[Closed] UFC Content - Did Aldo Take a Dive?

Can I point out that as a quite practiced martial artist (TKD ITF Black Belt, Kick boxing Black belt, BJJ pussy) I wouldn't stand a bloody chance.

If you do really believe this you are completely deluded and I assume, about 12. How many full contact fights have you, or anyone at your clubs had in the last year? It's a completely different thing to any kind of 'points' sparring.

I thought there was a GB team not a scottish team at the last world champs (Italy) anyway?

How many full contact fights have you, or anyone at your clubs had in the last year?

So you practice a lot of full contact at your TKD clubs? Some lads you lot are!
Yes. Lots. Why does this come as a surprise?

He's already answered that question!

Yeah, I had my jaw broken by one once.

Won the fight though as the guy got broken ribs with the counter. Nice spar that was.

So basically you and your mates turn up and just kick seven bells of shit out of each other?

How do you get any training done when you are breaking each others jaws when sparring?

He really hasn't. There's a lot of difference between uncontrolled sparring and a proper fight against a pro or even semi pro opponent.
Certainly the best TKD / Kick boxing fighter at my clubs was knocked out the weekend before for a UK title fight (he already held a couple of belts). I'd put money on him being better than most of your club as he was actually selected for the [b]Great Britain[/b] team at the recent ITF world champs.

Also, in the picture, #4, Mirco Cro Cop. If you think he hasn't got a kick, then you really, really don't have a clue.

Holy shit, this thread went from 0-60 while I was away!

Whilst I don't want to feed the troll I can't resist pointing out to Wanmanylung that the UFC ranks are coming down with Olympians and world champions in virtually every combatitive art. To say nothing of the K1 kickboxers and Pancrase champions or the Abhu Dabi champions and Metamoris champions.

Perhaps he should ask the guys at his local BJJ club what they think of Nick Diaz or Damian Maia, Jacare, or Fabrico Werdum or Rousimar Palhares or the Nogeuiras.

Even then, it's all moot. It's all well and good being able to pull of a perfect gogoplata or flying arm bar but trying doing while you're getting punched or elbowed in the face, covered in sweat and blood with no gi. Same thing for all the TKD kicking techniques which "might" work if you're willing to accept the risk of getting taken down and beaten to a bloody pulp.

This kind of nonsense makes me nostalgic for the Youtube comments of 10 years ago.

BJJ = blow job & jerk club?? 😉

I thought there was a GB team not a scottish team at the last world champs (Italy) anyway?

There was a GB team at the world champs in Italy. There was also a Scottish team. The Scottish team beat the GB team to become world champions.

Wanmankylung at work

The question is, will we see the Edinburgh Defence?

If only Surfmat could join in on this display of AWESOMZ 😆

I feel responsible by my over exaggerated description of 'superb martial arts'....... I only learnt and used regularly Ikaedo moves and could only subdue an angry local boxer/brawler or maybe the opposition prop in a fist fight 😆 so forgive me I know sweet f a...... 😆

I see the new Surfmatt has arrived.....

No - I'm not awesome, I just know that UFC and superb martial arts aren't too closely aquainted.

I stand corrected, my club mate was in the England team, not the GB team.
Results are bloody hard to find, but I think Scotland won the under 50kg female sparring? If so, that must be the one who broke your jaw...

UFC is about fighting and winning fights.
Whether they can perform "beautifully" is somewhat irrelevant as the point of them all is to win fights.
Still you can look stylish as you get your arse handed to you on a plate by a "brawler" 🙄

UFC has shown one cannot only use one art and win unless you mean BJJ and even there they still have to do other stuff adequate;y.

Ah, now that almost makes sense. You are 100% right, only I think it's for the opposite reason to the one you're claiming

Edit - not you junkey, I was talking to our resident Bruce Flea

I know where ****y's at

I'm pretty awesome too - I know a couple of moves that are impossible to defend (I once won a tournament with broken ribs and and knee that had been stamped in an earlier round. Single kick 8) ).

I'd take up UFC and beat those bitches down but I just don't have the time TBH.

... and I guess I'd have to lay off smoking crack.

You could no more win a fight using 'beautiful ' martial arts as go to war brandishing a sword. The ancient arts have their place and have helped in the development of modern fighting techniques but they are just too regimented to be effective. This is why MMA has developed and also modern techniques like krav maga. TKD is possibly one of the lamest of all the martial arts. My son gave it up aged 14 because it was unrealistic.

Anyone who spends most of their spare time on a MTB forum and thinks they could take out Anderson Silva is a knob.

soobalias - Member
if only there was some sort of competition where we could work out which was the best martial art.

I stand corrected, my club mate was in the England team, not the GB team.
Results are bloody hard to find, but I think Scotland won the under 50kg female sparring? If so, that must be the one who broke your jaw...

Results are indeed bloody hard to find. Good job the national team coach is the person who runs our club.

if only there was some sort of competition where we could work out which was the best martial art.

I saw a documentary about that, some bloke nicknamed the muscles from Brussels won it.

MSP

I saw a documentary about that, some bloke nicknamed the muscles from Brussels won it.

You're mistaken. What you saw was a dramitization based on actual events. The muscles from Brussels was an actor. In real life the event was won by an undercover CIA Ninja called Frank Dux. He was an American citizen but was born and raised in Belgium till the age of seven, hence his Belgian accent. He was an expert in a secret form of Ninjutsu too deadly for the ring which he learned from Shidoshi Senzo Tanaka. So the answer to the question of "which martial art is most deadly" is obviously Tanaka Ryu Ninjutsu. But it's obviously too deadly for the UFC.

Results are bloody hard to find

You're quite right wrecker, one silver. Clearly world champions....

Wanman - if you mean Master Wallace, I'll have a chat with him as it sounds like his club is breeding something totally against TKD. If it's one of his other coaching team, I'm sure he'll pass on my concerns.

Silly UFC fighters. When will they learn.

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Different world championships. The ones in Roana...

ITF teams get beaten most of the time by TAGB teams.

See those Gifs - where's the defence? It's easy to knock someone out if their hands are down. UFC is gash when it comes to decent fights. Horses for courses I suppose. I'll not be watching it again.

That Uriah Hall KO is one of my all time favs ^

See those Gifs - where's the defence? It's easy to knock someone out if their hands are down. UFC is gash when it comes to decent fights. Horses for courses I suppose. I'll not be watching it again.

Outstanding 😆

Athletes at the very pinnacle of their sport getting tips and pointers from an absolute tragedy of an Internet forum know it all.

God bless the internet

ITF is the style, TAGB is an organisation teaching ITF style. Strangely, on the TAGB website, they link the same ITF championships in Italy.

You really are a bit of a muppet.

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So they had the same world championships in two different places on different dates did they? That's clever.

For someone who is a black belt in TKD you seem to be forgetting the first tenent...

Wouldn't stand a chance against these chaps eh?

I googled taekwondo. I'm not convinced to be honest.

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Why not pick a video with someone scottish in it?

Or one of my personal favourites

Because, apparently, it doesn't make it any more entertaining 😀
What were you saying about low/non existent guards?

can you highlight the good bits? i must have missed them.

dont get me wrong, the aldo mcgregor fight was awful, pr disaster for UFC IMO.

but ive tried to watch your favourite examples of superb martial arts and its dull as ditchwater.

reminds me of the two tkd guys who came to the dojo, one to a JuiJitsu class the other to a kickboxing/mma session, neither could handle anything when it got tight. its a pretty good aerobic workout i guess

They do a lot of running away

dont have to run far cos the teacher blows a whistle when one of them dont like it

soobalias

dont get me wrong, the aldo mcgregor fight was awful, pr disaster for UFC IMO.

wanmankylung
UFC is gash when it comes to decent fights. I'll not be watching it again.

You won't be missing much since you've clearly never watched it before either 😆

jam bo - can you highlight your good bits because I've missed them too.

Why do they keep stopping the fight every time there's any contact?

Why do they keep stopping the fight every time there's any contact?

Because the rules say that it's meant to be semi-contact. Doesnt look too much like semi-contact.

Roadhouse.

Let me get this straight - those clips are supposed to back up the argument that a top class TKD guy would beat a top class UFC guy? Wow. Epic fail.

Or one of my personal favourites

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Right, you're clearly at it now. That's cringeworthy. Really, really bad.

Why do they keep stopping the fight every time there's any contact?
Because the rules say that it's meant to be semi-contact. Doesnt look too much like semi-contact.

So how do you score / win a fight? Are they supposed to be sparring? Is all TKD semi-contact or is that the difference between the 2 world championships?

Awesome video. They stop it every contact how would they fair in a full five min round
Poor kick at 1.30 led to the loss of title see how it was also stopped on contact just like your video. In case it's not clear it wasn't stopped the first time it was just the end of the round it was stopped next round

It's funny. They both got DQ'd. The scottish guy was fighting up two weight divisions just for a laugh. He does that. He's won a few world titles at TKD, 6 at Kickboxing, he was undefeated as professional boxer and runs a MMA type gym in Edinburgh. He was thrown out of the last stage of the olympic TKD trials for excessive use of force.

Some antidote for all that bouncy uncoordinated TKD nonsense

Haha...wow come back to thread and this has to be the funniest thread of all time!!

UFC fighters are not great martial artists, TKD fighters at a local level could beat all UFC fighters, no one in UFC knows how to kick, brilliant just brilliant!

My only confusion is why wanmankylung and his pals haven't wiped out the UFC in all divisons!? Not worth it I guess comptetetion isnt high enough?

Oh yeah and why so many UFC fighters have come to the sport from TKD, I mean the UFC is over run with TKD fighters yet wrestlers, BJJ, K1, Judo fighters can't hold there own but there are a couple of brawlers that started down the local pub! 😉

He was thrown out of the last stage of the olympic TKD trials for excessive use of force.

wanmankylung - Member
....he was undefeated as professional boxer

Away from the trolling, the bit I dont like about MMA is demonstrated in one of the clips on the previous page. Guy gets kneed in the head is asleep before he hits the floor and then takes 2 or 3 smacks in the face before the ref steps in. I am sure someone will defend it but I really don't like that part of it.

Pig face,

It's without doubt the most controversial aspect of MMA. But, the ref can't tell the fighter is out cold before he hits the deck, more often than not the ref is then moving in to stop it, but yeah punches get landed in those 2 or 3 seconds. The argument for it is that way of stopping a fight is safer than boxing. Once it's over, it's over. No counts, or second chances. In boxing guys regularly get knocked out and continue fighting, probably with a severe concussion.

....he was undefeated as [b]professional[/b] boxer

I really don't like that part of it.

It's tough to watch but sometimes fighters get ko'd when standing then wake back up when they hit the canvas so consider it "securing the win" if you like
Not much of an excuse but the best I've got.

You do see some fighters stop though. I remember Brian Stann doing it. His opponent was out and Stann stopped and called the ref over. Much respect.

Remember the adrenaline is firing and these guys and girls are trained for one thing and their opponent would do the same to them. They know what they're signing up for

Thanks for the info Warton (#edit and BoardinBob) although I still agree with Pigface's point, the punching a downed fighter tarnishes the sporting aspect for me.

However despite what our resident TKD expert says, there is undoubted skill and indeed martial art in what the UFC fighters do. Just because they are not fighting within a rigid structure doesn't make them any lesser than their pyjama wearing brethren. Calling them brawlers just demonstrates astounding ignorance of fighting skills and techniques.

[quote=wanmankylung ]jam bo - can you highlight your good bits because I've missed them too.

boom, big hitter skillz right there...

Pigface

Away from the trolling, the bit I dont like about MMA is demonstrated in one of the clips on the previous page. Guy gets kneed in the head is asleep before he hits the floor and then takes 2 or 3 smacks in the face before the ref steps in. I am sure someone will defend it but I really don't like that part of it.

We're all willing accept the risk of potential brain injury for free every time we ride our bikes off road. A fighter's attitude is not much different.

Whilst the dangers in MMA are somewhat analogous to Boxing there are many ways to win in MMA that don't involve head trauma. In the context of a sanctioned fight, no submission will involve head trauma or brain injury. A fighter can win a TKO by leg kicks or dominating a downed opponent whilst not necessarily attacking the head. As Warton points out there is no multiple knock down rule in MMA. A boxer can be concussed, survive the count and fight again and suffer another knockdown. And again. And again. This in addition to heavier gloves offering more protection to boxers hands allowing them to hit harder and more frequently resulting in more cumulative head trauma.

With the relatively rare exception of a body shot KO, there is only one way to win a boxing match and that's repeated head trauma. Neither sport is "safe" but the fighters know and accept the risks.

Guy gets kneed in the head is asleep before he hits the floor and then takes 2 or 3 smacks in the face before the ref steps in. I am sure someone will defend it but I really don't like that part of it.

With the relatively rare exception of a body shot KO, there is only one way to win a boxing match and that's repeated head trauma.

Crolla won the world title a few weeks ago with a body shot.

Incredibly rare, especially compared to a submission win in MMA, where you can also win by bodyshot.

No body has ever died in the UFC Octagon, can the same be said for top level boxing?

No body has ever died in the UFC Octagon

True, but thats's only because wanmankylung hasn't had his debut yet. When he gets in there bodies will be dropping left right and centre

nwill1

No body has ever died in the UFC Octagon, can the same be said for top level boxing?

No it can't but there have been 4 fatalities total, in sanctioned mma events. Three of which might be directly attributable to damage sustained in the respective event. It's a much lower number proportionally compared with boxing but it's incorrect to just look at the number of deaths as the bigger danger is most later onset of various types of brain damage incurred over a career such as trauma induced parkinsons.

In MMA as in boxing most if not all fatalities are in lower weight classes and might be caused by fighters undergoing severe weight cuts and not adequately re-hydrating. While the body can fully re-hydrate in 24hrs apparently the brain can take 48-72 hrs before fully re-hydrating and being able to protect itself from trauma. It's probably safe to assume that the majority of serious damage which will manifest in fighters in their later lives will also be due to dehydration.

Novitzky and USADA have implemented measures aimed at removing this culture from the UFC but they are controversial and it's very very early days. The ban on i.v.'s should discourage and ultimately eradicate the culture of fighters undergoing massive weight cuts.

No body has ever died in the UFC Octagon, can the same be said for top level boxing?

How do the respective sample sizes compare?

Of more interest, to me anyway, are the long term implications such as dementia, parkinsons and chronic brain injuries.

What's this about? UFC's better than boxing? Boxing's better than UFC? My Dad's bigger than your dad? Jeez!

DezB - Member

What's this about? UFC's better than boxing? Boxing's better than UFC? My Dad's bigger than your dad? Jeez!

Just think of it as a wheel size debate.

No, it's simply about Aldo either taking a dive, having a glass jaw, or poor ringcraft. It was then claimed by someone that MMA contained people who have "superb martial arts skills". I disagreed and said that in a tournament fought under the rules of each specific art the MMA fighters would get beat. I shared my opinion that MMA isn't much more than a brawl. Others disagreed with all of it. Some agreed with bits of it. Some clearly love UFC and some clearly thing it's rubbish. Nobody was hurt in the making of this thread.

Unlike your training sessions where getting hurt is obligatory 😉

I disagreed and said that in a tournament fought under the rules of each specific art the MMA fighters would get beat.

Ok so if the argument is

Put a BJJ black belt against a TKD black belt in a strict TKD points fight, then yes the TKD would win in a strict TKD competition

Conversely reverse that and the TKD guy is going to sleep pretty quickly.

If the argument is put a top level pure TKD guy against a top level UFC fighter who has no experience in TKD, and they fight, and it's a proper fight, under the Unified Rules, then the TKD is in trouble.

Not really sure what the point of that debate is though. It's a bit like saying the world ping pong champion would beat Rafa Nadal at ping pong.

wanmankylung

No, I alone think Aldo either took a dive, has a glass jaw, or poor ringcraft. It was then [s]claimed[/s] correctly stated by someone that MMA contained people who have "superb martial arts skills". I disagreed and said that in a tournament fought under the rules of each specific art the MMA fighters would get beat despite massive evidence to the contrary by numerous commenters. I shared my opinion that MMA isn't much more than a brawl. Everyone disagreed with all of it. Some clearly love UFC, I think it's rubbish, I've never seen it before and I jumped to conclusions but mainly it offends my TKD sensibilities . Nobody was hurt in the making of this thread, but most TKD black belts would get destroyed by the WOMEN in the UFC in an actual fight.

FTFY 😀

Unlike your training sessions where getting hurt is obligatory

It's like this - kicking and punching people and getting punched and kicked is likely to cause injury. When there is a mixture of abilities in the class there are always going to be people who misjudge their attacks and others who make a mess of their defence. Occassionaly people will get hurt. It appears to be the lower abilities and middle grades that get hurt most. As skill and expeience levels increase injuries decrease. Our club train hard because we have great coaches and are very competitive there is a constructive winning mentality to it, it's good.

[i] it's simply about Aldo either taking a dive, having a glass jaw, or poor ringcraft[/i]

Oh right. Well, I only saw the gif and he got caught by a perfectly timed left hook. The fella who hit him didn't have much of a glove on.

I think everyone on this thread is jealous because you've had our share of the awesomez.

Oh right. Well, I only saw the gif and he got caught by a perfectly timed left hook. The fella who hit him didn't have much of a glove on.

Would say Roman Gonzales or Juan Francisco Estrada have been mugged by that shot?

I think everyone on this thread is jealous because you've had our share of the awesomez.

Nah - best I ever got to was a silver medal in the scottish championship middleweight division.

What boarding bob said
tkd are good at TDK and crap at fighting.
On this we all seem to agree except for the troll

No body has ever died in the UFC Octagon, can the same be said for top level boxing?

How do the respective sample sizes compare?

You can scale up "none" as far as you like.

It's still none.

You can scale up "none" as far as you like.

It's still none.

You can't discount deaths just because they didn't croak [i]in[/i] the octagon.