other insight:
https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2024/07/how-britain-voted-and-why-my-post-vote-poll/
Interesting that these are all constituencies where there is another protest/anti-establishment candidate ie SNP, Corbyn, Green, Abbot.
The Greens aren't a protest vote in Bristol. They are the party that represent what we want. They have already had a good showing in previous elections and have a majority in the council.
I'd say the thing those places have in common is that they are nice places to live. Maybe in a cool/ hipster way. Also all areas that have been a bit run down but are now gentrified
Would being able to vote online eg Facebook be a more modern , demographic friendly way to get more votes and better spread than the current system.
I voted in person and felt like being questioned by border control. Even before getting in . Do you have your id ?. Can I see your id ? Can you please confirm your address. Etc
No wonder people don't bother
If you’ve seen these before you’ll know it really hammers home how reliant the Tories always are on the pensioner vote.
Unsurprisingly this year they’ve been annihilated among the under 65’s, but still won among the over 65’s.
I wonder if the old adage that people drift to the right as they age will remain true for gen’s x and y, having just spent 14 years witnessing first hand the joys of a Tory government?
Not with me they ‘king didn’t! Speaking as someone who’s 70 in three weeks.
The Green candidate Carla Denyer was officially endorsed by ‘The Muslim Vote’.
She was popular from her time as a city councillor, had a thumping majority, and the constituency includes the more affluent and less diverse parts of Bristol. I very much doubt that the endorsement was a significant factor in her victory.
Would being able to vote online eg Facebook be a more modern , demographic friendly way to get more votes and better spread than the current system.
The hassle of setting up a secure system would be far more cumbersome than the current system. Good for Russia, sorry, Reform though.
I voted in person and felt like being questioned by border control. Even before getting in
Outside it is more likely to be party activists who check off the people who vote against the list of people who said they were going to vote for their party so they can go and knock on the doors of those who havent.
Although guess if it was looking busy someone official might be asking about ids to save you wasting time.
I cant say it was overly onerous. One person just inside the room asking for street so she could send me to the right set of desks. Then street name and number plus name. Finally a quick wave of the driving licence.
It would be nice if the id would get dropped since it was just an attempt at voter suppression but not really border control.
Taking back control of our polling booths?
Characterising the SNP as a 'protest vote' seems somewhat simplistic, if not downright wrong; they're the party in power at Holyrood. They've just had a hell of a drubbing in the Westminster election, which I suspect is, to some extent, a massive warning shot fired over their bows for the Holyrood elections in 2026. If their leadership, and membership, can take that on board and focus their minds on the 'day job', they might be able to stave off some of the kicking that might otherwise come in 2 years time. In any event, I'd imagine that the most likely outcome will be a return to some form of coalition government at Holyrood, made up of some combination of parties that isn't Labour / SNP. As a Scottish voter, I'm disenchanted with the SNP's performance of late, but not inclined to forget that it was Scottish Labour's dicking about, motivated by their implacable hatred of the SNP, that effectively delivered us the shambles of a Brexit settlement we ended up with.
Put a cap gains tax on every house sold regardless of if moving home. House prices will stabilise at around their current level and will increase only inline with inflation. The tax will stop rampant growth and will mostly fade away over time eventually becoming something similar to stamp duty.
would be nice if the id would get dropped since it was just an attempt at voter suppression
I was at the polling station for all of about 3 minutes and saw someone turned away. She didn't drive, didn't have a bus pass and her passport was off for renewal. She was in her work* uniform and tried to use her work ID but obviously wasn't allowed.
*Quasi/ex-public sector, probably one of the biggest organisations in the country.
I voted in person and felt like being questioned by border control. Even before getting in
My experience was very different, although to be fair I had my driving licence card and polling letter out before I got to the desk, I was in and out in probably less than 1 min, like a voting ninja!
I may have given the box a little slap as I put my slip in, and quietly uttered 'eff the tories' as I did a quick pirouette and high-tailed it out of there!
This is magical thinking. It will never become unimportant that the UK and French governments allow organised crime groups to land 400 people a week without controls. It will never be sensible for the solution to low paid, low productivity jobs being enabling employers to do more of the same through more immigration. It will never be possible to build our way out of a housing crisis if the population is growing half a million per annum.
It is not magical thinking. Many of the problems are financial and money will solve them, be that NHS, social care or a lawful and timely means to have an asylum application considered. If it is made possible to get here lawfully then the boats get stopped or had you forgotten that the last shower removed all means of being considered for entry?
From Lord Ashcroft's article:
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So the 55-64 and 65+ demographics both voted for the Tories more than the average result. 55-64 includes older GenX, so it might not be just the Boomers who like to vote for them. Every younger demographic voted more for Labour than the average, but that was particularly pronounced amongst 25-44 year olds. The Green vote was definitely at its highest amongst the young and dropped off quite a lot with age. I wonder how much that's to do with the young being more environmentally minded and how much it's due to youthful idealism, compared to more jaded and possibly more tactical older voters?
Classwise, the ABs, C1s and C2s all voted Tory as much as or more than the average, only the DEs votes for them less than the average, which isn't quite what some comments on here sometimes imply was expected by some. Even when you group the Tory and Reform votes together their voteshare amongst C2s was higher than it was with the DEs and C1s were similar. ABs voted for Reform the least but were more likely to vote for the Tories than the average.
Labour could have seen IDS out on his arse too if not for the stupidity of Faiza Shaheen deciding to run as an independent instead of swallowing her pride after being axed by Labour for her agreement with anti-semitic comments. Because as a result she gifted the seat to the right wing. Just self-promotion on her part, putting herself over the needs of the poor in the constituency.
Well that didn't take long for the sore winners to come out.
I sympathise with the need to have voter ID and the impact that has on some people / sections of society. My passport's out of date (2021!! ran out in Covid and I've not needed it since) and I had a mild panic last week about what if I couldn't find or lost my DL, so I applied for a free, simple online form, voter registration. Again, not totally easy as you need internet, to be able to take a photo, and so on but if you do have that then it was a 3 minute job and it dropped though the door a couple of days later.
Anyway - apologies if already done, there's been a lot of traffic today and I can't trawl all the way but tweet of the day for me is Tim Farron:
We have recalled Agent Truss from the field, her work is complete.
We have recalled Agent Truss from the field, her work is complete.
Code name: Cheese Dream is ever vigilant thought and when the country needs her again... she will not be found lacking.
I thought Tim Farron was raptured years ago. Nice to see him back doing God's work.
Labour could have seen IDS out on his arse too if not for the stupidity of Faiza Shaheen deciding to run as an independent instead of swallowing her pride after being axed by Labour for her agreement with anti-semitic comments. Because as a result she gifted the seat to the right wing. Just self-promotion on her part, putting herself over the needs of the poor in the constituency.
Well that didn’t take long for the sore winners to come out.
I imagine Netanyahu will be rubbing his grubby little fingers together with a committed zionist in #10, I wonder what starmers views on the expansion of settlements will be, if he has any views that is.
Code name: Cheese Dream is ever vigilant thought and when the country needs her again… she will not be found lacking.
In the meantime she is getting a nice sculpture as a thank you.
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Incredibly life like.
We have recalled Agent Truss from the field, her work is complete.
Didn't make sense until I remember she started as a Lib Dem - Brilliant!
His constituency speech I thought was very impressive too.
I feel it captures her prodigious intellect somehow.
I could lose myself in those eyes. Haunting.
It's a mistake, made by politicians as well as some on here, to dismiss the Gaza issue as 'the Muslim vote'. Ceasefire protests have a diverse support and to fail to recognize that could be costly to supporters of the genocide as the election has shown.
She was popular from her time as a city councillor, had a thumping majority, and the constituency includes the more affluent and less diverse parts of Bristol.
I don't doubt that but I was specifically pointing out that the Muslim Vote had endorse her and that the Green Party's pro-Palestine position is well established, so Daz's comment concerning pro-Palestine candidates winning seats was valid, even if she is Green Party member rather than an independent.
Although I will concede that Daz probably overemphasized the point because as you point out other factors also came to play.
Edit : In the Croydon constituencies with high Muslim populations the Labour vote fell fairly significantly and the Green vote increased quite significantly. In these areas the Muslim Vote officially endorsed the Green Party candidates. So whilst it won't have been the only factor it undoubtedly was one factor.
andylaightscat
Free Member
surely Truss’s code name is ‘pork market’?
That's her NATO code name.
Anyone following the No.10 Twitter feed - he’s actually putting people in cabinet jobs who have actual experience in their field!!
PCA. SNP are the establishment
It’s a mistake, made by politicians as well as some on here, to dismiss the Gaza issue as ‘the Muslim vote’. Ceasefire protests have a diverse support and to fail to recognize that could be costly to supporters of the genocide as the election has shown.
I’m sure there were quite a few people whose vote was influenced by the Gaza situation, however the stats show that the Labour vote was depressed in areas which there were significant Muslim populations. Those areas where independents won (apart from Corbyn) correlated with large numbers of Muslims.
Interesting (and good) appointment as Minister of State for Prisons, Parole and Probation. James Timpson will become Lord Timpson so he can attend meetings and cabinet.
And Patrick Vallance will be science minister.
Picking people with genuine experience in the areas and enabling them to contribute rather than positions for mates and those that will further your own political needs.
still a sizeable number of voters who haven’t had quite enough of that nonsense.
To you, Reform and this Tory govt might be the same, but to a great many people a vote for Reform is a vote for change.
Not with me they ‘king didn’t! Speaking as someone who’s 70 in three weeks.
Old fart
I voted in person and felt like being questioned by border control. Even before getting in . Do you have your id ?. Can I see your id ? Can you please confirm your address. Etc
No wonder people don’t bother
Totally dfferent to my experience. Staff were friendly, welcoming and helpful. Had a long chat about how they came to volunteer, how it worked etc. I was surprised that there were just two of them on from 0700 til 2200 without relief and without a break
I chanced my arm trying to use my veterans ID card, even though I was pretty sure it wasn't on the 'approved' list. It wasn't, they apologised and we agreed it was an oversight that needed fixing. Had my DL too so no issue. Pleasant and hassle free, I'd much rather that than electronic voting.
I voted in person and felt like being questioned by border control. Even before getting in . Do you have your id ?. Can I see your id ? Can you please confirm your address?
Sound like standard questions to me. What's the issue?
I’d imagine that the most likely outcome will be a return to some form of coalition government at Holyrood,
The way the maths and tribalism work I expect a labour tory unionist coalition. No other two parties who will work together get a majority. It willbe the end of labour in Scotland.
It’s a mistake, made by politicians as well as some on here, to dismiss the Gaza issue as ‘the Muslim vote’. Ceasefire protests have a diverse support and to fail to recognize that could be costly to supporters of the genocide as the election has shown
I can’t believe we’re even doing this again but here we are. Again. Pretty much every person with a shread of humanity in them knows what the Israelis are doing in Gaza is absolutely abhorrent
But while the US continues to arm them, despite them not giving a flying * what the US or anyone else thinks about their genocidal behaviour is absolutely academic
To vote against Labour, who have zero influence on this situation and who are hardly saying ‘crack on’ is like me boycotting Sky telly because United haven’t won the league in years
‘The Left’ do love shooting themselves in both feet though as years of St Jeremy proved. Seriously… Get a *ing grip!
Its like throwing your shoes at the sky to protest against the rain, then realising you’re stood in a **ing muddy puddle with no *ing shoes
It occurs to me that the Tories haven't really been a capable successful party since Thatcher. Major was weak of course then they were lost in the Blair years. Cameron didn't even win an overall majority and he led a coalition not a Tory govt. He did well for a year then Brexit burned everything to the ground. Johnson was popular but not a competent strong government. So in terms of election winning, yes, but not in terms of actually governing decently.
So that's what, 15 years out of the last 35 that we've had objectively incompetent government whichever side you support. That's the real problem for the UK.
I feel it captures her prodigious intellect somehow.
She has some strong 'bride of chucky' vibes.
I wonder if the old adage that people drift to the right as they age will remain true for gen’s x
Well, I'm gen-x, and I'm certainly more liberal and slightly more left wing than I was 20 years ago.
I couldn’t give a flying * about Magic Grandad
‘The Left’ do love shooting themselves in both feet though as years of St Jeremy proved. Seriously… Get a *ing grip!
For someone who doesn't care, you do seem to enjoy talking about him.
For someone who doesn’t care, you do seem to enjoy talking about him
Believe me, I really don’t care, particularly not today, but I just regularly marvel at the rank stupidity of ‘The Left’ and how they/you can’t even see how your idealogical purity and virtue signalling to each other achieves absolutely nothing
But I guess achieving or changing things isn’t really the point
You seem at your happiest when you’ve more stuff to rail against on Twitter. Middle class, self-righteous, sanctimonious self-indulgence
Crack on with your placard waving
Luckily the Labour Party is back in the hands of the grown ups and look what happened? Who’d have thunk it?
Luckily the Labour Party is back in the hands of the grown ups and look what happened? Who’d have thunk it?
And what is going to happen now they've won a massive majority?
Maybe we could look at the manifesto for some clues...
Interesting, Binners, that not long ago you wrote on here about nobody cares a damn about what's happening in the Middle East. Then you wrote endless diatribes against Corbyn then you say you don't give a shit about Corbyn. This Is all very enigmatic and I do think you might have benefitted from at least a litle 6th form education.
Believe me, I really don’t care
Absolutely. That's why you keep banging on about him and recycling your small stock of hilarious pictures. The very definition of an empty vessel.
Rwanda scheme is no more!
https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1809313761301524729?t=1a-z9N1c07ajnZrurRNo6w&s=19
@binners it's not about what they can and can't influence. It's about the message they send when they deselect committed members for things that aren't even mildly controversial.
The problematic historic tweets included one that congratulated an old colleague who had decided to stand as a Green councillor. Another was liking a tweet that called for a boycott of Israeli goods, during the 2014 Gaza war.
A second “like” was for a tweet that included a sketch from the US comedy show The Daily Show.
You used to be quite vocal when they were doing similar when Corbyn was in charge but now the boots on the other foot it's okay? Once again you seem to think everyone should abandon their principles and get behind your ideals.
The only person that split the vote was Starmer. He painted the party into a corner it didn't need to be in and now has to deal with the consequences.
Pipe down with your relevant information @kimbers
Theres an important purile squabble happening here
Rwanda scheme is no more!
Good! not only was it criminally imorral, it was a monumentaly huge waste of UK tax payers money.
Not a bad start for Kier.
kimbers
Full Member
Rwanda scheme is no more!https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1809313761301524729?t=1a-z9N1c07ajnZrurRNo6w&s=19
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The time and money wasted on that!Great news.
Peurile (sp)
So within hours Starmer is burying the whole "indecisive" trope. It feels like a whirlwind in government. You can almost feel a change in energy.
It's seems that Labour have a plan. The irony!
Ridiculously early "days" but this is a good start. A very good start.
In other news:
David Lammy, appointed foreign secretary, called for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza.
Lammy is a little bit questionable for me on some matters, and great in some other maters, but I don't doubt his conviction to do a good job.
So, Farage caught celebrating last night with the guy that had issues with the "degenerate" flag on the cop car. A guy that he'd "sacked".
So...
How many days/weeks before Reform has it's first proper scandal in government?
Luckily the Labour Party is back in the hands of the grown ups
So why do you behave like a child throwing a tantrum when you disagree someone else's political opinions?
Have you ever tried to strongly disagree with someone in a calm and grownup manner instead of getting hysterical?
Good day but no time to relax or we may well have a far right government next time or the time after that.
I can't see any solution other than doing something about immigration. Whether you agree it's an issue or not, it's rocket fuel to a large part of the electorate.
I can’t see any solution other than doing something about immigration. Whether you agree it’s an issue or not, it’s rocket fuel to a large part of the electorate.
For me It's the simple mis-handling (or IMO, refusal to deal with) Immigration by the last government that was a far larger issue than immigration in, and of itself.
This is really refreshing, I actually feel better today than I did yeserday about the election... dare I say it, things might actually get done.
It will be interesting to see how our box-fresh new government grasp the nettle of the russian invasion of Ukraine...
...i'm guessing thats going to require a bit more thought than a day1 announcement, but from what I've seen so far, I have high hopes.
it’s rocket fuel to a large part of the electorate.
Partly because politicians keep telling them that it is a very very important issue.
In 2010 the really big issue was the deficit, everyone was saying that it was a really important issue which should be dealt with urgently.
Do you think that the average voter came to that conclusion by themselves or were helped to come to that conclusion by politicians?
It wasn't a really urgent issue btw. It was just an excuse for austerity.
Immigration is fine. No UK government has an open door policy, and certainly not the Tories for the last 14 years. Don't give Nigel Farage the tools to stir up shit.
That was the mistake the last Tory government made, and it cost them dearly.
I'm interested that the usual suspects on X are frothing because the people being appointed to eg Prisons and Science 'aren't even MPs'
Do they ever stop to consider the merits of their complaints? In what sort of world is appointing people with relevant experience stupid?
You could deliver them a carrier bag full of money, and they'd complain it's in the wrong denomination banknotes
This, I can get behind if something meaningful comes of it
mattyfez
Free Member
It will be interesting to see how our box-fresh new government grasp the nettle of the russian invasion of Ukraine…
I honestly think that's one of the easier issues for Starmer. Keep the aid/arms flowing, affirm support for NATO and keep the public support for ukraine** very public and frequent.
Gaza, NHS, social care, housing, poverty... that is the stuff if nightmares. I don't envy Starmer.
** Side benefit? Ukraine is a thorn in the side for Farage. Doing the right thing, supporting Ukraine, skrews him over too. Win, win.
I honestly think that’s one of the easiest issues for Starmer. Keep the aid/arms flowing, affirm support for NATO and keep the public support for ukraine**… very public and frequent.
Gaza, NHS, social care, housing, poverty… that is the stuff if nightmares. I don’t envy Starmer.
** Side benefit? Ukraine is a thorn in the side for Farage. Doing the right thing, supporting Ukraine, skrews him over too. Win, win.
Agreed, it will be an interesting few months!
Agreed, it will be an interesting few months!
Hopefully with a side order if boring on most days.lol Really, I just want competent boring politics to return. Oh, the culture war shit to end too. Im sick of that.
First thing I thought with the doctors being engaged with next week is that the Tories wouldn't have done that. They'd have been on X calling them unreasonable or woke or some other balls. So sick of the culture war.
What I'd like to see fairly soon is the publication of the Russia Report.....that should shine some welcome light on Farage/Reform salary/funding.
Anyone know how the money for parties works when they are limited companies w shareholder....s
No Short Money for parties with fewer than 5 MPs. That's what I read earlier in the thread anyway, don't know any more.
That was me I was slightly wrong
Reform will get a few hundred k due to their vote share but because they have b less than 6mps it is capped
If course refuk being a plc 53% owned by farage all that money is his
First thing I thought with the doctors being engaged with next week is that the Tories wouldn’t have done that. They’d have been on X calling them unreasonable or woke or some other balls. So sick of the culture war.
The Tory (ex) health secretary literally told the junior doctor negotiator "I can't agree a deal with you even if it was cheaper than continuing the dispute, just think how it would look on the front of the daily mail"!
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01663/
General funding for Opposition Parties – the amount payable to qualifying parties is £21,438.33 for every seat won at the last General Election plus £42.82 [corrected on 8 Jan 24, previously reported as £38.75] for every 200 votes gained by the party.
...
The funding available to parties with five or fewer Members is subject to a floor and ceiling, set at 50% and 150%, respectively, of the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority’s (IPSA) staffing budget for non-London area MPs. For 2023/24, the staffing budget for non-London MPs is £236,170:
The floor is set at £118,085
The ceiling is set at £354,255
4 seats x 21,438 = 85,752
4,114,287 votes x 42.82 per 200 = 880,868
total 966,620 so they get the ceiling amount £354k. Per financial year.
I think. Figures for last financial year, and that west Highlands seat yet to declare (not that it makes a difference due to the cap).
David Lammy, appointed foreign secretary, called for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza.
No surprise there, it was in the manifesto.
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-election-what-are-labours-foreign-policy-plans-2024-07-03/
Tories
121 seats x 21,438 = 2,593,998
6,824,809 votes x 42.82 per 200 = 1,461,191
Leader of the opposition's office 998,817
Total £5,054,006
