[Closed] UFC 202: McGregor vs. Diaz 2

Are these two the ones throwing bottles at each other during the press conference? Classy by both of them 😆

Heh heh...hadn't seen that. Pair of fannies.

Was more entertained by that weigh-in the other month when the fighters shared baked goods when facing off.

I actually think Conor is going to win this time round. KO in first or second round.

Pretty weak card apart from the main event.

I hope diaz wins...comes across as a likable guy and hes a mtbr too.
Unless mcgregor has seriously upped his game, i cant see him winning

what time roughly will the fight be on ?

Sorry I should of checked before posting , 5.00 am !!

If Conor's changed his approach and training, which it really does sound like he has, then I think he can take him but, as we saw before, Nate can take a hell of a beating and still do the business.
Stamina's going to be key.

And to p*ss you all off, I'm actually flying to Vegas on Saturday for a work conference, did look at getting tickets but a couple of weeks ago the prices were steep for what was left. I'll settle for a sports bar somewhere but at least I'm in the right time zone and the evening you arrive is all about powering through the jetlag isn't it? 😉

Conference or "conference"???

We all know what happens in Vegas...

Should be a decent PPV.
Diaz will beat Mystic Mac in the third.
Rumble will beat Glover probably in the 1st.
Cowboy will beat story by decision.

No, an actual Conference......with some "conference" in downtime 😉

arrpee

Also looking forward to seeing Cerrone at welterweight again. Pretty ignorant about the remainder of the card with the exception of Johnson vs. Teixeira. Anything worth looking out for?

Cody Garbrant against Mizugaki should be good. Neil Magny v Lorenz Larkin too. Colby Covington's supposed to be one to watch, don't know his opponent.

The more I think about it, the more I think I want Conor to win to piss off all the feral casuals on social media, who seem to have decamped from McGregor's camp to support the 209.

Want Diaz to win. Connor can win but he will have to keep away from Diaz with kicks (to front leg) long periods to preserve his energy. Diaz got hit a few times by Connor and was OK but as soon as Diaz hit Mcgregor he was cooked. Cant see him staying away for 5 rounds?

I just want good fights!

McGregor can beat Diaz if he listens to his corner and not his ego. If he tries to KO him early it wont work, again. Legs kicks FTW. I have a feeling this will be his game plan and all this 'first round KO' stuff is just mind games.

Love watching the Cowboy, just wish it didn't take him 5 minutes to realise he's in a fight.

Don-ald Cer-rone-ay!

Diaz to win from behind with a stoppage. His apathy at press conferences is the perfect opposite to McGregors confidence and he has nothing to lose. McGregors future is back at 145 where his striking was awesome. Can't see McG going for a points win unless he believes he can't easily ko him; the key to him winning is accepting that.

bongohoohaa
I think I want Conor to win to piss off all the feral casuals

Filthy casuals. May they burn in hell 😈

Filthy casuals. May they burn in hell

Every man and his black t-shirted dog is Stockton 209 now.

All aboard the Diaz brothers hype train...choo choo!

Diaz all the way. 2nd round. Choke.

Don-ald Cer-rone-ay!

Watched the Rogan/Cer-rone-ay podcast last night 😀 Love the cowboy even more now. Interesting how he describes his fights when he's in the 'zone'. Freely admits he doesn't work on training his mind? He really should.

So is anybody be staying up? Or just watching/downloading in the morning? Think I will be recording it off BT, and go into media/internet lockdown until I get a chance to watch it. Almost got caught out by the Guardian having Bisping's win on the front page of the sports site last year when I clicked on it as usual thinking it would be free of MMA.

I'll admit, when this rematch was announced I was like meh. But I find [url= https://streamable.com/38ih ]myself pretty hyped[/url] for it now. I don't know if the two of them genuinely hate each other, or just both masters of the build up machine. Either way I hope they hug it out after the fight. Although imagine Nick Diaz won't let that happen, although he is still banned from being in Nate's corner.

On a side note, how much bullshit is it having the Bisping v Hendo fight at 3/4am even tho it's in Manchester?

Going to get up at 5am

McGregor looks huge. Will be interesting to see how that effects his speed and mobility.

Will the added bulk give him the power to dent the bigger man?

McGregor needs to keep the fight standing. If Nate takes him down to the door it'll be same as last time. And, Nate didn't get a full camp last time.

Downloading in the morn/watch tomorrow night.

I'll admit, when this rematch was announced I was like meh.

I want the Aldo rematch!!! Being irish, i should be behind McGregor but i think he's a dick and Aldo is twice the fighter - just got headforked and McGregor got lucky. 99 times out of 100 Aldo wins that fight, pity they had the 1 in 100 fight first 😆

As for the hate or pretend? Who knows what goes on in the head of these guys. Nate has more right to be pissed at the organisation than any one fighter. He's probably grateful to Conor for finally giving him the money fight. Only thing for certain is the UFC will milk these two to death.

Will the added bulk give him the power to dent the bigger man?

No amount of [i]pumping ron[/i] makes you taller/arms longer. He's around the same weight as last time IIRC

I want the Aldo rematch!!!

Dana 'I Like HGH' White has said that Conor's next fight is 145 defence or he has to give up the belt. I honestly think he might just give it up and drop to 155, as I think most 170 fighters will tear his head off. Although, I am usually wrong.

Cutting to 145 did not look fun.

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Eye of the (dehydrated) tiger! (left)

Yeah, he'll likely drop the belt rather fight at 145. The cut would be ever harder now he's used to being a bit bigger. Great excuse for not fighting Aldo again too.

most 170 fighters will tear his head off.

Agreed. However the Shark Pit is a tougher weight than 170 - there's so much talent @ 155. His small stature and power is ideal for 145 but the smaller '55ers all have a much better ground game. Be interesting to see what happens. He's already hinted at a trilogy with Nate (may not happen if Diaz wins again) but i wouldn't be surprised if he does this 3 fight thing and calls it a day. He can still slabber about retiring as Champ and only beaten by a much bigger guy.

Mcgregors roid spots haven't come back,guess he can afford the best doctors now.

Euro - Member

most 170 fighters will tear his head off.

His small stature and power is ideal for 145 but the smaller '55ers all have a much better ground game.

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Smaller man - check
Better ground game - check

McGregor's probably wearing cuban heels too 😀

Actually took me a few views to spot it 😆

Boy am I glad I was in LV for that!! What a fight.... Bring on episode 3 🙂
And now after 28 hours awake after leaving gatwick I'm retiring to bed, night all!

Just can't understand how McGregor can gas so hard. He controlled the first two rounds and didnt have to do much work as Diaz did so little yet come the 3rd he was blowing out his arse. I actually thought he was going to wave it off at one point.

A wins a win but it wasn't massively convincing. Great fight to watch though and Diaz is a legend. Pointing and giving him the finger was amazing 😆

Conor has the cardio of Tank Abbot.

Great fight.

Firas Zahabi (Rory McD's coach) did a pre-fight breakdown on YouTube a couple of weeks ago and set out the strategy he'd have McGregor adopt against Diaz. It's pretty much exactly what he did. Wasn't how I saw it going to be honest; was amazed McGregor came back after gassing so badly in the third. Kind of grudgingly glad he won. He's a posturing little bum-balloon, but the hype train is entertaining.

Diaz is indeed a legend and it's good to see him make another big pay day. I just hope he can still find his car keys after all those big lefts. McGregor's reluctance to jump on Diaz is the biggest difference to how I've seen him beaten before. Henderson and Dos Anjos both kicked chunks out of his lead leg, then beat him up on the ground while avoiding submission attempts.

As for what comes next, I loved Nurmegomedov's suggestion for the UFC 205 card:

Nurmegomedov vs. Alvarez
Aldo vs. McGregor
Edgar vs. Holloway
Woodley vs. Thompson

No chance it'll happen, but we can dream.

Watching Olympic Taekwondo now. They just had a 5 minute adjudication over whether one competitor's toes skiffed the other's nose.

Don-ald Cer-rone-ay!!! That combo to finish Story was sublime perfection.

Good on McGregor - looks like he left his ego in the dressing room and battled hard for that win. Tight call but t i think he edged it. Fair play to the slabber 😀

Means looked great too and as for Rumble? Holy shit! A good night's fighting all round.

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Mcgregor won it in the 4th with that bit of energy that came back. Wanted Diaz to win but I had a little bet on Connor just in case!

Running away was a bit embarrassing and I heard boos at one point.

I'm pretty sure I deserve some sort of medal for avoiding any info about this fight (or the entire card for that matter) and getting nicely drunk of a Sunday night to enjoy the carnage.

Pure blood and thunder from start to finish. The amount of damage Nate took was terrifying, his post fight chat was pretty much incomprehensible. Hope they took him to hospital.

Running away was a bit embarrassing and I heard boos at one point.

They fought in a cage for 25 minutes. A few seconds of resetting and re-establishing distance isn't running away. You don't leave someone looking like this by running away

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Watching Olympic Taekwondo now. They just had a 5 minute adjudication over whether one competitor's toes skiffed the other's nose.

It's important to remember that those Olympic TKD fighters would DESTROY everyone in the UFC. And they're not even the best TKD fighters around, that's the light/semi contact stuff. There's a much more lethal variant of [s]dance[/s] tkd. And then there's the super hardcore Edinburgh variety where deaths in sparring are a regular occurrence, such is the lethality of their style.

And then there's the super hardcore Edinburgh variety where deaths in sparring are a regular occurrence, such is the lethality of their style.

I heard a guy once looked at one of those fellas funny, and they kicked him onto Mars.

Poor bastard is stranded there with just the Mars Exploration Rover for company.

He learned his lesson, though.

bongohoohaa

I heard a guy once looked at one of those fellas funny, and they kicked him onto Mars.

A lucky escape.

Who was it that claimed his clus fighting style was more lethal than snake venom 😆 then had a meltdown, cant remember the name.

[quote=Pigface ]Who was it that claimed his clus fighting style was more lethal than snake venom then had a meltdown, cant remember the name.

Glupton (and his numerous aliases)

Cheers Bob, has he reappeared?

Euro - Member

I want the Aldo rematch!!! Being irish, i should be behind McGregor but i think he's a dick and Aldo is twice the fighter - just got headforked and McGregor got lucky. 99 times out of 100 Aldo wins that fight, pity they had the 1 in 100 fight first

So, pray tell Marty. Was Anthony Johnson lucky when he KO'd Glover in 13 seconds?

Ozzy Man version.

Warning: NSFW contains Swearing and Australians.

It's important to remember that those Olympic TKD fighters would DESTROY everyone in the UFC. And they're not even the best TKD fighters around, that's the light/semi contact stuff. There's a much more lethal variant of dance tkd. And then there's the super hardcore Edinburgh variety where deaths in sparring are a regular occurrence, such is the lethality of their style.

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I really don`t get the appeal of watching this it looks like non paying members of the caravan club fighting

Edric 64 - Member

I really don`t get the appeal of watching this it looks like non paying members of the caravan club fighting

Fascinating. I hope you find a sport where the men are more visually appealing to your tastes.

I really don`t get the appeal of watching this it looks like non paying members of the caravan club fighting

How anyone can not see the appeal in this...

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...well..fair enough. Everyone is allowed to like what they do.

Looks like thuggery on any high street when the clubs kick out

Looks like thuggery on any high street when the clubs kick out

Yup. Bang on. I hear they knock back 8 pints before stepping into the octagon.

I wasnt going to comment but seeing as others have started.....
I got a free 6 months of bt sport app recently, they only seem to have rugby which is great, football which is shit and UFC which appears to be just beating people to a pulp. Not sure what ut says about thise that like watching that sort if thing but it cant be very positive imo.

I get the objection
On one level I love seeing the skill level on the other i struggle with the sheer brutality of it all.
YMMV

Edric 64 - Member

Looks like thuggery on any high street when the clubs kick out

Obvious troll.

UFC which appears to be just beating people to a pulp

High level problem solving with dire physical consequences. The purest form of sporting competition. Most people struggle to comprehend it because they lack any of the physical or mental tools to enter that world .They only understand fighting and violence as an undesirable byproduct of negative emotions.

MMA is much safer than boxing but appears worse because smaller gloves cause more cuts and facial damage.

Not sure what ut says about thise that like watching that sort if thing but it cant be very positive imo.

It says I am a monster 🙁

Most people struggle to comprehend it because they lack any of the physical or mental tools to enter that world

So its only hard people like you who watch it?
edited to add I'll leave it there as its a UFC thread and I dont like UFC....who cares

anagallis_arvensis

So its only hard people like you who watch it?

I realise that's your idea of a witty and personal riposte but I'll oblige anyway. No, it's not. But your comment was that it "[i]appeared to be people beating one another to a pulp[/i]" and "[i]Not sure what ut says about thise that like watching that sort if thing but it cant be very positive imo".
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Both of those things are about perception, which is subjective and varies from person to person. Feel free to make a thread if you want to discuss the relative merits of combat sports and/or their perception vs reality.

So its only hard people like you who watch it?

I am extremely non-hard, and watch it.

I do, obviously, get hard when watching it. Due to the homoerotic nature of two ripped shirtless men aggressively cuddling each other.

ongohoohaa -

I do, obviously, get hard when watching it. Due to the homoerotic nature of two ripped shirtless men aggressively cuddling each other.

I'm glad you brought that up, me too. I love the grappling particularly, just the sight of two sweaty guys writhing around on the floor..... 😳

When I'm training I have to wear compression shorts several sizes too small just to suppress any conspicuous blood flow to...you know...parts.

Love it but I enjoy pretty much all sports.

Rugby can be pretty bloody brutal!

In Bongos clip above why has the guy got to take the last kick to the head? He is done. That's the bit of MMA I don't like find it really unnecessary. In a fight I have seen Bisping was out before he even hits the ground but lying flat on his back his opponent still landed a shot on him.

If you get off on that then fine, that's your choice.

To quote a ref who was criticized for stopping a boxing match to early, "we are in the fight business, not the killing business.

Pigface - Member

In Bongos clip above why has the guy got to take the last kick to the head? He is done. That's the bit of MMA I don't like find it really unnecessary.

Two points. Firstly it's muscle memory. Cerrone will have practiced that combination and he's simply following through with what he has learned. Second, there's no guarantee that he's done. In fact I'm fairly certain he wouldn't have been. Cerrone rarely has one punch ko power. It was the kick that finished it.

In a fight I have seen Bisping was out before he even hits the ground but lying flat on his back his opponent still landed a shot on him.

That's unusual, but it's the fighters prerogative to finish the fight, and it's not over until the ref steps in. Henderson's finish of Bisping was brutal and vindictive, and he attributed it to all the shit talk Bisping had done pre-fight. Henderson was a dick to throw that punch, but technically the ref was at fault for not stepping in quickly enough.

To quote a ref who was criticized for stopping a boxing match to early, "we are in the fight business, not the killing business.

And yet, boxing is the sport of cumulative brain damage, where the sole aim of the sport is to batter the opponents head, and where it's virtually impossible to win without inflicting head trauma.

In Bongos clip above why has the guy got to take the last kick to the head? He is done. That's the bit of MMA I don't like find it really unnecessary.

Thing is Rick Story wasn't done. He was momentarily staggered, but would have recovered, so Donald Cerrone swarmed him with more punches. The fight was stopped and both men were standing for the decision. So wasn't like the guy was murdered.

Also, you just don't know when someone is properly done 😉

I understand some people don't like MMA, that's fine. But it really has come a long way and as mentioned probably has lower long term injury risks than boxing, NFL, Rugby etc.

Edric 64 - Member
Looks like thuggery on any high street when the clubs kick out

😆

One of the sweetest combos I've ever seen by two athletes in peak condition being compared to two nobodies swinging haymakers at each other outside some ghastly Wetherspoons.

Yip. Totally comparable 🙄

I do, obviously, get hard when watching it. Due to the homoerotic nature of two ripped shirtless men aggressively cuddling each other.

I only watch rugby for the chance of seeing Gavin Henson getting his shorts ripped off!!

Good answers but I am not convinced, the point about not being as damaged as boxers, let's see what shape Nate Diaz is in in 30 years time. It is a young sport plenty of time for damage inflicted to become apparent.

The majority of the fighters are true athletes but where does someone like Broc Lesnwr figure. He is so obviously roided.

Cro Cop is pretty damaged as well.

Pigface

Good answers but I am not convinced, the point about not being as damaged as boxers, let's see what shape Nate Diaz is in in 30 years time. It is a young sport plenty of time for damage inflicted to become apparent.

Nate will be in bad shape in 30 years time. No doubt about it. How much of his mental decline will be down to his fights, and how much will be because of his countless rounds sparring with Andre Ward and Joe Schilling is anyone's guess.

It's a tough, dangerous sport and people do get hurt. People suffer serious injuries or die riding horses and racing cars, or bicycles for that matter. But there seems to be something more objectionable about letting two people who want fight, fight.

Boxing gloves and wraps are there to allow you to hit your opponent harder. Boxing is the pure art of punching, and most wins come about by way of punching to the head, as practiced through sparring.

MMA wraps can replicate a boxing wrap, or fighters can compete without wraps - just gloves, and they use 8 ounce gloves, not 16.

Not sure what the relevance of Brock is, or rather his roids. He was beaten soundly by Cain Velasquez.

Cro-Cop had god knows how many kick boxing bouts.

Well Brock just won a title and I think just got done for juicing, could be wrong. Just wondered what the prevalence for doping/ steroids is.

If Diaz is getting pummelled in training to that extent then someone needs to save him from himself.

Pigface
Well Brock just won a title and I think just got done for juicing, could be wrong. Just wondered what the prevalence for doping/ steroids is.

Brock won a big fight, but not a title.

It sounds implausible but I believe the UFC now has the strictest anti-doping policy of any high level sports organisation in the world. They have 600 fighters under contract and there have been suspensions, but few for steroids. Most for pretty innocuous stuff or tainted supplements. Brock is probably the main one.

I don't think steroids and damage is necessarily a straightforward discussion though, since it could easily be argued it's safer to let fighters take something, for recovery from injuries at least.