northern gobshite shtick
Have you any idea how that comes across?
She's from Stockport, so am I. So South Manchester suburbs. Most of the girls I went to school with are like her. Forthright, take no crap from anyone etc. Why is that so hard to understand? You're making yourself look very silly
but she left her background ago a long time ago. Its just phoney
I grew up in a working class household, my dad was a coal miner (as an aside auto correct changed that to cool moniker!). I left that background around 50 years ago, it doesn't mean I don't still have empathy with it.
Its because I think she is phoney not genuine.
I lived in manchester for a decade. I have friends there. I think I can tell the difference between genuine and phoney.
But I did say its as much about me as her.
No binners - I would be happy if she aknowledged that she is a long way from those roots now.
You shouldn’t take exception to others based on accents, appearances etc. Tut tut
Has anyone got some suedocreme? I have just been burnt to a crisp 🙂
northern gobshite” shtick
bad news - it's not shtick. She really is a northern gobshite 🙂
every legal right to buy and sell a council house for profit
She sold her home in March 2015 for £127k making a profit of £48k apparently, Better than a poke in the eye, but if making this kind of sum on a house sale disqualifies you from being left wing then it looks like most of us on here have to vote tory.
Sorry, late to the party. Got diverted. So anyway, Thornbury - my guess would be, and call me a conspiracist: she's not in the cabinet because she's not very good.
Its the fact it was a council house - so she has removed that house from the stock of council housing. There is one less house for people in need to rent at a fair rent because of her.
No binners – I would be happy if she aknowledged that she is a long way from those roots now.
What would you suggest she should do?
Have one day a week where she has to walk back and too to Iceland to buy some frozen pizzas and Stella, in pink PJ's and a pair of Ugg boots, smoking a Lambert and Butler?
Its the fact it was a council house – so she has removed that house from the stock of council housing. There is one less house for people in need to rent at a fair rent because of her.
When she bought it she likely just wanted some stability in her life, same reason many of us buy homes, and was probably not expecting to be the Deputy Prime Minister any time soon, which she wasn't: it was over 17 years ago,
Shall we do people who rent out property now...?
Other way round Binners - like you do - embrace your middleclassness 🙂
I have working class roots with a fair bit of deprivation - but I do not claim to be working class because I am not.
When she bought it she likely just wanted some stability in her life
You have stability living in a council house - thats the point Her buying and selling it means someone else does not have that chance of living in a council house
You can't win, can you? Either we want social mobility, the idea that someone from a council estate in Stockport can rise to high office, or we don't. Expecting some kind of 'My Fair Lady' act where you drop your accent and pretend you're middle class seems to be the opposite of that.
Interestingly, no-one was telling John Prescott to acknowledge that he'd left his humble roots behind before becoming deputy PM. Seems like a bit of a double standard.
tj - give it a rest; give me some examples which show Angela Rayner to be a 'phony'.
You don't like her? Fine; doubt she would be in the least bit bothered.
Referring to her in derogatory terms in definitely not fine.
She is confident, competent and has never tried to hide her background.
The rationale is that she is pretending to still be that person she was 20 years ago when she probably isn't. It is a difficult one because it happens to a lot of people and there is no right or wrong in if you should outwardly change to a different person.
I certainly have and embrace the middle class life I have while still remembering how shit it was where I was brought up and that is the key thing to me, as said above she has empathy with people still in those circumstances which I believe is not phoney.
It's not just Angela, large parts of the new cabinet are far more 'ordinary' people compared to the Eton / Oxbridge that has been a large part of the last admin.
IDK if you heard but Kier's Dad was a toolmaker?
and while she clearly had every legal right to buy and sell a council house for profit its hardly the act of someone who has left wing morals.
Oh give over TJ. I know loads of working class people who bought their council houses, including my parents and quite a few mates. In every single case it was the only way they could buy their own homes, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with working class people being home owners. Or are you one of these lefties who think all working class people should be poor and exploited by landlords and others? The whole point of being 'left wing' is to lift working class people out of poverty and enable them to better themselves. You seem to want to do the opposite.
There is one less house for people in need to rent at a fair rent because of her.
So we are saying that anyone who took advantage of a Tory policy can no longer claim to be left wing or working class?
I'm not sure you can blame tenants for buying their council houses. You can criticise governments for flogging them off in the first place instead of building more.
Puzzled that TJ sounds a bit mansplainy with a whiff of misogyny when he fails to explain with any rationale why he dislikes her
I did say I didn't know why 🙂 I am fully accepting the burn I got 🙂
Dazh - so her buying that council house means less opportunity for others. Thats a simple fact. Of course there is nowt wrong with buying property but buying a council house is very different because it reduces social mobility for others
and exploited by landlords
~Which doesn't happen if you have a council house but as a result of her actions its now one less person that can have a secure fair rent house so one more family is at the whims of private landlords because she removed that council house fr4m the stock
Its hypocritical
MOIlgrips - if you are supposed to be a principled politician but pull the ladder up after you climbed it? does not sit well with me.
how has AR pulled the ladder up?
Because now there is one less council house for needy folk to live in with a secure tenancy at a fair rent. ONe more family in need is left to the mercies of the privater rented sector.
Lot of griping from someone who couldn't even be bothered to vote.
she removed a house from public ownership in a nation of 60 million people
@tjagain - you need to go for a walk or a ride to clear your head. You are coming across as a vexatious prejudiced twerp right now.
You are also taking the moral high ground from a poorly informed position. You simply don't know all the details. And bizarrely behaving like an inverted snob and a misguided champagne socialist at the same time. Give it a rest
To use a common Manc expression "No need for it !!!"
Listen to Angela Rayner in interviews like the ones she does with matt forde on the political party podcast and you will know it isn't put on. She is highly intelligent and bloody funny, but yes she is def northern.
Northern gobshite shtick? - Showing some rather unpleasant prejudice there tj
I like Angela Rayner. I feel her experience is similar to mine. Actually, as a teenage single mum she had a far tougher start to life than I had. I like that she's unpolished, and hasn't lost sight of what it's like to grow up close to poverty, if not actually in it. I'd much rather have her representing us in parliament than another cloistered Oxford / Cambridge graduate (more of that in a minute).
I'm the son of a tool maker, and my mum grew up in a council house. That's pretty working class. However, I also have 3 university degrees, one of which is a DPhil. from Oxford. All of these were accomplished due to funding (via stipends and grants, and tuition fees paid) from the government of the day (a Labour government, btw).
So, should I consider myself middle-class now? I could do. I have a good job and a nice house in a lovely part of the country. However, my attitude is still different (I believe) to those that had a more moneyed upbringing, especially those who went to private / independent schools. I mixed with children from very different backgrounds at school, and I think that brings you empathy. I would never dream of sending my children to private school, as I want them to have the same experience as I had, and they have friends from different groups. In contrast, at private school you will only meet the same kind of people.
Anyway, I'm not sure what I'm trying to say. Probably that your childhood has much more impact on who you are than what you accomplish as an adult.
Edit: I'm also northern (Burnley-ish) but don't live there anymore. The North will rise again.
Because now there is one less council house for needy folk to live in with a secure tenancy at a fair rent.
There wouldn't have been one if she had stayed renting it either, would there? You're clutching at straws. Especially as you're a private landlord yourself which helps to push prices up for those who do want to buy.
Anyway. I don't give a shit where she lives, I want to know what she's going to do for the country. You might think that having done something you think was morally feeble 17 years ago that she's bound to do something immoral now - but I don't agree. She might, but let's wait and find out.
The Truss Moment described and the short run upto it at the count.
For your entertainment.
Elshalimo - I think there is some stuff not getting across here. Its not snobbery or champagne socialism. I just find her irritating because of the two things described ie the emphasis on the northern working class when she left that a long time ago - its something I have always found irritating when middle class folk claim to be working class rather than claiming "working class roots" and I find the council house thing hypocritical
I will accept fully she is bright, driven and able. No issue with that. You never know - she might even push Starmer to the left and probably quite effective in government
I far prefer her to Cooper for example who fiddled expenses to become rich - also legal but immoral and also to Streeting who takes huge sums from private medicine.
It’s not just Angela, large parts of the new cabinet are far more ‘ordinary’ people compared to the Eton / Oxbridge that has been a large part of the last admin.
There's more alumni from Parrs Wood High School in the cabinet (2) than Eton.
According to my godson, who should not try and make it three!
large parts of the new cabinet are far more ‘ordinary’ people compared to the Eton / Oxbridge that has been a large part of the last admin.
and I think than previous labour administrations? More state school pupils? Can only be a good thing
There’s more alumni from Parrs Wood High School in the cabinet (2) than Eton.
According to my godson, who should not try and make it three!
Good writeup on the Beeb covering this and a few more statistics including gender and ethnicity.
I thought is was just the Telegraph making stuff up
But nope the Green co-leader is going full NIMBY trying to block new renewables infrastructure :scratch:
The problem was that Thatcher forbid the councils from building more houses to replace the ones that were bought by long term renters.
One of the many reasons the economy of fhooked is that so much of it is based on the housing market value (rather than actual creating something) - it's like a giant Ponzi scheme.
The Truss Moment described and the short run upto it at the count.
For your entertainment.
The thing that gets me here is the insistance that electoral failure is due to not delivering what they promised, rather than realising people largely didn't want what they promised. Fine - stay out of office if you insist.
Our new minister (Steve Reed - Defra) has just held a session to introduce his priorities.
He's normal. Doesn't appear to resent the role, on the face of it seems to understand the issues and you'd trust him to walk your dog.
A stark contrast from the last few years.
I thought is was just the Telegraph making stuff up
But nope the Green co-leader is going full NIMBY trying to block new renewables infrastructure
As I understand it, the National Grid want it done on the cheap (pylons), locals want them to spend more and use underground/undersea cables instead. Not sure why supporting the latter is a conflict of interest for Green?
The ban on onshore wind lifted? I think she referred to it as nonsensical. Absolutely bloody right!
It wasn't a ban, but the planning conditions were so onerous that only two have been built in recent years. I played a small part in one of them.
They've also said that they will rescind the ministerial statement on the disapplication of net zero planning policy. Good news.
As I understand it, the National Grid want it done on the cheap (pylons), locals want them to spend more and use underground/undersea cables instead. Not sure why that’s a conflict of interest for Green?
tunnels through picturesque tory constituencies is what blew up the cost of HS2 ! and has been rumbling on for over a year now, back & forth in consultation for the energy infrastructure for a new windfarm, even though tunnels are much more expensive, have a higher environmental impact,, more expensive to maintain, take much longer and have a bigger carbon footprint
this is about protecting the view, which is a valid argument I suppose
you’d trust him to walk your dog.
A stark contrast from the last few years
Tory MP Mark Menzies interviewed by police over claims he got dog drunk and started brawl with friend
Friend reportedly had to spend almost £500 getting emergency vet to treat dog for 'intoxication'
Funny scenario - Imaging its 1945, and father/brother/uncle returns to Clacton from fighting in ww2 and their kid reaches 18(or voting age)
' well now son, you've reached voting age, so who are you going to vote for ? '
'I'm going to vote for the fascist party'
Demobbed soldier checks pack for army issue bayonet.
It's certainly something you could remind those voters on Remembrance Sunday.
tunnels through picturesque tory constituencies is what blew up the cost of HS2 ! and has been rumbling on for over a year now, back & forth in consultation for the energy infrastructure for a new windfarm, even though tunnels are much more expensive, have a higher environmental impact,, more expensive to maintain, take much longer and have a bigger carbon footprint
I believe the preferred option for the campaigners is to use off-shore cables for further, and come on-shore near Tilbury (where it's needed) rather than go over Suffolk/Essex/Etc.
No tunnels needed.
Previous cable that came on-shore was buried (admittedly only covered 25 miles), was impressive to see the trench along such a distance at the time. Would barely know it was there now (about 5 years later).
the connectors then require more infrastructure
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TJ you can’t lay the blame for lack of council housing at the door of people who bought council houses.
which I didn't. What I said was a labour politician / activist who did this knowing the political and social implications gives me a nasty taste in my mouth. She climbed the ladder and pulled it up after her because her actions ensured that that council house was not going to be there for a family in need.
To me this is hypocritical
I made no comment on general members of the public doing it
Can I also point out I said I do believe Raynor is bright, capable and driven. good qualities to have in government.
I thought is was just the Telegraph making stuff up
But nope the Green co-leader is going full NIMBY trying to block new renewables infrastructure
See also, any Green councilor. They'll talk about the housing crisis nationally, but as soon as it comes to sitting in opposition at a council meeting will block any development they can.
I like fields. I also don't really like that the price of a 4-bed detached (i.e. nice, but not that nice) round here is rapidly creeping towards a million.
I made no comment on general members of the public doing it
She was a member of the public when she did it.
Have we done "some Reform candidates appear not to exist" yet?
She was a family in need though, she bought the house eight years before she was an mp ans sold it 5 years before she was an mp. Are you suggesting labour party activists, councillors, members can't buy their council house either? You're off your tits if so.
think TJ's been drinking the gammon flavoured kool aid
pondo
Full Member
The Truss Moment described and the short run upto it at the count.For your entertainment.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crgrz2d77lgo/em >
The thing that gets me here is the insistance that electoral failure is due to not delivering what they promised, rather than realising people largely didn’t want what they promised. Fine – stay out of office if you insist.
I know, the lack of ability by Truss and other Tories to face the reality of why they lost the election is scary. Why scary? These patently incompetent ideological zealots have been running the country for years. They should never have been anywhere near government, they fact they were voted in and empowered by a morally bankrupt party is shameful and tragically sad.
think TJ’s been drinking the gammon flavoured kool aid
... the variant that temporarily turns you from a normal person to a misogynistic, Manc-hating, anti-ginger . ?
I don't believe he's any of those things but continuing the argument will end up in further stupid comments. Next thing it will be that her curtains are the wrong shade of lilac and her wee smells of aspargus 'cos she's not a real socialist !!
If this was a pub brawl I reckon Rayner would win !
Another reason for a lower turnout, not unexpected.
If this was a pub brawl I reckon Rayner would win !
I'm not taking that bet! Im a lover not a fighter
???
Er. I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure you were the one , a few pages back, saying that Labour losses weren’t due to a Muslim vote. Make up your mind
No not me. Someone else called Ernie? Didn't all five pro-Palestine independents win in seats formally held by Labour and in areas with high Muslim populations?
Labour has lost half a million votes since the previous general election, the idea that this was all down to one single factor isn't feasible. It was obviously down to a variety of issues, including Starmer's preelection position on Gaza which was clearly not popular with many Muslim voters.
Presumably some people appear to be denying or greatly minimising Gaza as an election issue because it doesn't fit in comfortably with their preferred narrative. I suspect that 5 independents in one UK general election is unprecedented. The one thing all 5 have in common was opposition to Starmer's stance, and the fact that they were all former Labour Party members.
Although that stance seems to be now shifting (I don't remember Starmer criticising the Tory government for trying to disrupt Netanyahu's arrest) something which I greatly welcome.
Personally I like Angela Rayner, I like her a lot. I have heard heard her speak at rallies and she is excellent.
I certainly trust her more than most Labour MPs but I don't trust her quite as much as I like her.
What's she supposed to do with a house she doesn't need because she's got married? She can't reasonably hand it back. There's no suggestion she was holding a gun to someone to force them to buy at above market prices. You can't be a left wing landlord.
We should really do the 'apparently' ai generated reform candidate. I mean it's clearly in no one's interest to look into that! (Well maybe the Tories, but not labour and not reform!)
In other news...cameron resigns from sunak's shadow cabinet; what a surprise...not.
locals want them to spend more and use underground/undersea cables instead.
There is neither the time nor do I want to spend more money than necessary on this (our standing charges will fund this not central government nor national grid). Off shore may be cheaper but is more vulnerable to Russian interference and repairs will take longer than onshore. There's all ready one transmission line along the route that has just had it's capacity increased by 50% an extra line is not going to detract from the view it's all ready ruined.
It's almost like a few posters can't let go of the aggro after 14 years and are now having to pick fights over minutiae and irrelevances to satisfy that need. It's been less than 100 hours...
Mind you, I am interested in the Angela Rayner dancing in denim shorts footage... I can't find it on YT.
My FB feed is full of vids of Lauren Bell doing tiktok dances - presumably because I googled her once to prove to someone that she was also a pro-level track cyclist.
:scratch:
Mind you, I am interested in the Angela Rayner dancing in denim shorts footage… I can’t find it on YT.
It's on X, GBeebies went a bit mad over it... as they basically get angry over... everything.
GBeebies just couldn't handle it.
The only acceptable dancing for them is either gove off his tits raving, or pritti awful and niggle farridge getting their groove on
Lauren Bell the cyclist is not (also) Lauren Bell the cricketer.
Lauren Bell the cyclist is not (also) Lauren Bell the cricketer.
Bloody Nora, you're right!
Reform UK under pressure to prove all its candidates were real people. ruddy 'eck you couldn't make it up!
It really says something that those of us who voted in person needed to prove our identity at the polling booth, but Britain’s leading modern-day Hitler fashion tribute’s limited company was apparently able to run made up people for elected office in the same election.
This obsession with Angela Raynor is bizarre. Its almost like the 6 months of constant negative press attacks in the run up has influenced people so they cant let it go.
Even those who, apparently, are impossible to influence :wacko:
Reform UK under pressure to prove all its candidates were real people.
Theory is that if they had got 6 MPs then they would receive additional government Short Money for each vote cast. Not like Tice and Farage to work out new ways to grift off the tax-payer. Of course now they are MPs the scrutiny will ratchet up a few notches.
