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I have little or no interest in boxing but I find it amazing that Tyson Fury keeps winning boxing matches. Not meaning to be rude but he does not look at all fit or strong! I guess he must be unless all of the competition is terrible?
I should add that I have never bothered to watch him fight…
He is fit, strong, fast and a very talented boxer. It doesn't make sense but he is.
It's about power/weight/speed delivery. Look at the Worlds Strongest Man Competition, some of the guys are ripped some look like they just stepped out the Red Lion Pub, the Red Lion Pub team do pretty well 🙂
Funny that I often wonder how sportsmen I’ve never watched do so well at their chosen sport. Like how is Lewis Hamilton such a good driver? How does Chritiano Ronaldo score so many goals?
(Actually I don’t)
But I do know how Fury wins, cos I’ve watched nearly all of his fights.
OP - you clearly know nothing about boxing. Watch him fight then come back with more than a predudiced opinion about his size. He is a remarkable athlete.
Not meaning to be rude but he does not look at all fit or strong!
I'm sure Tyson Fury won't take offence, but I'm guessing he's quite a fit guy and errrr, pretty strong also. Why would you think otherwise?
His fight endurance is pretty much one of the best in the division, it's why he always takes the mickey out of the 'bodybuilders' in the division, reality is his size allows that bulk, and he uses it to great effect.
I don't think we've really seen a Tyson Fury in this division before, we've seen big buys like him, but without the boxing intelligence and skill, it's also the heavyweight division, so no need for cutting to make weight and then bulking back up before the fight, Fury pretty much stays in condition all year round.
Agreed - I’m aware of and advertised my own ignorance. Clearly he must be incredibly fit and presumably very strong. You’d assume that most strength in punching would come from the upper body - pectorals, shoulders, lat dorsi etc, and for his size he doesn’t look particularly muscly in any of those areas. Maybe too much bulk hampers speed and endurance.
I’ll stand corrected! Not sure I will waste too much of my life watching it though.
Boxers use similar kinematic sequences for power that most other sports do, from the ground up, the rest is just skills and how to use them, Tyson has a decent jab with his reach advantage.
Fury's fights can look boring as well, because he tends to outbox his opponents, so just uses a plan and tweaks it, never really gets rushed or panicked.
When it comes to professional boxing it's more about how you can take a punch than how you can give one.
When it comes to professional boxing it’s more about how you can take a punch than how you can give one
Best summed up by Mike Tyson
It’s no good being good at dishing it out if you can’t take it too
I really admire Tyson Fury, not just for his boxing but for being completely outspoken about his depression and his refusal to shut up about male mental health. An unlikely champion
Ali was not particularly 'cut' but was fast and accurate. Super muscular boxers at heavyweight never really have done so well.
Mike Tyson had his first defeat against a Mr Bobby but he was massive.
At the lower weights it is far more noticeable.
Tyson (Mike) is a legend. As is Tyson (Fury).
Just shows that all physiques can, and do, make a big impact in the heavyweights.
You’d assume that most strength in punching would come from the upper body
Tell me you know nothing about boxing without telling me
Just watch Eric ‘Butterbean’ Esch, George Foreman, Andy Ruiz Jr and revise your thinking 😉
Have you looked at other great sports people in other disciplines?
Some are also not blessed with what is now considered a fitness physique.
- Chris Froome
- Geof Capes
- Shane Warne
- Steve Redgrave
- Daily Thompson (to a lesser extent)
Another example is watch a tradesman work, be it a joiner, groundworker, plasterer or even an electrician. They spend 40 + hours a week doing the same task, training in another word. Most don't look particularly fit but the average guy or even the average gym bunny would be knackered after a week doing one of those jobs.
It's all about conditioning over a long time, not just the muscles but also the nervous system, bones, tendons and making the work an unconscious action.
Add into this skill, talent, determination, good genetics and a strong mind and you end up with a phenomenal athlete. Which Tyson Fury is.
Last nights fight wasn't a bad answer to the OP. Fury is the best heavyweight I have seen since a young Tyson,better even that prime Lewis.
I think even the most savvy of us still get tricked into thinking cut fitness model physiques equal skill and ability in a task due to never ending media influence.
A bit similar to all the gear and no idea, but in a physical sense.
Yes I see him running near his house, albeit on his return so no idea how far he s been, but he doesn't look super fit. I actually saw him last week crossing the road in front of me, I was driving, I thought he d be wrapped up in cotton wool in prep for the fight not crossing a busy road.
Sorry I know nothing about boxing, his kids used to shout at me when they were going to school...nice bike mister...which I thought was q funny. He s moved now but kept his old house as a sort of boxing academy for younger boxers.
What I can’t work out is how someone who looked so bad early in his career. And who came across as a total dick, has transformed himself into a one of the best heavyweights of past 30 years, and who now comes across as a pretty likeable bloke
I think even the most savvy of us still get tricked into thinking cut fitness model physiques equal skill and ability in a task due to never ending media influence.
You just have to look at lower weight divisions and how much they have to cut to make weight, they look like bodybuilders on the weigh-in because of that, but out of the ring they will be 1 or 2 stone heavier, there's very few who keep their physique similar throughout, Canelo seems to do it, but he fights at heavier weights just now anyway.
tpbiker good point. He said some pretty horrible things not that long ago. He either changed or got a good PR team. To be fair I think he went through a fairly dark time inbetween.
I'm not sure sportsmen need to change or hire a good PR team when even being found guilty of rape doesn't stop you being a legend in some people's eyes.
Is he still an outspoken homophobic, transphobic mysogynist? If so I don't care how good he is at punching people, he's still a contemptable person.
Either he isn’t or he’s a closet one now.
Strong man competition is a good one to look at. One of the best of all time, Žydrūnas Savickas, doesn’t look like a model, which is what the OP appears to be describing. I think media has conditioned people in to thinking looking pretty with abs equals fitness and strength. It really doesn’t in reality.
Think he's gone towards religion in a big way over the last few years so any outbursts tend to be aimed at that. To be fair he never hid how much of a wild, mental boxer he was earlier, and a lot of promoters, media folk, etc took advantage of that, same as Mike Tyson, i'd definitely say Fury has no real PR behind him, and he is what he is, you can clearly see he suffers manic periods and the lows that follow.
We know what the result of the match between Bellew and Haye
Tyson definitely changed from the Stallion that he used to describe himself as. He does have pedigree as a boxer throughout his career. I think he may have checked out after last nights bout although he implies that money talks so how much would the unification bout be?
If you can't understand Fury, you'll be amazed to know this is one of the greatest MMA fighters of all time
He's got height, reach, great technical skills, plus it's in his blood. He's also been fighting for 20 years and sohas ring craft nailed. Anthony Joshua came to boxing much later so he's always playing catch up in that regard.
For a 19st guy at 6'9'' his foot work was impressive and he didn't seem to waste energy on inaccurate punches. Most boxers come from fairly challenginbg backgrounds and boxing's their only chance to get on, not the first people you would look to for a rainbow ideology. He's said and done some good stuff though.
Modesty forbids but I played a small role in last night’s fight. I have no interest in boxing, but I was Whyte’s expert witness in a doping case a while back.
https://www.ukad.org.uk/news/ukad-and-mr-dillian-whyte-issue-joint-statement
Fury served a ban for a violation previously.
Perfect example here.
The point about giving and taking punches is true. He took Whyte out last night with a great uppercut. When he gave himself a great uppercut, he took it well! google Fury punches himself...
Boxing isn't bodybuilding.
Look at Frank Bruno - amazing physique but moved like a statue. Anthony Joshua is the same. A better boxer than Bruno but still pretty wooden.
Fury has incredible movement & agility for such a huge man. He's like an NFL offensive tackle - seemingly just huge & fat but somehow capable of moving like a cat.
Fury has come from a dark place. Years of depression, 10st overweight and suicidal. Yet he's overcome it, found God and become an advocate for talking about men's mental health whilst also becoming one of the greatest heavyweights ever.
Could you imagine a prime time Mike Tyson against him? What a fight that would be!
As it is, we'll settle for a unification bout against Joshua or Usyk.
He'd wipe the floor with Joshua whereas the Usyk fight would probably confirm the maxim that a good big 'un always beats a good little 'un.
Wether he has changed his horrible opinions or he has learnt to keep them to himself i dont doubt his fathers influence has not helped his early attitudes. Imagine trying to have a debate with his father.
The current incarnation of Tyson Fury seems to be one of a loving father, loving husband, world class athlete and someone who loves god and country. I havent seen anything in recent years that can be anything other than a positive role model.
His boxing can be quite confusing. He moves quicker than any heavyweight i have ever seen but without being obvious. He has a chin that has been 20+ years in the making. Its not just about being able to take a punch, he has an ability to take a punch and clear his head QUICKLY. Compare with Joshua when he gets punched, his eyes mist over and his legs turn to jelly. Fury is hard to hit, even harder to hit flush. Even then the odds are by the end of the count he will be up, thinking clearly and able to use his 19st to ensure you aint going to follow it up easily.
If i was able, the fight i would put together would be Fury vs Lewis. I just cant imagine how the fight would go. Of the current fights, i just see him laughing at Joshua but if he goes in with Usyk then that could be intriguing. Would he go all heavy and smother him or would he go light and box him with the back up of still being much bigger and powerful? Joshua's boxing was a disgrace against Usyk and he got what he deserved
In that video above, why did the ref stop the fight? They both fell down once each...?
Clearly a great fighter but if boxing paid more credence to anti doping he’d be banned still. He blagged a short ban for nandrolone by a combo of paying a guy to say he’d given him and his cousins boars testicles to eat and having more money for lawyers than uk boxing
https://www.bbc.com/sport/boxing/51947217.amp
In that video above, why did the ref stop the fight? They both fell down once each…?
It's not about how many times they fall, it's about whether they are capable of continuing the fight. The ref obviously saw something when the loser was knocked down that made him think that it wasn't safe for the fight to continue.
In that video above, why did the ref stop the fight? They both fell down once each…?
The winner was knocked down but not really effected, the loser was much more badly effected and wasn’t likely to be able to defend himself
Yeah, it’s all about being able to defend yourself to stop this 😋
Speaking as a layman, it's a pretty brutal sport, your're literally puching the crap out of your opponent.
Ego is obviously involved but why do they get all upset when they get brain damage/ can't speak properly any more? You litterally signed up to get battered?
The winner was knocked down but not really effected, the loser was much more badly effected and wasn’t likely to be able to defend himself
Not true. By definition if the loser was effected by the tussle and fall then it stands to reason that the winner was too.
🤭
I was told by a past official that at the beginning of a pro boxer's career they do a brain scan and at the end, no matter if they were a champ or came second, you could measure how many fights they had.
As said above, Tysoe fury is an incredibly adept boxer and moves more like a middleweight than a heavy weight. His footwork is quick and concise, meaning that he is constantly altering his angle of attack and that of his opponent. His ability to slip punches though is something else. Whether he's ducking, swaying back or sliding to the side, he seems to see the punch almost before it's unleashed and by the time it gets to where it was aimed he's long gone. Whyte tried again and again to launch a big one and just couldn't connect. In fact the only man who has was Wilder and then Fury just had a breather, jumped back up and was at it again. He's a phenomenon
The MMA fight was stopped because the beefcake was on his back and taking punches to the head with no attempt to defend himself. That's a straight red card (so to speak)
I guess the way you can look at a heavyweight boxer's physique is that they need to do a lot of training to be fit and strong, like Chris Froome. The difference is that Chris Froome massively watches what he eats as well, because being as light as possible is a big advantage in road cycling. In heavyweight boxing that's not the case and as mentioned before the lower weights only lose weight to make weight.
So is it a given that the retirement is just a ploy and that he will finally give the heavyweight division the first belt unification fight since, I don't know, is it foreman or something?
Is usyk fighting in Ukraine? Surely that fight will happen at some point
Well - thanks people for responding to my deliberately dim comment. Judging by the replies I might even go and watch him now - I’ve always found heavyweight boxing fairly dull - not that I am all that interested anyway but generally found lower weights to have more interesting bouts.
Seems strange to say there’s nothing more he can do if he hasn’t won a unification bout. Maybe he’s just waiting to see how much money they offer him…
^ watch the Fury / Wilder trilogy and I can guarantee you will change your mind if you have anything like a real interest in the sport. Some of the best boxing seen in recent history.
watch the Fury / Wilder trilogy and I can guarantee you will change your mind if you have anything like a real interest in the sport. Some of the best boxing seen in recent history.
Steady on!
Fury is indeed a phenomenal boxer, outstanding skills for a heavy. But I’ve seen many more skilled boxers than fury and far better displays of boxing. Never by a guy weighing 19 stone however!
It’s almost a paradox watching him in the ring. He’ll blow away Joshua easily, other than one punch power he is better in every way. Still think Lewis would have beaten him though. For all his skills he’s never fought anyone near Lewis’s class.
The answer to the retirement question as with most things in life is Rummy's Corner:
Boxing may be a noble sport but the shorts look ridiculous
Still think Lewis would have beaten him though. For all his skills he’s never fought anyone near Lewis’s class.
I think Lewis is remembered through rose tinted glasses as time has gone on. Other than Razor Ruddock for the eliminator he was in another poor period for heavyweights. Tyson was all but done and his career high seems to be a draw and a win over 39 yo Holyfield.
I've never been a massive boxing fan, and have very little knowledge, but I'm always drawn to it.
I've been watching the Ali documentary series on iPlayer, which is brilliant in itself, but that man as a boxer - just wow. Lightning fast hands and feet, incredible to watch and unbelievable (to my eyes) for a heavyweight
Still think Lewis would have beaten him though. For all his skills he’s never fought anyone near Lewis’s class.
I think Lewis is remembered through rose tinted glasses as time has gone on. Other than Razor Ruddock for the eliminator he was in another poor period for heavyweights. Tyson was all but done and his career high seems to be a draw and a win over 39 yo Holyfield.
disagree - Lewis' legacy has got stronger since his retirement. I've had a look on wikipedia - Boxing News ranked him has 3rd greatest heavyweight of all time and The Ring ranked him as the greatest heavyweight of the last 30 years (albeit 11th greatest of all time)
He fought and beat everyone he faced, avenged his two losses, and beat Riddick Bowe as an amateur and then Bowe ran away from the fight as pros.
I reckon Lewis had the ringcraft and his power would've beaten Fury. He faced better opponents than Fury as well IMO. Only Klitschko had pedigree. but anyway - lets not go all....
"Joe Louis was the greatest boxer who ever lived, when he fought marciano he was 75 years old"
I think Lewis is remembered through rose tinted glasses as time has gone on. Other than Razor Ruddock for the eliminator he was in another poor period for heavyweights. Tyson was all but done and his career high seems to be a draw and a win over 39 yo Holyfield.
I think the heavyweight division is always remembered with rose tinted glasses, there's always larger discrepancies within that weight, which lends to a lot of mismatches in fights, Lewis was a great boxer, he showed his skill through the years and knew when his time was up, a lot of them don't get that lucky.
As for Ali, he was from a period where boxers would have 5 fights a year easily if they wanted too, and would just go around the division fighting each other a few times, so many things going on in that era as well, both in and out of the ring, crazy compared to today's competition.