Just woken up again. Gutted that I missed Truss lose.....and 4 Greens, this is amazing!! Sad to hear of the abuse of Jess Philips, that independent was a right vile wrong un.
Soooo has he booked his plane tickets to sunny socal or will he stay to help the country as a credible opponent to labour.
You know the country with more food banks than McDonald's in part to him running the place into the ground.
I could stick a bet on I suppose like one of the newly elected lords did.
Bunch of grifting poisonous shit peddling millionaires
Are we allowed to mention the SNP?
Yep , agreed. Reform down here got something like 9000 votes , against the Tories winner with 12,800. Different weather on the day and less feel good factors could have seen it closer than that.
There was a 60-odd % overall turnout. Reform overall are going to get about 13-14% of the vote. That's 8% of the overall electorate. I wondered previously (early hours of this morning) so probably lost in the pages ago history, but Reform is to some extent a protest vote and if you're motivated to protest you're *probably* motivated to go out and register that protest.
No matter how hard they tried to caution against it, I wonder how many voters, particularly for the two main parties, didn't go and vote because it was a foregone conclusion / no point / disillusioned. 40% of people didn't vote, I wonder what proportion if forced to vote would have voted for the main parties (if true to their opinions, not also voting for another option as protest of being forced to vote)
If there was a 100% turnout, I'd be incredibly surprised if Reform still got 13-14% of that and would predict they'd still be somewhere around the 8-10% That's still too high for me given what they stand for but I respect democracy and the right for people to hold and vote for those opinions. And I also respect that part of democracy is engaging voters to go and register their views, not assume it was a foregone conclusion or just be too pissed off to bother.
might have already been mentioned, but it looks like the lib-dems almost have an equal share-of-vote to share-of-seats ratio (its bloody close). Will this mean they stop fighting for proportional representation?
“Great to see Corbyn re-elected.
Binners will be pleased”
I couldn’t give a flying **** about Magic Grandad
This sums up my mood at the moment…
To coin a phrase from a popular sitcom: We’re doomed.
A popular phrase from about 50 years ago. Much like the rest of your opinions about the labour party.
I couldn’t give a flying **** about Magic Grandad
Jebus Binners, don't start that argumenathon off again!
Can't be many that right wing cabal, the ERG group, left now.
Off to Heathrow
His bags will already be there
Locally we were victims of the Boundaries Commission moving us from Dartford (now Labour) to Sevenoaks (never likely to be anything other than Tory). Some folk were so disconnected from politics that I had to explain to a couple that Laura Trott MP was not the cyclist!
Anyway, with the nature of the Labour win, what are the odds that electoral reform will even be considered going forward? FPTP sometimes gives the voting public what they want but it seems like every election there's this whole "yeah but look at the number of actual votes they got" argument.
Will we ever see proportional representation?
@binners that Ian Dunt quote is a good summary. I believe Starmer is a basically good bloke with a moral compass, I trust my instincts on people. I think he's been careful on many issues as he's tactically smart, sees the long game plan and trying to steer a fine line (the media, avoiding distraction etc) hasn't always presented him/Labour well. I hope what we see in the near future shows his true ability and aims. I say 'I hope' rather than anything more confident because politics is like road racing to me, it has a track record that creates cynicism in anyone who's either pragmatic or not a blind optimist. For me Starmer is like Pogacar and Vingegaard's era - there is hope that things can be better, but only time and some hindsight will convince.
Who is going to be the last seat to declare? The BBC show 2 seats left, but I can only spot one "grey" constituency on the map. Is there some odd one that always declares later than all the rest?
By the way, I remember a time when NI constituencies didn't start counting until the next morning, so was pleased to see they have all declared.
Red white and blue dress it only needed a few stars. They are off like donkey Kong before September
I’m assuming his wife and kids are already on the private jet to Cali, with Rishi to follow .
But he is still an MP and so should be required to attend the House of Commons to represent his constituents. Perhaps we should have a sweep stake on who turns up more Rishi or Nigel
Apparently the Secretary of State for Drivers, Mark Harper, for the boot too. Hopefully Lou Haigh will be better, especially as Cycling UK got to her after some previous daft comments…
"Off to Heathrow
His bags will already be there"
He'll be gutted he didnt lose his seat, now hes got to quit and call a by-election
I live in Kent.
I now live in a part of Kent with a Labour council AND a Labour MP.
Neither of those statements were the case at the start of last year.
And **** me, a Labour PM, a Labour PM.
Politically, I now live in nirvana.
I voted for better and I've already got that on day 1.
Might be a drama in the Basildon/Thurrock seat
https://thurrock.nub.news/news/local-news/labour-take-thurrock-but-its-too-close-to-call-in-south-basildon-and-east-thurrock-and-a-recount-will-follow-234229
Initially candidates were told Reform had won by a margin of 127 votes, which prompted Labour to demand a recount and an initial check found botched counting procedures.
No idea if that website is reliable
Will this mean they stop fighting for proportional representation?
The real shocker for me in all of this is that Reform got a higher share of the vote than the Lib. Dems and we're lucky that they only got 4 seats. With PR (something I've previously been in favour of as a Lib. Dem supporter) they'd presumably have had a bigger representation than the Liberals.
Reform vote share across the places they stood, none in NI, is interesting. Highest in Wales agt 17%, lowest in Scotland at 7%
I went to bed at midnight, very glum based on the exit poll and 13 reform projections.
I woke at 4 and have been up to see all the Portillo's, the change in projections and final tally. It was quite a journey. Truss going was an unexpected highlight for me.
I believe I witnessed first hand the single greatest outbreak of joy since the end of the second world war
The same detail on the recount was on the guardian live feed too
Reform is currently encouraging a section of the population which either otherwise wouldn't normally vote or would cast a protest vote.
As ever, their leaflet drops (just like Brexit) had a very clear, easy to understand message of what they want, but like a bag of crisps, there's not much to digest and it's certainly not built to sustain you.
Yes but the existence of PR would completely change the party landscape so you can't just point at one result like that.
FPTP forces loosely aligned people to group together into bigger parties, which is why we've had to main parties for so long. The Tories were actually made up of a wide spectrum from near centrist business focused people to right wing nutters. This causes problems for representation because right wing nutters end up voting for centrists and vice versa. So no-one even knows what the electorate's views even are, for sure. And it means parties have to compromise internally and invisibly, with the result that everyone's disappointed at some point.
If we had PR we'd have way more parties. If we had an alternative vote or second choice system a large number of people would put Green down, which would force other parties to chase Green votes with environmental policies and we'd probably have much stronger environmental protections as a result. It would have a huge effect on the country as a whole.
It was unsurprising how graceless they all were in defeat.
My mate Paul is a local radio reporter. He was at the count for Jake Berry. He tried to get a word with him on air, but he was straight out the back door and no doubt straight back to his actual home 100 miles away in Wales.
So like so many of them last night he didn’t hang around to thank his team or the volunteers who will have been out on the streets campaigning for him in the rain for months
Graceless, arrogant and charmless ****s, the lot of them
Good riddance!
BinnersIt was unsurprising how graceless they all were in defeat.
Rees-Mogg was actually pretty gracious. I hate to give him credit for anything, but he was. Congratulated his opponent and SKS and praised our democracy. Applause.
[url] https://news.sky.com/video/jacob-rees-mogg-bids-farewell-with-chitty-chitty-bang-bang-quote-13170822 [/url]
"private jet to Cali"
TBF, Cali is a more likely destination for Truss, Kwarteng and Gove. Connecting flight from Bogota.
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“Reform is currently encouraging a section of the population which either otherwise wouldn’t normally vote or would cast a protest vote.”
Really? I don’t think so.
In seat after seat most of the Tory % reduction was mirrored in a Reform increase. Looks very much like Reform’s vote is primarily right wing Tories unhappy with the party after Johnson and Truss got kicked out.
What is remarkable to me is that I was 14 when the last Labour gov. was elected after years of Tory corruption and incompetence. Back then, there seemed a real sense of optimism.
Now, at 40 (!), it's remarkable in the office today how few people seem to actually care. The overarching feeling seems to be relief that the Tories have finally been booted out of office rather than any sense of hope.
As a side note, the Tories still won almost 7 million votes, who the **** are these people that vote Tory after the last fourteen years? It's truly astonishing.
Quick off the mark!
J-RReally? I don’t think so.
Look at the Reform/Tory vote percentages from the Poll Tracker. Reform took around 2-3% from the Tories from the point at which Farage declared, Labour lost more, but the LD and Greens saw a spike, so that's less clear, but Reform were polling at 6-8% beforehand and went on to take 14-15%. Farage managed to drag 7% from a 3% swing.
"Sweep stake for when Rishi steps down? Can I have this Sunday? I’m assuming his wife and kids are already on the private jet to Cali, with Rishi to follow."
My prediction for a while now is that he'll be the first Non-Dom MP
"In seat after seat most of the Tory % reduction was mirrored in a Reform increase. Looks very much like Reform’s vote is primarily right wing Tories unhappy with the party after Johnson and Truss got kicked out."
Yougov did analysis of this at xmas back then reform vote was about half what it is now, at the time only 1/3rd of the Refuk vote would or had ever vote tory, even if you assume that all the voters theyve added since then are disgruntled Tory voters theyre still not 100% natural Tories
Truss looked like she wasnt turning up, they waited about 10 minutes, she eventually did, she just gawped like a gold fish then slunk off
https://twitter.com/BBCRosAtkins/status/1809108300794905071
But Ross Atkins from the BBC grabbed her for an interview as she left
All in all, a good result, Labour have a majority, the lib dems are back to where they should be operating, the tories and reform taking chunks out each other, it's pretty much a one off election and i doubt it'll be similar in 5 years time, so lots of work for labour to do.
Now on to the hard work, actually governing, hopefully they'll be given time, as it'll take 2 years just to bed in what they're plans are, that's without any disasters striking, again, hopefully folk give them more than the 3 hours they got from the usual suspects on here ?
Can anyone tell me if Truss did give a speech or not, if she did a linky please, thanks!
The election rule is that only the winner gets to make a speech (thank God!). However, look at the gormless pillock here, standing like a sort of robot on standby. No emotion, no flicker of humanity behind her stupid eyes.
They’ll try to appeal to Reform – and unlike UKIP, Reform actually have high profile MPs now. Farage is going to be unbelievably dangerous and generally awful all round.
Reform will have about an eighth of the seats that the SNP had in the last parliament. The Tories found it pretty easy to ignore the SNP then. Labour can do the same now. Spending the next five years worrying about the party that's going to spend the whole time infighting and shit-stirring would be a monumental mistake.
In the future when I encounter someone I believe to be monumentally intellectually challenged I shall be asking the question, "Are you from Clacton?"
I'm very glad to see the Greens and Libdems have done so well last night too.
I'm actually quite comfortable about the Reform result.
They didn't win loads of seats, but they did win enough that Farage will have 3 other egotistical grifters expecting a slice of the pie and the limelight.
Since Reform is basically 'Big Nige PLC' there's nowhere for an ambitious party MP to go.
So I fully expect a massive bust up and at least 1 resignation or defection by the end of the parliament.
The election rule is that only the winner gets to make a speech (thank God!).
Don't think it is. Pretty sure the outgoing MP gets (or indeed is expected to) give a speech if they stood and lost.
Shapps gave a very (very) long one.
She elected not to, and then walk away from the BBC interview too.
Now on to the hard work, actually governing, hopefully they’ll be given time, as it’ll take 2 years just to bed in what they’re plans are, that’s without any disasters striking, again, hopefully folk give them more than the 3 hours they got from the usual suspects on here ?
I would like to think there's an element of "natural party of government" as the Tory's put it.
If they can make a difference in 5 years and not have any major issues then the argument for a protest vote starts to subside. The trouble for Labour the last 14 years is that they've been battling against the press and not cutting through. If your policies can be seen to be working in the real world then it doesn't matter what the Daily Mail says, you'll look like a good choice to be government.
> However, look at the gormless pillock here, standing like a sort of robot on standby. No emotion, no flicker of humanity behind her stupid eyes.
British politics will be a lot better off without her. She's really got a screw loose.
BTW, what happened to the edit buttons?
The last nail in the coffin for this country will be a Labour government...To coin a phrase from a popular sitcom: We’re doomed.
It's been about 40 years since Dad's Army was popular. But to be fair your stereotype of the Labour Party is about 40 years out of date too. You're the last person alive that thinks the Labour Party is socialist!
rather than any sense of hope
https://twitter.com/glitterstrands/status/1808970071160860981?t=cyzHSCES9z2hjHJt2lX8jg&s=19
I'm still holding hope that, now they are in, and comfortably in, they will enact a bunch of goodness for everyone.
No idea how to post x/twitter posts do they show like other clever folks on here (shrug emoji as emojis not working either)
I think [Farage]'d rather have come a close second, bragged about how well he’d done then scuttled off to America to get whatever scraps the orange oaf throws his way.
Trump is not a great friend of Farage, Trump is not going to give Farage anything for free, Farage does not have any influence in the US, and Farage is not making tons of money in the US. All of these things are myths spread by Farage himself. It is total bullshit. He is an ugly-toothed, incomprehensible no-one in US politics.
why really does a Welsh-only party...have any real business campaigning based on UK foreign policy when practically, they will be completely unable to affect it?
Because Welsh voters that agree with PC's position are entitled to representation, because opposition MPs play a strong role in scrutiny and committees (not just votes), and because foreign policy in particular throws up dilemmas that aren't neatly divisible along ideological lines. That's exactly when cross-party or conscience votes are possible.
The whole point of devolved nations sending MPs to Westminster is to influence reserved matters like foreign policy!
Since Reform is basically ‘Big Nige PLC’ there’s nowhere for an ambitious party MP to go.
So I fully expect a massive bust up and at least 1 resignation or defection by the end of the parliament.
I can see the first by-election being within months as either footage comes to light of a Reform MP goose-stepping in a Nazi uniform or burning a Palestinian flag, or Nige tires of the tedious reality of being an actual MP and calls it a day to go and suck up to Trump instead
Like Boris, he’s a campaigner only and is inherently ****less and lazy. He wants the adoration and applause, to stand in front of a crowd of placard-waving halfwits. He’s zero interest in the bit that comes next, which may actually require him to do some work
"However, look at the gormless pillock here, standing like a sort of robot on standby"
I thought they told the candidates immediately prior to the declaration. Son't want any medical emergencies on stage. She therefore knew she had lost, probably asked for a recount given the closeness.
@intheborders We had an attorney general who spent most of his time in the Bahamas. Geoffrey Robinson maybe?
"as it’ll take 2 years just to bed in what they’re plans are"
Don't you need plans first before you can bed them in?
So I fully expect a massive bust up and at least 1 resignation or defection by the end of the parliament.
30p got form
I think [Farage]’d rather have come a close second, bragged about how well he’d done then scuttled off to America to get whatever scraps the orange oaf throws his way.
There's nothing to compel him to turn up at all anyway, other than to stroke his own ego and posture to his electorate.
@oldnpastit
Full MemberBTW, what happened to the edit buttons?
This came up last night mate, you need to go into settings and turn on the fancy editor I believe.?
Reform will have about an eighth of the seats that the SNP had in the last parliament.
Reform UK will have one MP less than the pro-Palestine independent MPs, which is nice.
Nigel Farage I suspect considers them to be "Islamists" who don't share our British Christian values, which is also nice if adds some humiliation to that fact.
Edit: "Reform UK beaten by Islamists in a UK general election" I like the sound of that headline. I know a few people that it would really wind up
And I believe that winning seats is all that counts?
So the Reform cabal is Farage, Tice, Anderson.....three huge egos, Anderson is a genuine simpleton and I believe Rice and Farage have properly fallen out. Then I don't know much about the fourth guy. I might be wrong, but I can't see a harmonious time. They'll all be on GB News the vast majority of the time anyway!
I expect Farage is already on the phone with Priti Patel over him joining the Tories at some point.
Since Reform is basically ‘Big Nige PLC’ there’s nowhere for an ambitious party MP to go.
I think if I were a Reform MP, I'd be looking for the first opportunity to stab Farage in the back and then run across to the Tory party. They're wrecked today but they still have a bunch of institutional machinery and knowledge in the business of getting re-elected.
As for the few losers' speeches I heard, they were - generally - gracious and considered.
On a different subject, I've just been looking at the results in Lincolnshire; it must be the racist centre of the UK.
Changing subject again, my constituency - Newark - was retained by jenrick and I'm beginning to think that, after a suitable period of reflection/introspection, there should be a deep dive to establish whether or not Labour really/fully understood the constituency dynamics. It's a very white constituency and, based on my campaigning activities, there is a surprisingly high level of racism underneath a thin veneer of 'middle class repectability'.
Have any other former PMs lost their seat at the next available election?
Trump is not a great friend of Farage, Trump is not going to give Farage anything for free,
True, but whilst Trump himself wouldn't piss in Nige's ear if his brain was on fire, there's a fairly lucrative potential future for him as a conservative talking head on Fox News and the like.
watching live on Sky news, he’s just driven the wrong way round a roundabout. Typical, thinking they’re above the law.
I think Kier Starmer's been a rubbish PM so far. He's done nothing to cut costs for hardworking families, done nothing for Palestine, and done nothing on climate change. What was the point? I'm voting Reform next time.
Yeah agreed @binners first thing she blamed was the legacy of the human rights act. She'll be back in 2029 though somewhere I'd imagine
I actually feel genuinely emotional watching Starmer walk up Downing Street. It seemed unthinkable 5 years ago and represents the first cause for political optimism I’ve felt in what seems like an eternity
tobago - you're thinking of Geoffrey Cox who, disappointingly, retained his seat.
