[Closed] UFC Content - Did Aldo Take a Dive?

from the original 'top dog got unexpectedly whacked WTF?' post.

More like "I'm not buying that, he took a dive for sure, no way was that a knockout punch"

followed by my club TKD would kill them all . some backtracking, some wriggling but no grappling, no sense and the potato defence

Was going to post more but battery went and needed food!

Wanmankylung...what's your response to the above? The're just a small number the list goes on...anyone in your club quite like Sage? He must be the epitome of superb martial artist must he not?

Succesful troll is succesful. 7 pages, 244 posts....

troll

Very generous.

I don't think so.

Trolls don't backtrack.

Wanmankylung...what's your response to the above? The're just a small number the list goes on...anyone in your club quite like Sage? He must be the epitome of superb martial artist must he not?

What's my response to the above? My response to the above is that none of them are what I would call spectacular or impressive. There's an 18 year old lad in our club has 14 world titles, 22 European titles, 80 odd national titles in TKD and Kickoxing, but he can't get into the national team. He fights his own weight division, the one above it and the one above that. He fights cadet and senior. He won the scottish title last year beating the national team captain who is his intructor. That's impressive. He was offered a place on the olympic development squad but turned it down because he wants to stay with his club and help to coach youngsters. That's impressive.

How many ADCC champions are there in your local BJJ club?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah....LMFAO.

Just read this back to yourself..."He won the scottish title last year beating the national team captain who is his intructor. That's impressive." Yet "none of them are what I would call spectacular or impressive. "

Sounds like he's on for winning gold in Brazil next year then before storming the UFC and becoming Champion in 2 years time like Connor...oh no wait he can't get in the national team but he's still much much more spectacular than UFC champions and fighters that have won 'real' world titles and competed in the Olympics!

Oh hang on "He was offered a place on the olympic development squad but turned it down because he wants to stay with his club and help to coach youngsters. That's impressive."

Were you aware that nearly all UFC fighters coach as well (young and old) many have their own gyms but nothing compared to your mate...he doesn't need to be in the Olympics...why would he...he's already the greatest fighter of all time...doesn't need to prove it...now that is impressive.

Lol

How many ADCC champions are there in your local BJJ club?

How the hell would I know?

Some dude called Rick Young runs it.

Bet you have a mate quicker than Danny Hart DH in the mud that can do bigger 360 drops than Kam Zink too but chooses not to compete too! 😉

is he good enough to train with you or is he too intimidated by your tKD boys ?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah....LMFAO.

Just read this back to yourself..."He won the scottish title last year beating the national team captain who is his intructor. That's impressive." Yet "none of them are what I would call spectacular or impressive. "

Sounds like he's on for winning gold in Brazil next year then before storming the UFC and becoming Champion in 2 years time like Connor...oh no wait he can't get in the national team but he's still much much more spectacular than UFC champions and fighters that have won 'real' world titles and competed in the Olympics!

Oh hang on "He was offered a place on the olympic development squad but turned it down because he wants to stay with his club and help to coach youngsters. That's impressive."

Were you aware that nearly all UFC fighters coach as well (young and old) many have their own gyms but nothing compared to your mate...he doesn't need to be in the Olympics...why would he...he's already the greatest fighter of all time...doesn't need to prove it...now that is impressive.

Lol

Can I have that in coherent sentences now please?

On a more serious note, if that's really genuinely how you're reading what I wrote up there it might be worth visiting your GP because it's so far away from what was actually written that it's worrying. You had any head injuries or bangs to the head?

Have you been to elevenerife

your trolling is getting increasingly personal now - you actually edited to add the paragraph of personal stuff 😯
Bit tragic .

your trolling is getting increasingly personal now - you actually edited to add the paragraph of personal stuff
Bit tragic .

I edited to express concern. If that's interpreted by you as trolling or tragic then that's your problem not mine.

How come your 18 year old mate isn't doing MMA? He can still do his club coaching in his soare time.

How come your 18 year old mate isn't doing MMA? He can still do his club coaching in his soare time.

Erm - he doesn't want to? He's happy with what he does? Doesn't think that UFC is the pinnacle of martial arts?

Bangs to the head yes...knocked out with a kick to the head whilst kickboxing and twice falling from my bike!

I'm reading it as, your not impressed by world class athletes who have won some serious martial arts tournaments on a world stage and achieve a high level in the world of full contact MMA but appear very impressed by a talented youth in your club who has won some national competitions but can't make it into the national team...it does sound a little silly think about it, the rest was just an sarcastic exaggeration expanding on what it sound like you were implying.

I won't call the out of hours GP...reckon I'll be fine.

You've still missed most of what was said. If your KO was recent get yourself checked out. I'm seriously not taking the piss.

There's an 18 year old lad in our club has 14 world titles, 22 European titles, 80 odd national titles in TKD and Kickoxing, but he can't get into the national team. He fights his own weight division, the one above it and the one above that. He fights cadet and senior.

That can hardly be described as "some national titles" and it's way more than any of the people who you listed on previous pages have won.

Assuming that most are Junior titles beings he's 18? Sorry to say but with all the different organisations they're not really world titles are they? The only folk that turn up are those with the time, money and inclination to bother unlike the Olympics where it's genuinely the best in the world from the whole world, I mean what is the qualifying process to be selected to attend the competitions? If he can't make it onto the National team how can he win a world title? One assumes most if not all of his own national team members are better than him?

Anyway who has he fought of any standout notability? All the fighters I've mentioned have fought the worlds best.

At the end of it all you clearly have no fondness for UFC as it's an inferior sport in your opinion with a bunch of loser brawlers that have no credentials or skills that could ever impress you or your mates who are world champions of much higher regard so I guess we may as well end the thread.

Aldo took a dive, Connor can't punch, no serious martial artist would waste their time competing in the UFC.

PS please do not have any concern for my well being the most recent head injurybwasb7 years ago, all checked out and clear apart from they did mention I may suffer from a delusion that MMA fighters are credible martial artists...go figure!

Main Achievements (Judo)

Olympic Bronze

My response to the above is that none of them are what I would call spectacular or impressive.

Come on mate, you're sounding a little ridiculous now.

How many ADCC champions are there in your local BJJ club?

wanmankylung

How the hell would I know?

And yet you boldly asserted...

wanmankylung

I'd put money on atleast half of my TKD clubs members whipping both or their arses. Same with the local BJJ and boxing clubs.

...without knowing anything about grappling or your local club. You should also know that your local Kickboxing club members won't whip K1 champions, and it's highly unlikely that members of your local boxing club would beat professional fighters who train with the best boxing instructors in the world, like Freddie Roach, just for example.

But yeah, your local TKD club members would whip the worlds most elite fighters in a point scoring dance.

dunno about skillz but you lot have some stamina, fo' sho'

(and, every time you say "grappling", I get this):

"Should I ??"

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There's an 18 year old lad in our club has 14 world titles, 22 European titles, 80 odd national titles in TKD and Kickoxing, but he can't get into the national team.

pondo +1

Does that not show a lack of value to his titles?

What you're missing on a lot of these titles (in tkd) is that the same person, on the same day can win (for example)

light weight, middle weight, heavy weight sparring

Breaking (hand) breaking (foot)

High kick

Patterns

Team Patterns

Weapons

so that's something like 9 titles on one day, and it sounds very much like he fights above his weight / age so very very likely.

I don't think anyone's going to be in doubt that someone with a high kick national title will wup a professional MMA fighter.

World champion high kicker? 😯
Is it cheerleading?

no the TDK competitors are less pretty and not as tough but they are the better dancers

As Mike Tyson said, "Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the face"

(and, every time you say "grappling", I get this):

"Should I ?

More like this. First two minutes are them just playing chess. Guy in red is my mate. Nicknamed "Judo".

Oh, and to be clear. apologies for getting the two different world TKD championships held in Italy within a month of each other mixed up.
I think that also shows the idiocy of the 'World champs' label, when different organisations of the same sport have their own world titles. I've fought at a couple of 'World Championships', with a best place of 3rd in heavy weight sparing. That's actually nothing more than an interclub 3rd place and I sure as hell wouldn't get into a ring with one of the top mma guys.

@ wrecker - the high kick is for juniors, more as a bit of fun and shows flexibility. To be clear, and it is taught in this way, sport TKD sparring has NOTHING to do with fighting.

@ wrecker - the high kick is for juniors, more as a bit of fun and shows flexibility.

I bet it is indeed fun, but attaching a world champion title to it? Really?

Am I the only one who supposes there could actually be an advantage (to some) of "fighting" heavier weight competitors in TKD? If you can jump around like a flea won't you be faster than your opponent, hence score points easier?

I know nothing about UFC and never watch it. Well, that's slightly untrue, i know that i wouldn't want to get in a ring with any of them.

but one thing that confuses me is why they punch differently to boxers? they seem to use a slap type punch as opposed to a 'normal' punch.

I did also see a comedian somewhere, possibly live and he had a routine whereby his mates had put him in the ring for his stag do. It seemed based on truth and apparently he got a total ar$e whupping.

They are punching with very different gloves, and the defensive position they have to return to is different due to the range of attacks they might have to defend against, that follow through to defensive path exaggerates the difference in the punch imo.

@ Rob, it certainly is, however the good heavy weights are just very lanky, with a massive reach, and not slow either!

@ MTB-idle - I think it's due to being ready to defend kicks, takedowns etc, so the close in 'chambering' of the punch is different to boxers, happy to be corrected on this though.

but one thing that confuses me is why they punch differently to boxers? they seem to use a slap type punch as opposed to a 'normal' punch.

a 'normal' punch with 4 oz gloves is very good at breaking your knuckles?

What you're missing on a lot of these titles (in tkd) is that the same person, on the same day can win (for example)

light weight, middle weight, heavy weight sparring

Breaking (hand) breaking (foot)

High kick

Patterns

Team Patterns

Weapons

so that's something like 9 titles on one day, and it sounds very much like he fights above his weight / age so very very likely.

Yeah, it's being missed despite already being there for all to see.

There's an 18 year old lad in our club has 14 world titles, 22 European titles, 80 odd national titles in TKD and Kickoxing, but he can't get into the national team. He fights his own weight division, the one above it and the one above that. He fights cadet and senior.

All of his titles are for sparring.

a 'normal' punch with 4 oz gloves is very good at breaking your knuckles?

Not if the technique is good.

MTB-Idle

but one thing that confuses me is why they punch differently to boxers? they seem to use a slap type punch as opposed to a 'normal' punch.

In an nutshell different threats mean a different stance, different weight distribution/bias, in addition to different wraps and different gloves.

Some fighters will choose a grappling wrap, others will choose a striking wrap. Each have pros and cons.

Not if the technique is good.

if you hit a hard object like a head, with a 'boxing' style punch, developed from having the comfort of 16oz gloves with only 4 oz gloves on, you run a big risk of breaking something.

http://www.economist.com/news/international/21639765-bare-knuckle-fights-would-break-more-hands-fewer-heads-hang-up-boxing-gloves

but obviously not in your world...

Seriously, 14 world titles at 18? Who is he? He must have been winning junior worlds since he was 4!
Please don't say he's won more than 1 world championship for 1 age / weight group in any 1 year or it's going to sound bobbins.

Please don't say he's won more than 1 world championship for 1 age / weight group in any 1 year or it's going to sound bobbins.

I wrote:

There's an 18 year old lad in our club has 14 world titles, 22 European titles, 80 odd national titles in TKD and Kickoxing, but he can't get into the national team. He fights his own weight division, the one above it and the one above that. He fights cadet and senior.

You wrote:

What you're missing on a lot of these titles (in tkd) is that the same person, on the same day can win (for example)
light weight, middle weight, heavy weight sparring

Breaking (hand) breaking (foot)

High kick

Patterns

Team Patterns

Weapons

so that's something like 9 titles on one day, and it sounds very much like he fights above his weight / age so very very likely.

I wrote:

There's an 18 year old lad in our club has 14 world titles, 22 European titles, 80 odd national titles in TKD and Kickoxing, but he can't get into the national team. He fights his own weight division, the one above it and the one above that. He fights cadet and senior.

You wrote:

Seriously, 14 world titles at 18? Who is he? He must have been winning junior worlds since he was 4!
Please don't say he's won more than 1 world championship for 1 age / weight group in any 1 year or it's going to sound bobbins.

I lolled.

So glad that smurfmat is back in the fold 😆

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This video shows that Aikido is the true king of martial arts.

now who's trolling?

Umm..... it was supposed to be a joke. Terribly sorry.

Skipped the last 3 pages but I do have a quick question. How much do you reckon the top guys earn in UFC? (i have no idea). I assume its in the hundreds of thousands at least?

Next question is how much do the top guys in Wanman's club make (including their day jobs)

Surely if every black belt trained martial artist could kick the crap out of them in the octagon then why aren't they earning the big bucks in the UFC?

Is it because

a:they're all pasifists, and they feel its to violent
b: they don't want to earn huge amounts of cash fighting infront of 20 thousand addoring fans in the MSG
c: Wanma is full of absolute shit...

There was a kid at my school who was a bit different.. Like the speccy gadge from The Inbetweeners in a school full of pikeys, farmers and suburban trash..
He had a tough time..

He'd taken aikido lessons over the summer one year and chose to give a presentation in front of the English class on the power of harnessing chi..

He picked his nemesis, a particularly nasty little scrote, to be his victim for the purpose of the demonstration..
Unfortunately he had drastically underestimated the killer instinct of your standard predatory feral toerag..

Things did not end well for the young aikido student 🙁

see mike tyson quote above.

[i]everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth[/i]

tpbiker

Skipped the last 3 pages but I do have a quick question. How much do you reckon the top guys earn in UFC? (i have no idea). I assume its in the hundreds of thousands at least?

It varies from fighter to fighter, depending on their profile. Speaking in dollars, and excluding other sponsorship deals they may have you might typically expect mid ranked fighters on a UFC undercard to earn $20-30 thousand a fight. They may then receive a win bonus $20,000) and performance of the night bonus ($50,000) and if they are involved in fight of the night $50,000 whether they win or lose.

So the same fighter might come away with $150,000 as the UFC wants to incentivise fighters to perform. The higher up the ranks a fighter goes, the more they make. They also have personal sponsors which can earn them $100,000 to $1million a year.

Someone like Conor McGregor or Jose Aldo will get a minimum contracted amount ie $500,000 for Conor and $400,000 for Jose last weekend but tied into that they will earn a percentage of PPV and gate revenue. It's safe to assume Conor got at least $2million (which he got for fighting Mendes), but it has been rumoured he earned as much as $15 million. The UFC generally try not to disclose these amounts.

He then has personal sponsorship deals with Reebok and Monster as well as appearing on the cover of the latest EA sports UFC game with Rousey who is rumoured to earn around $10million pa.

Skipped the last 3 pages but I do have a quick question. How much do you reckon the top guys earn in UFC? (i have no idea). I assume its in the hundreds of thousands at least?

McGregor got $500k on saturday

but, the guys fighting at the bottom of the card, and who lost got $20 or $30k

Next question is how much do the top guys in Wanman's club make (including their day jobs)

Well they all run their own very successful enterprises. They all live in very nice parts of Edinburgh and I'd be very surprised if any of them earn less than £300k/yr. They are probably exceptions to the rules though.

I'd be very surprised if any of them earn less than £300k/yr.

😆

wml, you are [url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Mitty ]Walter Mitty[/url] and I claim my £5

If they're sitting on skills that could earn them millions, why are they bothering with the small change stuff? Lack of ambition, is disappoint.

Are you ok wanmankylung? Suffered any head traumas recently? Seriously, I'm actually quite concerned for you. 😉

unlikely as his behaviour seems unaffected

where is this Gym? the best fighters in the world, who are all millionaires?

seems to good to be true.

Where exactly is this stupendous institution full of one-percenter 'kick to kill' TKD assassins? Is it like that bit in IT Crowd except with underground 'Street Kicks'? Is there a sign over the door saying 'TOO DANGEROUS FOR THE LIKES OF YOU'?

Rockplough - Member

Where exactly is this stupendous institution full of one-percenter 'kick to kill' TKD assassins? Is it like that bit in IT Crowd except with underground 'Street Kicks'? Is there a sign over the door saying 'TOO DANGEROUS FOR THE LIKES OF YOU'?

I think it's on an Island somewhere off the coast of China. It's not on any maps, doesn't show up on GPS but once every hundred years a chosen few will receive an invitation to fight there to determine who is earth's greatest hero.

Anyway, enough of this sad man. Anyone looking forward to this weekends fights? I think I'm as excited about this card as last weekend.

Donald Cerone vs Rafael dos Anjos
Junior Dos Sanos vs Alistair Overeem
Nate Diaz vs Michael Johnson.

I mean, none of them have any martial arts skills, (apart from multiple kickboxing and Muay Thai world champs, BJJ world champs, multiple times K1 Grand Prix championships)

and I'd be very surprised if any of them earn less than £300k/yr.

Hehe. This is the thread that keeps on giving.

Also, I bet when they sharpen knives, they get so sharp they have to inform NATO as they are classed as WMD's.

And all their dads were kicked out of the SAS for being too hard.

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I'd be very surprised if any of them earn less than £300k/yr

agree about this weeks fights, and there's some crackers after new year too...

I'd be very surprised if any of them earn less than £300k/yr

FFS mate give up!

You are coming across as an absolute ball bag.

I cannot believe this thread is still going.

I think it's because it keeps on giving.

Junkyard - lazarus

I'd be very surprised if any of them earn less than £300k/yr

that18 year old has done very well for himself

And you think I'm struggling to keep up! This is great. Certainly filling the dead time until Christmas!

You are coming across as an absolute ball bag.

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De?

If they all earn that much they should chip in and get an architect to design them a gym in the shape of an enormous can of whoopass.

Donald Cerone vs Rafael dos Anjos
Junior Dos Sanos vs Alistair Overeem
Nate Diaz vs Michael Johnson.

All tough calls but great card like you say... I'm going

Dos Anjos
Dos Sanos
Johnson

wanmankylung - your making me smile more and more each time I log on 🙂 please continue.

Don't reckon any guys at my local martial arts club earns over £50k (probably not close) but I may be wrong but saing that I wasn't training with the worlds most elite martial artists.

Certainly interesting fights. What's making it more interesting is the increased drug testing. In the old days fighters were caning testosterone amongst other things, but now they can't. A lot of people have made two very interesting points, fighters were running out of steam very early in the fights, and a lot of fighters have lost a lot of bulk, Aldo being one of them.

Something to bear in mind when betting Dos Anjos for the win

This thread is for the pedantic.......leave it alone now.....forget it, life's too short.....I don't mind that he objected to my description that triggered all this crap...... 🙄
Seriously you will never convince someone that doesn't accept that you can have an opinion on something and or use the wrong description...........
I wonder how many martial artists I could talk to in a pub without knocking them out 😆

I was asked how much the people i train with earn in a year. I gave an answer. Is it beyond belief that a senior partner in a law firm, a guy who runs several very successful companies, a guy who owns a massive electrical wholesaler, a guy who runs an insurance company, all earn £300k/yr+ and are successful in martial arts. There's probably a link. In the club there's also a head teacher of an exclusive private school, a professor of quantum physics, a couple of consultant physicians.

There's a lesson here - dont assume that because your experience doens't match with others that it doesn't and can't happen.

A parting shot - an opinion is like an anus, if you probe too deeply things get messy very quickly. It's best to only probe people who you know and like.

Cheerie.

This is going off on a complete tangent but does anyone else think that the ring girls look completely out of place?

I thought it was weird the first time I saw a women's fight. I'm not sure if I thought they should be men up there holding the cards or something but to me having some models walk round the ring while the fighters were getting there cuts seen to and trying to recover enough to get back into battle was bizarre. Then I started to think they looked really out of place in the men's events too.

It's a three round fight, I think I can remember which round we're in.

Britney and Arianne are pretty much part of the "brand". Arguably better known than a lot of the fighters!

[s]Cheerie[/s] Tìoraidh

FTFY 🙂

If you got rid of them do you reckon there'd be a drop in gate and PPV revenue?

I could be wrong but MMA always struck me as trying to be more progressive.

senior partner in a law firm,

Of course!

So the other Senior Partners from the Law Firm are happy for him to be risking serious injury sparring with you and your mates.

a guy who runs an insurance company

Runs an insurance company????

all earn £300k/yr+

They discuss their salaries with you?

Where is your gym by the way? Canary Wharf or in The City?