Garages speech is going well : )
For those that understandably couldn't bear to watch starts speech, gets heckled, heckler gets ejected, starts speech again, another heckler, another ejection, another restart and yes, another heckler
80% of eligible voters didn’t vote for Labour.
Democracy in name only
Let's play the useless statistics game!
Only 27% of the UK voting age population actually voted for Brexit
Also
I've needed a wee for 3.5% of my waking hours today
Garages speech is going well : )
Let him speak. 🙂
"It’s never really been about that, it’s about nimbyism."
Yep, Starmer needs to bulldoze local planning if we are to get the number of houses required to put the supply/demand in favour of supply. There are loads of areas that could theoretically be used without losing the precious countryside but fighting with planners and NIMBY people needs to go.
grimep
Free Member
80% of eligible voters didn’t vote for Labour.Democracy in name only.
Good afternoon!
So if we win the euros 7 nil against ze Germans are we going to complain about the lack of nutmegs and overhead bicycle kicks?
Regardless of how the outcome arose the scum have been obliterated.
Let's just enjoy this brief moment of happiness
They got less votes AND more votes? Pretty impressive!
Yup, a slightly larger percentage....2% more, but half a million less votes. It's not complicated really.
And remember we are making a comparison with the last general election which was indisputably very bad indeed.
That is what is so sobering. It's scary because it could so easily go the other way next general election.
Farage making a strong case for PR. Must be a weird feeling for all the pro-PR pro-Europeans on here. 😉
Regardless of how the outcome arose the scum have been obliterated.
What has he expelled Angela Rayner from the party already?
Please delete I only posted once
Please delete I only posted once
There's no buggering around getting the cabinet sorted is there!
It's almost... Urgent!
Yep, Starmer needs to bulldoze local planning if we are to get the number of houses required to put the supply/demand in favour of supply
Aside from changing planning laws doesnt necessarily shift the supply.
Since a)you still have the workforce supply constraint (potentially could be met by prefab houses but that then needs its own investment first) and b)the major companies dont have an incentive to meet the demand. They can make more money from the shortage with higher returns per unit.
Regardless of how the outcome arose the scum have been obliterated.
What has he expelled Angela Rayner from the party already?
It wasn’t funny when you said it the first time, let alone 3rd time
Look at this. Even the entry of cabinet ministers into no 10 is managed properly and speedily.
Everyyhing seems so... Professional.
I'm not used to this!
"Farage making a strong case for PR. Must be a weird feeling for all the pro-PR pro-Europeans on here"
Why weird? I suppose it's a bit unusual that he has a grievance that's actually valid for once.
80% of eligible voters didn’t vote for Labour.
Democracy in name only.
Its gonna blow your tiny mind when you find out about Brexit
"Poor Ashworth and Debbonnaire, robbed of their marching down Downing St moment by pesky pro-Palestine activists"
Debbonaire was beaten by the Greens which has a been a process slowly creeping through Bristol for many years. Greens second in several other Bristol seats too
Ashworth and Debbonaire - yes - how galling it must be to see their classmates all getting important jobs while they look up the address of their local Job Centre !!
I simply don’t get your point Daz
First you are calling me hubristic for saying basically that we are an outlier now compared to say France but wait till the next election where it could all go wrong….then you go on to say just that..
You have a go at Starmer for being a centrist and not having the balls to be progressive and presumably more Left wing then you have an unprovoked go at Rayner the most progressive and Left wing front bencher
Not sure you really have a grasp of what’s going on.
That Johnathan Pie “Thank You” vid a page or two back…..
I’m not much of a facebook user/poster and don’t think I’ve posted anything political since Brexit. But thought it mild enough and jolly enough I posted it earlier…..I’ve now got 4 less Facebook friends than I had this morning – and I’ve only got a couple of hundred!
So I’d recommend it – want to flush out a bitter tory today hiding in your friends list – excellent bleach.
Thanks. I've just done the same and likewise, usually avoid anything political on there. I shall report back as to it's throbber removal effectiveness!
There's something incredibly satisfying about seeing Angela Rayner heading in to number 10 to take up a cabinet position. She's smart and has a grit about her, I hope she comes through with her desire to build more social housing.
It's also satisfying to think how many old school Tories piss will be boiling that she's in government and they aren't
Debbonaire was beaten by the Greens which has a been a process slowly creeping through Bristol for many years. Greens second in several other Bristol seats too
Yes of course I stand corrected. Even better though 🙂
then you have an unprovoked go at Rayner
Did I? Think you might have confused me with FD.
So if we win the euros 7 nil against ze Germans are we going to complain about the lack of nutmegs and overhead bicycle kicks?
Well, under the last manager England scored 9 goals against Germany, so really that win is a failure (even though in that game Germany scored 14 goals and England was eliminated).
The Bristol project by the Greens is a really interesting bit of politics. (I spoke to a few of them last year when I was contemplating standing as a Green candidate locally). Hard to see where they could do a similar thing. Manchester maybe? Very strong Labour candidates there though. I think that I'll be joining the party as a member in the coming days. Fantastic result for them, total travesty that they're getting ignored by the media, whilst Farage's far right cabal get widespread coverage.
Fair dues to Harriet Harman. 73 and I don’t think she’s been to sleep since I first saw her on C4 last night. ?
Poor Ashworth and Debbonnaire, robbed of their marching down Downing St moment by pesky pro-Palestine activists.
I think we're all aware of the labour vote share barely moving. Also, I live in one of the few lab con marginals that actually stayed conservative, despite having a great labour candidate our former MP who lost in Johnson's GE and should have been back, the lightweight tory kept his seat against the trend. Gaza won't have helped. Bitter taste frankly though my feelings are an irrelevance in the scheme of things. But crow away... .
Whatever, tough job starts now.
Fantastic result for them, total travesty that they’re getting ignored by the media, whilst Farage’s far right cabal get widespread coverage.
Yes, really pisses me off that Farage is all over the TV this morning yet the Greens historic victory is... nowhere.
This infatuation with Farage is bloody ridiculous.
Debbonaire was beaten by the Greens which has a been a process slowly creeping through Bristol for many years.
The Green candidate Carla Denyer was officially endorsed by 'The Muslim Vote'.
The Green Party has a long history of solidarity with Palestine, The Muslim Vote endorsed Green candidates right across the UK. Here in Croydon they endorsed 3 Green candidates out of the 4 Croydon constituencies, the fourth candidate that they endorsed was a LibDem.
The pro-Palestine vote undoubtedly contributed to the Green Party's success yesterday, and it undoubtedly contributed to a significant fall of support for Labour in many areas.
Yes, really pisses me off that Farage is all over the TV this morning yet the Greens historic victory is… nowhere.
Farage did just almost single-handedly change the political course of the UK, while the Green success has barely moved the dial.
Green success has barely moved the dial.
It could plausibly be argued that the denial of airtime to the Greens over the years is not orthogonal to that.
Marina Hyde on absolute belting form.
“ Meanwhile, it’s incredible to think that only a short while ago we thought we’d eradicated measles and Nigel Farage. Both have now been brought back, largely by the same people.”
Just seen that Douglas Ross lost, missed that one. Fantastic stuff. Losing to the SNP in 2024 is a hell of an achievement
Aside from changing planning laws doesnt necessarily shift the supply.
Then you force the supply. You are the government with control over this stuff and the money to invest so you can do what you ****ing like. The sort of aggressive change that Starmer doesn't seem to be pushing...
tbf the greens arguing against nuclear and high speed rail hasnt helped them
as for the Muslim vote, a few independents have done well, but the workers party & Galloway are pretty horrible, it was brilliant to see he got turfed out in Rochdale & Yakoob in Ladywood seemed like a complete scumbag, streeting almost lost too
meanwhile Jess Phillips handled some pretty grim intimidation very well
https://twitter.com/David_Challen/status/1809095537318089197
Im not sure how many Labour MPs that won last night were Muslim? some more noises about a ceasefire in palestine today, I wonder if one had already been reached would that have changed much
Being trying to find the least Reform voting seat in the UK.
Lots of low vote shares across all of Edinburgh, and big parts of Glagsow and London.
Standouts seem to be:
Edinburgh North and Leith 3.7%
Islington North 3.5%
Bristol Central 3.1%
Hackney and Stoke Newington 3.1%
Non exhaustive as there were a few areas that didn't have Reform standing due to electoral pacts, like Sheffield, but interesting to see the trend in where people rejected Reform
Im not sure how many Labour MPs that won last night were Muslim? some more noises about a ceasefire in palestine today, I wonder if one had already been reached would that have changed much
Can someone explain to me why there is so much political noise about Palestine, to the point that 4 MPs can be ousted because a party that wasn't in power at the time didn't call for a ceasefire, and we hear nothing about what the Saudis are doing in Yemen?
There are similarities, in that a much more powerful force is killing civilians with Western produced weapons, but Yemen is just ignored, whereas there are weekly marches for Palestine and, especially the young, have made it a political issue in the UK.
Just seen who’s in Stoma’s cabinet.
Yes it is truly awful that his cabinet is <checks notes> the least privately educated ever. The Eton -> Oxbridge pipeline has been the only thing standing between us and the grim darkness of everlasting chaos for hundreds of years!
Just seen who’s in Stoma’s cabinet.
Is a military coup likely? Trying to keep my spirits up
Hey Dan, I really hope you get some good news soon. Maybe GBeebies will have you back?
Despite what our resident Wish.com Wootten says I've seen worse cabinet appointees. Pretty much all of them in the last 14 years without exception.
Looks like another seat for the LibDems is likely
Who are the two seats to declare?
If Sunlun can manage it in an hour and they're barely numerate 😉 (I'm contractually obliged to say that as my family is from North of the Tyne) what are they doing? Are the primary school in charge of logistics as well as letting them use the school for a Polling station?
Both seats are going through recounts. Potential for a fifth reform seat from one in Essex
the ejection of a right wing rabble and only 4 seats for reform – show that the a majority of the UK electorate has had quite enough of that nonsense, thank you very much
I'm not sure the numbers agree with you. This is the hubris that delivered us brexit, they're only just getting started.
One is in the Highlands
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd16410q7neo
The other is near London - can't recall the name - a possible multiple recount with Reform one of the possible winners.
South Basildon & East Thurrock is the other one
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2024/uk/constituencies/E14001480
Yes it is truly awful that his cabinet is <checks notes> the least privately educated ever. The Eton -> Oxbridge pipeline has been the only thing standing between us and the grim darkness of everlasting chaos for hundreds of years!
but who will grimep grovel & cap doff before now?
the ejection of a right wing rabble and only 4 seats for reform – show that the a majority of the UK electorate has had quite enough of that nonsense, thank you very much
mmmm, adding together the vote share gives a different story. Tory 24% + Reform 14% is greater than Labour 36%.
I know, FPTP, but still a sizeable number of voters who haven't had quite enough of that nonsense.
I taught a member of the shadow cabinet for GCSE and two of her A levels and she got into Oxford. Guilty as charged! But at least she was from the working class.
I'm quite pleased with how it went, every other election I've voted in, I've been somewhat displeased, so that's a plus.
Lib dems did really well so that's also really encouraging.
Starmer really has his work cut out, given that he's inherited a total train wreck, to put it politley... - that's going to take time and painfull decisions to alter the course of the ship .So we will see how that goes, and how fast (or not) the public loses patience with huge tasks that simply will take a lot of time, more than one term without any question - the electorate are a problem here, as some people, a lot of people, simply have unrealistic expectations and will happlily lap up short termist 'solutions' that will never be delivered on.
But given that the current shape of Labour seem to actualy want to do a good job rather than simply lie, spread hatred and extract public cash for personal gain, sets them in good stead.
The conservatives in the last itteration were both truly evil and totally incompete.nt, which is probably the worst combination of traits for any political party.
I don't like that Reform gained any seats, but I have a feeling (like some others have mentioned) that Farage and his 'party' will struggle now they actually have a job to do that can be scrutinised more publicly.... When he was MEP he kinda flew under the radar of the public eye, completley took the mick, litteraly doing no actual work but still claiming all the expenses and basically just being a gob-shyte at any given opportunity.
PR is interesting, as others have said, it will allow a few extremes seats form all aspects of the political spectrum, but once people start to understand how it really works there will be a shift in voting behaviour and we should see a much larger and better balance of center left and center right MPs.
Being trying to find the least Reform voting seat in the UK.
They didn't bother standing a candidate here, if 0.0% counts for anything: https://democracy.cambridge.gov.uk/mgElectionAreaResults.aspx?ID=291&RPID=89625428
Just seen who’s in Stoma’s cabinet.
There's only one useless arsehole in this post.
mmmm, adding together the vote share gives a different story. Tory 24% + Reform 14% is greater than Labour 36%.
That's 38% for the right and 62% against...
Pardon my stream of consciousness, but I think it's going to be very hard to get the supporters of Reform UK and the Conservative Party to vote for the same candidates from here on. Johnson managed it in 2019, but he lied and overpromised to the electorate and then didn't deliver. UKIP/Brexit Party/Reform UK pulled their candidates and backed him. I feel they enabled the shambles of the last five years almost as much as the Tories did. Whatever "Leveling Up" was supposed to be, it basically never happened, and struggling communities did worse if anything. The Brexit "deal" has been a disaster and the economic effects have left people worse off too. Where we are now: Nativists are turned off by neoliberal economic policies and want things tilted in their favour and graft; Thatcherites are turned off by protectionism, corruption, and rivers of ****. The right is pretty fundamentally split now in the UK, though there is a danger that an ignorant and desperate electorate and pandering media facilitate growth in nativism as a rejection of orthodox politics, if Labour doesn't turn the ship around. I think Labour can turn the ship around though, and I hope they will.
80% of eligible voters didn’t vote for Labour.
Democracy in name only.
That's about the same percentage which didn't vote for brexit. Why do you hate democracy?
Who are the two seats to declare?
If Sunlun can manage it in an hour and they’re barely numerate ? (I’m contractually obliged to say that as my family is from North of the Tyne) what are they doing? Are the primary school in charge of logistics as well as letting them use the school for a Polling station?
The Scottish one has an "arrithmetic problem" so did a recount but were not happy so sent everyone home at about 10am and the will try again tomorrow morning after some sleep. I suspect it is a problem like "the sum of all the candidate votes does not equal the sum of the votes cast in the polling stations" an therefore the concern is there's an uncounted box somewhere.
Libdems were hopeful they had won it early this AM. Its an SNP incumbent.
That’s 38% for the right and 62% against…
indeed, assuming that Ref+Con were to merge, look at whats happening in France to block LePenns majority!
https://twitter.com/mathieugallard/status/1809210838349226463
Labour doesn’t turn the ship around. I think Labour can turn the ship around though, and I hope they will.
Can they? yes they can, can they do it or produce tangible results/tragectories before the electorate lose patience with them and boot them out after one term? that's the real question here, I fear... especically with the right leaning UK press.
Farage did just almost single-handedly change the political course of the UK
With a bit of help from the right wing rags and a decent portion of the tories and a smaller portion of labour voters.
mmmm, adding together the vote share gives a different story. Tory 24% + Reform 14% is greater than Labour 36%.
Yeah but it doesn't work like that. Apparently 30% of RUK voters would vote Labour if there wasn't a RUK candidate. Some would vote Tory, some for other parties, and some wouldn't bother voting at all.
By definition Tory voters and RUK voters are not the same so you can't just lump them together and treat them as if they are. Although obviously the Tories are the main beneficiaries if RUK don't stand.
I just checked back, one of the unresolved seats is Reform, so 5 now.
Which one it is, I don't know.
edit. Wrong one of the two basildons.
South Basildon and East Thurrock
Yes. I think they'd already called it for reform but it was close so Labour asked for a recount. Not really a suprise it did eventually go to reform. There isn't much practical difference between 4 and 5 seats other than increased chances of a scandal
Edited after someone edited
I’m quite pleased with how it went, every other election I’ve voted in, I’ve been somewhat displeased, so that’s a plus.
You have made me realise that this is the first general election in my lifetime which I am satisfied with the result.
On the eve of the 1997 general election I was so overcome with gloom at the thought of Tony Blair becoming prime minister that I went out and canvassed for the Liberal Democrats helping them to win a seat from the Tories
A particularly satisfying experience as the Tory MP was the exceptionally obnoxious Dame Olga Maitland.
This general election is the first one in which I am actually satisfied with the result. Ideally I would have preferred a Tory wipeout but there are so many positive aspects of the result that I am happy to let that go.
What I find particularly encouraging is the progressive representation of the new parliament. If the Greens and independents form an even loose coalition they will be, with the SNP, the joint 4th largest grouping.
Plus it looks feasible that the Liberal Democrats are returning to their more radical roots after the disaster that was Nick Clegg.
Together the more progressive elements in the new parliament could put pressure on a timid Labour government to pursue a more radical agenda.
The fact that Labour's huge majority was built on rather shaky grounds with a surprisingly low vote makes them more vulnerable. It would be nice, and very useful, if they felt vulnerable from not just the Tories but also the left.
And of course it is hugely beneficial if Reform UK do not monopolise the "protest vote" niche. Voters need to be offered something more than Nigel Farage as an alternative.
I'm feeling positive!
I just watched a short of when Ress-Mog lost his seat... I'm sure it's been said before but how can a man as incredibly rich as he is, wear a suit so badly? He should realy find a new taylor, as I'm guessing he doesn't buy them 'off the peg' from primark...
There's a different way of solving the housing shortage.
1. Stop people owning 3 or 4 or 5 or 10 homes. There's so much property tied up in rentals and holiday homes. Force sales of them...that will reduce the price. Keep enough for those who *want* or short term *need* to rent. But enable people to buy rather than having to rent for a fortune and never see any benefit of their spent money.
2. Redevelop waste and empty property 1st before building new. I'm in Mid Derbyshire- finally a Labour seat after all this time. The mill in Belper has sat mainly rotting and unused (except for a small gym and a few bits used for storage) for decades. Force that to be redeveloped into accommodation before building on green belt (they are building on green belt after the corrupt Tories got paid off Centrally to overrule local planning and UNESCO world heritage site buffer zone rules. Meanwhile the mill continues to rot)
least Reform voting seat in the UK...Standouts seem to be:
Edinburgh North and Leith 3.7%
Islington North 3.5%
Bristol Central 3.1%
Hackney and Stoke Newington 3.1%
Interesting that these are all constituencies where there is another protest/anti-establishment candidate ie SNP, Corbyn, Green, Abbot.
Will the Russian embassy move to Clacton? Well, it's true that historically the search for warm water ports has been a strategic priority for Russia...
In any case, the UK election is over. It's been a massive success for Labour under Starmer, and that's undeniable by anyone outside the Corbyn-Galloway-Abbot supernatural reality distortion forcefield. It's also been a huge success for the Lib Dems and Greens and Reform. And it's a well-deserved drubbing for the SNP and Tories who should reinvent themselves as sensible, transparent European republican and centre right parties respectively...but probably instead they will give in to the worse grievance neuroses of their core members and go completely batshit.
Cheerio!
Interesting that these are all constituencies where there is another protest/anti-establishment candidate ie SNP, Corbyn, Green, Abbot.
That was my thought about what the poster was implying.
No reform candidate here, and Labour won (Early and Woodley, predominately 70/80s new town suburbia in Reading). It was very close though, 850 votes in it. I'm sort of hoping that a) now that there's a result, it won't be a Lib Dem target so tactical voting can happen. And B, a future Reform candidate may split the Right vote.
Labour could have seen IDS out on his arse too if not for the stupidity of Faiza Shaheen deciding to run as an independent instead of swallowing her pride after being axed by Labour for her agreement with anti-semitic comments. Because as a result she gifted the seat to the right wing. Just self-promotion on her part, putting herself over the needs of the poor in the constituency.
Lamp is either Russian, or ironically given his username not very bright…
As my dear mum used to say about such subjects, “as dim as a TocH lamp…” ?
Chippenham has gone LibDem, as I hoped/expected. This is pretty amazing, considering it’s political history, which goes back to the 13thC.
In 1918 it voted in Victor Caziel, a Unionist, and quite a remarkable man, as he was fairly openly queer, and became hostile to the Nazis against the national feelings during the 30’s, after he saw what was happening to Jews and gays in Berlin.
In 1922 the town went Liberal, then Caziel again in 1924, he then changed to Conservative in 1931, and the town stayed Conservative until 2010, when it voted LibDem, then Conservative in 2015.
