The Ides of July
Poor old rishi.
I've donated to Labour. Will also pick a LibDem local campaign to donate to in a seat they're up against an incumbent Tory. Normally donate to Caroline Lucas' campaign, but with her standing down, would rather switch that to a seat where Greens have a hope of unseating a Tory... is there one?
Let's hope Andrew Feinstein beats Starmer.
"OK Labour, don’t mess up and we should see the tories handed their butts."
Don't underestimate Labour's talent for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory!
Proportional representation referendum ASAP, (but keep it under your hats) to ensure we never again have a govt like this one!
And for the LDs - Mid Sussex - Alison Bennett (new boundaries) is a very possible as local electorates very yellow and remainer, we lose the awful Andrew Griffith who was parachuted in for the last election and remains in Arundel Southdowns (I think that one has been renamed as well as reboundaried).
It appears that Sunak is basing his election campaign on the world being a scary place and he can defend us against it
Goid luck with that, little fella
I'm worried for the lil' guy tonight.
If he kept that suit on and it shrinks he's basically in a straightjacket.
It does seem strange given the Conservative modus operandi..
Has sunak just flipped out and decided he can't be arsed with the hassle any more?
We can but hope…
Maybe Rishi Rich has decided to shaft the nazi right wingers in his dysfunctional party to see most of them ousted. He defo isn't in it for the direct £££ and losing his £170k and a couple of free of rent houses is a meaningless chaff to him.
Let’s hope Andrew Feinstein beats Starmer.
That'd be a well deserved hoof in the nuts for starmer.
The little chap is holding his first election rally in London right now.
Lots of very unhappy Tories loitering around behind him as he does his usual shirt sleeves rolled up, patronising speech. 😂
It appears that Sunak is basing his election campaign on the world being a scary place and he can defend us against it
With our one working aircraft carrier, half a Navy, underfunded Army and an air force that can cobble together a few working aircraft for ceremonial flypasts every few months...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68501370
Thanks Rishi, you're the best!
@susiepic @kelvin the incumbent there is Labour and very popular. Very savvy electorate who are totally behind Greens as Councillors but equally loyal to the Labour MP. I'd be amazed if the Greens got in.
Lol - electoral calculus site is very slow...
Im worried for the lil’ guy tonight. If he kept that suit on and it shrinks he’s basically in a straightjacket.
If his suits shrink the only thing they will fit is an action man
No excuses for not getting a vote in, ignore the nonsense SNP are spouting about holidays https://www.gov.uk/apply-postal-vote
He's just had security manhandle a Sky News team out of one of his events. It really has been a PR masterclass today.
I'm hopeful this will be Sunak's campaign in a nutshell.
How long till he's shouting at babies?
Anyone sweating about being away when postal vote arrives. You can phone your local election office and check when being sent out and if needs get them to send it to a different address.
https://twitter.com/Number10cat/status/1793337370202247372?t=QpVLbVDA6kW90GVZhIyInw&s=19
Twitter is actually back on form at the moment.
Joyous watching that vid of Sky News guy being ejected. First day of campaigning and it's going to shit already! 😂
Sitting at home thinking “oh they’ll get smashed, I won’t bother to vote”
Brexit - Trump - Sunak 2024?
I know Drac already posted something similar, but I appreciate the refinement of this version.
https://twitter.com/Nick_Pettigrew/status/1793335112123261356
My local Tory MP has posted something nice on Twitter about the Labour member for Halifax who is standing down. He has made no mention of the upcoming election. This was about an hour ago. Read into it what you will, but I suspect that the Tories are going to have to find quite a few new candidates in a hurry.
For all those worrying about being away on the day and not getting a postal vote, don't forget you can nominate a proxy to vote for you. As for the house move conundrum: check the rules as it has previously said you voted based on your registered address a certain time before the election date.
I've just read a short piece suggesting that as NI and Scotland are on school holidays, many of the polling station buildings are closed and most of the (usually council) staff needed to oversee an election have holiday booked. This could cause real issues...
Announcing something that hasn’t been properly thought through?
Surely not?
Anyone sweating about being away when postal vote arrives.
Nope. They don’t need signing for so the postman can just stick it through the letterbox.
Anyone else relishing ‘chatting’ with any Tory canvassers with the brass neck to knock on their door?
In the 25 years that have lived in this house, we have never had a Tory canvasser,( nor labour or lib dem to be fair) and only rarely any Tory literature. That’s because it was a very safe blue seat ( 24500 majority) and we live a little out of the main village and I suppose it wasn’t worth their while.
Since the local elections last year where our ward overwhelmingly voted for a green councillor we have had five or six visits from the local green candidate’s canvassers and if their polling is anywhere near correct then it could be close in the general election. I am expecting visits this year from the tories.
How far in advance do postal vote papers arrive? We're away on holiday from the 22 June for 2 weeks, and want to make sure my vote counts to try and oust the current Tory. It's a long shot in our constituency, but worth the effort.
Proxy vote might work better?
I've never hated a government as much as I hate this one (by extension, the people who've been in charge since May 2010). I live in a true blue part of Kent, but Brexit has had a profound effect on local businesses and many local farmers are less than happy, for the Conservatives to have lost these people is a major blunder.
In all honesty, I hated the Labour government under Blair. Fourteen years on an I'm a Labour Party member...
Been onto my kids this evening who are both away at university and have never voted before. Said we would all go up to the booths together. Great news as we were talking about postal votes previously.
Genuinely excited for them as I know they will be after change too, and now, finally, have an opportunity to influence this.
Electoral calculus currently predicts
Labour 472
Tories 85
Lib 50
Snp 19
That would be a fantastic start, but still 85 too many for my liking - remember that some real horrors like John Hayes, Christopher Chope, Sue Ellen and Priti Patel are in relatively safe seats. The next leader of the party is going to be someone quite awful.
Reform are having a press conference in the morning to confirm the nicotine-stained man-frogs involvement in their election campaign.
I’m sure Rishi will be delighted to see his return.
Labour will be ecstatic if he’s going to front Reforms election campaign
jeffl
Full Member
Well in good news my polling station is at the pub.
Should be mandatory. 😁
John Curtice has just suggested on BBC that it is questionable that Nigel Farage might want to give up his generous GB News salary to return to frontline politics.
Andrea Jenkins is on Peston saying that quite a number of them have put letters in about a VONC in Lil Rishi, yet they’re now going to have to campaign for him
@steveb speak to you local election office.They will redirect you postal vote if needs. Mine was really helpful in past when unexpectedly had to be away during an helpful.
Pjm I'd have thought from your name you'd be old enough to remember thatcher and her cronies. You hate this lot more? Wow.
ernielynch
Full Member
John Curtice has just suggested on BBC that it is questionable that Nigel Farage might want to give up his generous GB News salary to return to frontline politics.
He'll only have to give up the gig for 6 weeks though?
Hell, he might as well head Reform and still keep on appearing on his show. Ofcom wont even get around to investigating it till after GB News disappear onto a YT only channel to escape and form of regulation.
you’d be old enough to remember thatcher and her cronies. You hate this lot more? Wow.
Yep, I find that attitude strange too.
Edit : If the user name is a clue PMJ was only five when Thatcher started her onslaught on British society, doubling unemployment, destroying industries, redirecting wealth to the wealthy elite, selling the family silver, and generally screwing up the country until the Tories were forced to sack her.
Pjm I’d have thought from your name you’d be old enough to remember thatcher and her cronies. You hate this lot more? Wow.
Yup, I do remember the Thatcher years - the cruel and sneering politics that sought to blame a productivity malaise on single mothers while our assets were sold off. I hate this lot even more for the fact that they want even more of the same economic vandalism that only serves to enrich their donors.
Andrea Jenkins is on Peston saying that quite a number of them have put letters in about a VONC in Lil Rishi, yet they’re now going to have to campaign for him
And Rory Stewart suggesting more than a few will quit rather than stand and lose.
https://twitter.com/RestIsPolitics/status/1793366280852078967?t=v00z-b5qMSLmPldVOaxS-g&s=19
when Thatcher started her onslaught on British society,
She began it but ever since then its been double down time including on stuff she wouldnt touch with a bargepole.
If she was alive now the ERG, common sense and other of the five inbreds would be attacking her for being a bit of a leftie.
stuff she wouldnt touch with a bargepole.
Not the subject for this thread but I can't think of anything currently that would be too extreme for the woman who talked about not being "swamped" by foreigners, brought in Section 28, and called the Poll Tax her "flagship policy".
PJM1974
Free MemberThat would be a fantastic start, but still 85 too many for my liking – remember that some real horrors like John Hayes, Christopher Chope, Sue Ellen and Priti Patel are in relatively safe seats. The next leader of the party is going to be someone quite awful.
I dunno, I take your point but at the same time I'd be quite happy to see the tories both absolutely humiliated at the polls, and then reduced to being just the absolute worst of the party so that all we see of them for at least a while is absolute arseholes screaming at the bins.
you’d be old enough to remember thatcher and her cronies. You hate this lot more? Wow.
We have paid the price for the shit Thatcher did ever since, she was the start of it. The difference now is that the PM and MPs are more blatant about it and don't care about the consequences.
Bojo comeback in the next 5 years?
Son’s 18th on Tuesday, election announced Wednesday. He already knows who he’s not voting for.
Bojo comeback in the next 5 years?
Depends if he can afford the pay cut.
You know it's bad when the deputy editor of the Conservative Home website writes a piece in the Guardian saying all the MP's are peeved at the timing.
My concerns remain twofold.
A: That the Conservatives have long known that they were going to lose this election and have therefore managed to smash things up and left such a mess that Starmer will be a 1 term PM as the voters will expect him to turn it around unrealistically quickly.
B:Simultaneously the Conservatives in opposition finally morph fully into a post-truth Populist party in the Trump vein. With GB News as their Fox to bang the drum for them.
These are likely to be the two biggest forces in UK politics for the next 5-10 years.
Lest we forget:
'Sir Keir Starmer has defended crediting Margaret Thatcher as a leader who effected "meaningful change".
The Labour leader said Baroness Thatcher set loose Britain's "natural entrepreneurialism" in an article for the Sunday Telegraph.' (2023)
Just realised I have about 20 minutes till I log on and see the announcement that we are in purdah and can't talk politics for 6 weeks.
Anyway, now we know why the civil service pay remit from the Treasury, usually announced in April for a June pay rise (ha, ha) was delayed till "in the summer".
Well explored on the Starmer thread (to death, in fact), I don't think many people are wildly enthusiastic about Starmer personally. He doesn't have Johnson's charisma or Corbyn's cult of personality. I'd like to see more Jess Philips and Lisa Nandy by his side. But moaning about Starmer's lack of perfection and blithely assuming the Tories will lose is a recipe for a Tory-Reform coalition hellscape which by an metric is worse than today or a Starmer government.
Lest we forget:
Indeed. My sense is that people will vote to get the tories out, and not to get Labour in.
My sense is that people will vote to get the tories out, and not to get Labour in.
Labour do not go far enough on the issues I want to see addressed, but voting anything but Labour round here risks a Tory MP.
I'd sooner risk being disappointed by Labour than the certainty of being ****ed over by the Tories. Again.
Are people seriously suggesting Starmer is worse than the current batch of twunts in power? Wow...
Labour will get my postal vote but there has never been a party that got elected and then moved to the left, always to the right. Starmer has already positioned himself on the right. 'Change' means sfa, it was the mantra first of Blair, then Cameron and now this flag fornicator.
This is the eternal labour issue. Some of them would rather remain in opposition and be able to bitch about everything than accept there will never be their socialist utopia.
The venn diagram containing the real world and them never intersects
This is the eternal labour issue. Some of them would rather remain in opposition and be able to bitch about everything than accept there will never be their socialist utopia.
This isnt really supported by the evidence is it? The centrists have demonstrated time and time again they would prefer to lose than have a party not run to their demands. Whereas the left wing still vote for the centrists leaders.
Although obviously this has been put under strain by Starmer and his purges of anyone vaguely leftwing whilst allowing right wing turds into the party.
Vlad, a lot of hyperbole that Starmer isn't all things to all. There are lots of things that frustrate me with how Starmer has gone about rebuilding the labour party, but by eck he looks a safer bet than anything else right now.
I'd rather be disappointed by centrist dad than the headbangers we have now. And hopefully the cautious approach will be eased once in power with a solid mandate. If not, then is the time to moan about him, but not so much to allow the tories back in!
Wow. Sunak is actually campaigning on immigration numbers.
2022: 745,000 net.
Maybe no one's told him the lower the number, the better
Are people seriously suggesting Starmer is worse than the current batch of twunts in power? Wow…
Don't think that's the case. I'm voting Labour but not because of Kier Starmer - I'm very meh about him as are many people I know. But beige is good right now.
I'd like to see more answers about how they will treat Water, NHS, Royal Mail sale to overseas buyers, Personal Tax Allowances etc. Hopefully we'll get more info now the gloves are off.
Lest we forget:
When people of the left say this sort of stuff about a Labour politician it just says to the world that they're wealthy enough that the result doesn't really matter to them and they don't really give two shits about the people for whom it could make a difference.
