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Are you actually being serious or was that intended as casual hyperbole?

I am being serious.

Evan Harris, to use your example, has never completed his training, and so has no real experience of being a doctor in the NHS other than as a trainee. And he’s definitely not a GP, so is unlikely to have any insight into what it takes to be a GP.

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 2:36 pm
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heard it as some leasehold reform was going through but not the ban om no fault evictions

No fault eviction will remain. There are going to be a lot of Tory rental investments with tenants to be evicted and sold

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 2:36 pm
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are you on crack.

Have you seen the prices these days? Crack is VAT-rated at 20%.

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 2:36 pm
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It’s an exception, but one of 650 constituencies is hardly a large one.

Farage only ever one one seat, and look where that got us.

So all those ordinary, average earning families who’s only hope of a decent school for the kids was scrimping, no holidays, no new car, make do and mend, to get them in a fee paying school will now be priced out of the sector and will have to find places in state schools (funded by taxes)

How "average earning" do you need to be to have £30k* to spare?

£30k is more than the average UK net full time wage!

*assuming 2 kids and you're not picking a favorite.

GP: Not an urgent care service. If you’re that poorly, that you need to see someone quickly; hi thee to A&E.

Sort of.

But A&E aren't setup to deal with someone coming in with some random symptoms that need a blood test to rule out cancer and a week could be a long time in a cancer diagnosis.

Or even something relatively minor that's keeping you off work. Your employer might pay you sick pay to be at home with a bad back until you get some painkillers and a chiropractor. But that's a huge economic cost when you consider the GP is seeing hundreds of patients a week.

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 2:39 pm
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The tax breaks for kids at public schools are greater than the per capita spend on kids at state schools and ofcourse many of those benefits are bestowed on the kids of foreign plutocrats. Sending all kids to their local schools would benefit everyone.

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 2:40 pm
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a week could be a long time in a cancer diagnosis.

Honestly, not really. And if it were they’d be sick enough to need admission to hospital anyway.

This is part of the problem of people not really understanding the role of a GP.

Or even something relatively minor that’s keeping you off work. Your employer might pay you sick pay to be at home with a bad back until you get some painkillers and a chiropractor. But that’s a huge economic cost when you consider the GP is seeing hundreds of patients a week.

There are very few, if any, things like that. Most things just need time to get better.

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 2:43 pm
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ofcourse many of those benefits are bestowed on the kids of foreign plutocrats.

There would be an argument for keeping the VAT exemption for private education provided to foreigners by UK businesses: it's effectively an export of services. Come to think of it, universities don't charge VAT either...

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 2:44 pm
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lolsalot at the private schools post

nice fishin.

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 2:51 pm
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Sort of.

There's a subtle difference between being seen urgently and urgent care. If a GP needs to see you urgently then that's probs a triage/symptom decision, and most GPs will have a same day appt set aside for it. If you need urgent care, a GP will probs send you down to A&E/minor injuries anyway, so you may as well cut out the middleman.

If you have a droopy face, if you've had a seizure, chest pains, shortness of breath/can't breathe, bleeding enough to make a puddle. Go directly to A&E. You'd probs be surprised how many times a week I have to tell patients that.

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 2:53 pm
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Now up to 75 tories standing down

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 2:54 pm
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I heard it as some leasehold reform was going through but not the ban om no fault evictions

Yes, that's what I heard at stupid o'clock this morning, too.

So they're still pandering to the owners of properties but those who rent from them can do one as there are less votes in it, is how I translate that.

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 2:57 pm
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I doubt it if giving pats ‘legal rights’ to demand appts is what they have in mind.

I have to confess that I haven't studied the details of the LibDem policy but is there any evidence that the right to a GP appointment within 7 days would be specific to a surgery?

There is currently a legal right to see a GP and/or access NHS care but as far as I am aware no one has the right to be seen by a specific GP surgery.

As I understand it the LibDem policy seeks simply to put a timeframe on an existing legal right. Which to most people probably sounds reasonable. We are after all talking about 7 days ffs, pre-thatcher you didn't even need to make an appointment to see your GP.

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 2:58 pm
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Pleasantly surprised. Not sure if that was just luck or the Scottish surgeries are fairing better than down south.

Pretty much my/our experience down here, using a surgery that also gets a lot of grief from the local muppets on SM. Phone them, they decide what kind of priority you are, phone or face to face appointment, you get seen or directed to pharmacy/more appropriate service.

I don't know if my expectations are low, or if other people don't understand that GPs operate a different approach to 20-30 years ago, or maybe I'm incredibly fortunate.

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 3:01 pm
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There are going to be a lot of Tory rental investments with tenants to be evicted and sold

Probably so they can emigrate 😉

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 3:01 pm
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I 90% agree with Labour’s policy but in fairness…aren’t there lots of things that are 0% or 5% VAT rated even when provided by for-profit businesses cause they’re in a special category of Good Things e.g. healthcare (physios, GP services, dentistry…) and other forms of private education (music lessons, Kumon clubs, special education tuition), tampons…

I think the logic was "essential" things rather than "good" things (although cake is 0 rated!).  VAT on medicines/healthcare/medical devices is properly complicated and confusing!

Charitable status is a different one obvs. But it seems like the main difference is 80% business rates exemption. Is that a big deal or not? I don’t know how this stuff works

Its a huge issue.  The rates for a typical private school would be eye watering.  But it will also impact on stuff they buy - shiny new kit bought by a charity school will potentially be cheaper than the same stuff bought by a local authority school!

BUT there's probably a bigger issue in terms of the scope of charities too.  e.g. if your local "council" gym is outsourced to an "arm length organisation" it is probably because it is a charity and benefits exactly the same as private schools do where as a council running it would not!  Probably be better to let local council be vat registerred with similar beneifts to being a charity!

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 3:05 pm
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Councils don’t pay VAT, well they do but then claim it back.

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 3:12 pm
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pre-thatcher you didn’t even need to make an appointment to see your GP.

Pre Thatcher, there wasn't the levels of mental health problems, of substance abuse, hypertension, obesity, T2D or other fun LT chronic disease issues there is now though.

I think pats should be able to see a clinician* in a decent time frame, I think they should have a prescription issued in  reasonable time frame, and perhaps even see the same GP for their health issues. I also think that if you want that, then we also need to educate folks about food, and alcohol better and tax them more highly so that folks are dissuaded from abusing them , we should regulate what goes in food, and so on. Starting at the wrong end of the issue (by the time folks are sick enough to need a doctor) isn't gong to make these chronic diseases go away.

*not necessarily a GP

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 3:15 pm
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On the issue of private education I'm with grimep, I agree that it shouldn't be the preserve of the wealthy. Decent education should be a right, not a privilege.

So it's time that a privilege for a select few was abolished.

Even Labour Party right-wingers have struggled to justify private education in the past.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hattersley-hits-at-private-schools-1575871.html

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 3:17 pm
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perhaps even see the same GP for their health issues

Sorry to disagree with you here, but not “perhaps”.

Continuity of care has been shown time and time again to be the best way to add value to healthcare systems. We lose that at our expense. It should be a fundamental of primary care, not a “nice to have”. And it is the opposite to what we currently are aiming for.

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 3:18 pm
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Pre Thatcher, there wasn’t the levels of mental health problems, of substance abuse, hypertension, obesity, T2D or other fun LT chronic disease issues there is now though.

That woman had a lot to answer for!

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 3:19 pm
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*not necessarily a GP

Again no. Needs to be a GP and that’s what we should be aiming for. GPs are equally or more cost effective than other professions and it goes back to continuity of care being the way that primary care adds value.

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 3:21 pm
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I've worked in too many practices that rely on locum and agency GP to make up the sessions to think that its achievable with the work-force we have currently though. Otherwise, I don't disagree with you.

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 3:21 pm
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Based on the mental state of my GP wife and the heavily redacted post work debrief, I'm not sure why anyone does that job. Of the little she could tell me, this week was fairly harrowing even as a listener never mind being first hand.

The British public need their health sorting before it gets to the point of seeing a doctor.

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 3:23 pm
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This thread was a timely reminder to make sure I was registered to vote postally(?) and I have used the website to do that today. Amazingly, it was easy to use.

+1 to that.  Took a bit of going around in circles to get the start point but once on it it was easy to both register as an overseas voter and apply for a postal vote even before the registration was confirmed.  Just to make life easy for anyone else looking, the overseas voter start point is exactly the same as for a UK voter even though the election site seems to imply it is a different process
https://www.gov.uk/register-to-vote

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 3:25 pm
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I enjoy my job, it’s rewarding.

However I only work three days a week and am good at negotiating and maintaining boundaries at work. Not all my colleagues are so lucky.

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 3:30 pm
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Sunaks election definitely has a watery theme

https://twitter.com/JAHeale/status/1793992596890497230?t=8dejidTO63QifaN9aYWaaA&s=19

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 3:31 pm
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On the issue of private education I’m with grimep, I agree that it shouldn’t be the preserve of the wealthy. Decent education should be a right, not a privilege.

So it’s time that a privilege for a select few was abolished.

I could not agree more!

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 3:31 pm
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I’ve worked in too many practices that rely on locum and agency GP to make up the sessions to think that its achievable with the work-force we have currently though.

It’s not. We need to retain GPs and for it to be possible to work at it full time, and that’ll cost a lot of money up front. But at the moment we’re applying short term solutions that are actually making things worse in the long run.

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 3:32 pm
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My issue with private education is that selective education seems to benefit those who are selected at the cost for those who are not.

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 3:34 pm
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However I only work three days a week

My GP only works one and a half days a week which adds a tad to his availability. But I value the continuity of care which you referred to and that stops me going elsewhere.

That plus the fact that we are of a similar age and can compare the perils of getting old.

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 3:51 pm
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Sunaks election definitely has a watery theme

Is Starmer actually arranging Rishis schedule?

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 3:58 pm
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its amazing really

Day0 A dead eyed Sunak u-turns & calls a GE in a torrential downpoor drowned out by D-Ream/Steve Bray

Day1 Sunak gets caught out taking staged qs from Tory councilors dressed as warehouse workers, fails to organise a footy chat in a brewery

Day2 (so far) Sunak has to ditch all his flagship policies (including Martyn's law, who's mum he'd promised way back on Day0 would pass b4 summer) CCHQ asks for 100 replacement MPs b4 bank holiday & Sunak tries a relaunch at the place they launched the Titanic

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 4:07 pm
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Day32 With the polls showing cons as the likely 5th party & most Tory MPs left on holiday, Outside Downing St , Sunak riding on the shoulders of a bare chested Gullis challenges Starmer to a joust live on TV each night for 6 consecutive nights

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 4:19 pm
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its amazing really

Day0 A dead eyed Sunak u-turns & calls a GE in a torrential downpoor drowned out by D-Ream/Steve Bray

Day1 Sunak gets caught out taking staged qs from Tory councilors dressed as warehouse workers, fails to organise a footy chat in a brewery

Day2 (so far) Sunak has to ditch all his flagship policies (including Martyn’s law, who’s mum he’d promised way back on Day0 would pass b4 summer) CCHQ asks for 100 replacement MPs b4 bank holiday & Sunak tries a relaunch at the place they launched the Titanic

Meanwhile Starmer doesn't make any news & people don't really know what he's about so on election day vote blue cos they've not seen Starmer in the news for the past 6 weeks.

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 4:24 pm
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Day32 With the polls showing cons as the likely 5th party & most Tory MPs left on holiday, Outside Downing St , Sunak riding on the shoulders of a bare chested Gullis challenges Starmer to a joust live on TV each night for 6 consecutive nights

I reckon Starmer'd win if it came to a kick-up - Sunak might be younger but he's got no balls, he'd cry if you hit him. I'm not saying Starmer's Muhammad "I'm hard" Bruce Lee but I reckon there's more to him.

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 4:25 pm
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Outside Downing St , Sunak riding on the shoulders of a bare chested Gullis challenges Starmer to a joust live on TV each night for 6 consecutive nights

This image made me chuckle far more than it should...

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 4:28 pm
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Meanwhile Starmer doesn’t make any news & people don’t really know what he’s about so on election day vote blue cos they’ve not seen Starmer in the news for the past 6 weeks.

The Venn diagram of who owns most of this lot and who's a Tory might be hard to spot because it's a decent circle.

src="addictivetips.com/app/uploads/2019/11/03_Who-owns-the-news-in-the-UK.png"

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 4:34 pm
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I thought Rishi Sunak sounded quite buoyant yesterday.

Well, he'll soon put that right.

Why in God's name would you visit Titanic Quarter https://t.co/jZTHWLgtzg
— James Heale (@JAHeale) May 24, 2024

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How does one post up twitter links now they've gone full x.com?

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 4:40 pm
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Ohhh FFS, I can't embed images.

Basically you can waste a few minutes of your life squinting a this trying to spot the Lefties in the Guardian and extrapolate from that why you never hear about the Labour party.

addictivetips.com/app/uploads/2019/11/03_Who-owns-the-news-in-the-UK.png

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 4:42 pm
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Awwwww, No Portillo moment for me this time

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn00r2mjyj5o

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 4:59 pm
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Farage only ever one one seat, and look where that got us.

That's a really odd comparison. Farage's party contested and will contest seats across the country. In contrast,  by all accounts, Corbyn is an excellent constituency MP and is standing as an independent.

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 5:00 pm
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I reckon Starmer’d win if it came to a kick-up – Sunak might be younger but he’s got no balls, he’d cry if you hit him. I’m not saying Starmer’s Muhammad “I’m hard” Bruce Lee but I reckon there’s more to him.

There's someone on here that claims Starmer is a secret football hooligan because he supports Arsenal and wore a Stone Island jacket once.

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 5:30 pm
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CCHQ has given local associations until tomorrow lunch time to submit nearly 100 candidates (assuming more Tory MPs dont quit)

this I thought was a genius idea from a Tory MP:

https://conservativehome.com/2024/05/24/tom-hunt-hall-embodies-the-2019-realignment-her-london-campaign-can-br-our-rolemodel/

imagine, 100 Susan Halls!

 
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She wouldn't  be any worse than some of the current remnants. Which is terrifying

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 5:35 pm
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Does Sunak really hate his party so much, he couldn't have timed this any better to maximise the chaos of MPs stepping down, bet his pushed a few more into going who were undecided.

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 6:03 pm
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The full description of the NI visit from the local press is even better

https://t.co/cjP6wNytf3

utterly shambolic

 
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Have I Got News For You should be savage tonight.

But even spiiting image would have a hard time parodying this lot at the moment

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 6:28 pm
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the Prime Minister was having the time of his life, zipping up and down the water on an electric speedboat, under the watchful eyes of the [UK] national media...While the [UK] national media captured the Prime Minister's aquatic adventure, local [NI] reporters were prevented from filming the Prime Minister disembarking the boat and eventually frogmarched to the other side of the road by the Conservative Party's press team to a location where we could merely watch on through a fence.

To be fair, there's been a lot of concern recently about dodgy characters using small boats showing up on the island of Ireland.

 
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Screenshot 2024-05-24 175936

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 7:00 pm
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That Belfast Live report is fantastic!

”like a clown running through a minefield’ 😂

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 7:19 pm
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So Rishi is pictured wearing a life vest in the Titanic Quarter...

There really is a Labour mole in the Tory party isn't there? 👍😂

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 7:21 pm
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Gove standing down. Bye bye Pob

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 8:07 pm
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Mrs Binners is absolutely convinced that it’s Ant and Dec running Sunaks election campaign from behind the scenes

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Posted : 24/05/2024 8:09 pm
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Gove down, whose going to be left for the Portillo moment?

He is a massive loss, the Tories will need experience to keep them together in opposition.

I'm actually quite shocked, it has the feeling that a rout is about to happen

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 8:21 pm
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No way Gove would have gone if he thought he had a chance to stay there.

Their numbers must be horrific for him to be bailing.

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 8:30 pm
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I’m expecting a parcel to arrive sometime soonish, and my doorbell rang about an hour ago, so I rush to the door to find some youngster dishing out cards for the local Conservative candidate, first one I’ve seen in forever. He barely gets eight words out and I tell him “not a chance” and shut the door.

I’m actually quite shocked, it has the feeling that a rout is about to happen

I’m shocked, shocked I tell you! Well, not that shocked. In fact, not shocked at all, really. 🤔

I think ‘rout’ is going to be an understatement. Even my spellcheck does, it predicted those exact words!

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 8:36 pm
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Watching them almost crying in a half-empty leisure centre at 3am is part of the magic of election night. I feel robbed.

Andrea Loathsome too, apparently. Cowards.

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 8:40 pm
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Had the occasion to need the GP for myself this week for the first time in a while. Called receptionist at 8am. Had appointment at 09:20 same day and the meds dispensed by pharmacy by 10am.

Pleasantly surprised. Not sure if that was just luck or the Scottish surgeries are fairing better than down south

@scruff9252 just luck. In Largs people can try over 100x to get a phone call connected to reception and then might get an appointment the same day if it sounds serious enough. It's a shit show, especially after they removed the e-consult option which only worked from 9-5 anyway.

 
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Ol' lil Rishi might have thought it was a surprise and it was a secret. Labour knew it was coming, and probably kept it secret that they knew too, and have hit the ground running here (two labour leaflets already).

 
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Yep, he seems to have a soft spot for charlie.

 
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He'll be editor of The Times or something within six months, whatever ACOBA says.

 
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I rush to the door to find some youngster dishing out cards for the local Conservative candidate, first one I’ve seen in forever. He barely gets eight words out and I tell him “not a chance” and shut the door.

If that happens to me, they’re coming in for a cup of tea, some chocolate biscuits, and a long chat about the intricacies of voting and what the Conservative manifesto might be. We may even open a bottle of wine as we chat long into the night…

Very late on, the Conservative activist will leave my house, an evening wasted, no other voters canvassed, but safe in the knowledge that he’s made another Conservative friend.

Then I’ll send my postal vote for whoever in our area is likely to get the ****ers out. 😈

 
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Without wanting to come across as too sensationalist.....yeah Gove.... probably has substance abuse issues, also various other troubling issues in his personal life.

However, 'The people have all had enough of experts'.....the bloke has been literally one of the most damaging people of a generation.  He is the epitome of the shameful era of populism and genuinely I hope he spends eternity in hell.  Good ****ing riddance and the only solace that I take is that he never got to hold one of the high offices of state, despite craving it almost as much as a bag of premium Peruvian matching powder.  An utter ****ing **** of the highest order.

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 9:29 pm
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The Friday after the GE is the 1st of my Friday days off, going to a 4 day week.

Perfect timing on my part... Thursday 4th July  now looks like ths

- Vote

-  dog walk

- work

- another dog walk

- bike ride

- pub til closing

- watch the collapse of the Tory party in real time, as its not a school night !

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 9:37 pm
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I know a couple of senior civil servants who worked for Gove, and they rated him very highly.

 
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I know a lot of school teachers who still think he was a total and utter cuent.

 
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I know a couple of senior civil servants who worked for Gove, and they rated him very highly.

I’ve heard that from a few sources too. There’s also a reason that he remained a minister even though Johnson detested him for betraying him.

 
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Ol’ lil Rishi might have thought it was a surprise and it was a secret. Labour knew it was coming, and probably kept it secret that they knew too, and have hit the ground running here (two labour leaflets already).

About two days before Rishi Sunak's announcement of the date of the general election I got a huge glossy leaflet from my Tory MP, Chris Philp, telling about all the great things that he's been doing for me, including apparently banning the import of puppies - he helpfully provided a photo of someone holding a puppy, presumably to remind me just how cute puppies are.

I was a bit taken back and it did trigger some suspicion that they were gearing for a general election. Especially as it has always been a very safe Tory seat and they historically put very effort in it. Although I guess that these days not many constituencies can still be regarded as safe Tory seats.

 
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I know a civil servant in Westminster who sees him as a most explosive, unpredictable, destructive ****. He does, however, have that speccy learned politeness that covers up his raging malevolence.

 
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Labour are loving this

https://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1794088899578376669?t=NOp9uZUKyLBZe91N660p8w&s=19

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 9:46 pm
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Gove down, whose going to be left for the Portillo moment?

He is a massive loss, the Tories will need experience to keep them together in opposition.

I’m actually quite shocked, it has the feeling that a rout is about to happen

Oh no!   Who will I vote for without him in Surrey Heath?

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 9:56 pm
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As I said complete meltdown is underpriced

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1794090015674277938?t=mwrCShrRJp4EiL8IflM_gg&s=19

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Posted : 24/05/2024 9:58 pm
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I know a couple of senior civil servants who worked for Gove, and they rated him very highly.

Genuinely, so do I.....his ability to navigate politics and get stuff done is legendary.

I know a lot of school teachers who still think he was a total and utter cuent

Also me!  Combine his policies that were so damaging, with his ability to get them pushed through=probably the most damage done to society since Thatcher.  I genuinely view him as on a par with her in terms of the damage that he's done to this country.

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 10:01 pm
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Andrea Leadsome has thrown in the towel. Who could be next?

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 10:17 pm
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Gove down, whose going to be left for the Portillo moment?

What's 30p Lee looking like? He's probably feeling quite cocky...?.

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 10:19 pm
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It's like Tory bingo game!

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 10:20 pm
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150+ new candidates with minimal vetting 😕 it's going to be a social media bloodbath.

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 10:20 pm
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What’s 30p Lee looking like? He’s probably feeling quite cocky…?.

He's already transitioned into a Farage clone. He'll be connect to throw shit from the sidelines whilst having a TV grift on the go. I'm sure he hopes he'll win for Reform for the extra cash but it's not essential to him.

 
Posted : 24/05/2024 10:23 pm
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