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[Closed] Does UBI help people find work - Experiment in Finland

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Did it help unemployed people in Finland find jobs, as the centre-right Finnish government had hoped? No, not really.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47169549

(Sorry for new thread, I couldn't find the thread UBI was discussed in previously.)


 
Posted : 08/02/2019 4:49 pm
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Seems interesting to be measuring on only one metric there, would be interesting to see how other things changed like health which is unfortunately harder to measure in the short term but has a massive impact on society and the cost to the national purse.


 
Posted : 08/02/2019 4:56 pm
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Seems like a fairly useless study, no? They only gave it to unemployed people? Kind misses out the universal part I'd reckon.


 
Posted : 08/02/2019 5:19 pm
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If it's only given to the unemployed then it's not really universal.


 
Posted : 08/02/2019 5:22 pm
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UBI isn't about solving unemployment.


 
Posted : 08/02/2019 5:50 pm
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UBI isn’t about solving unemployment.

Not particularly, 2 factors will ensure unemployment(edit, well 3 if you take my point below.), which are it suits the job market for their to be a level of unemployment, and secondly there will always be a section of society that just don't want to work. (And I say good luck to them, if they can survive on 6k a year, crack on.)

It's more about just giving people enough to survive on and taking the stigma away from benefits. A lot of the benefit will be more aimed toward low income people, it'd empower them to be able to tell their bosses to do one should start taking the piss without having to jump hoops at the job centre. It would allow this group(more likely to do something good with it) to have a stab a working for themselves more easily if their basic bills are covered.

Personally I favour the negative income tax tbh. I'd set that level about 10 or 11k myself. I'd pay for it through an automation Tax(I don't like the term AI). and I'd raise the level the more the world delves into it's automated future.

I think that's the fundamental moral point here, is that we shouldn't allow the few to profit from the automation revolution, which is well underway btw, it's not even the future we are talking about.


 
Posted : 08/02/2019 6:52 pm

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