[Closed] Tyred of SUV’s

A little bit clunky in it's approach (is the SUV that does 5000 miles a year because the owner rides/walk for all shorter journeys more evil than the estate that does 20000 inc the half mile round trip school run etc etc ad nauseum) but quite like it in a way.

This was depressing reading but rather predictable - simple truth is most are pro change for a greener future as long as they don't have to do the hard yards themselves and it's someone else problem to fix for them. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/nov/07/few-willing-to-change-lifestyle-climate-survey

They could have a field day roaming round Harrogate. Full of Chelsea Tractors, most of which don't go up a kerb never mind their intended use.

Every days a school day, I hadn’t appreciated that the A81 has its own micro-climate

Not very environmentally friendly is it. Going to need four new tyres as many places won’t replace one on a 4x4 due to drivetrain issues with odd worn tyres.

Not very environmentally friendly is it. Going to need four new tyres as many places won’t replace one on a 4×4 due to drivetrain issues with odd worn tyres.

Deflated, not slashed. Just needed pumping back up.

I hadn’t appreciated that the A81 has its own micro-climate

Just shows what you know, I think you'll find "Mr MacConnacher, who drives 25 miles to Aberfoyle, Stirlingshire, each day for work, said he needs a large car as he often faces "challenging conditions" on the road in winter"

Do you think these people believe their own fairy stories? FFS man, if you just want a big car because you like them and think having one's fine because climate change is someone else's problem then just have the bottle to say so.

Unless you jump in and drive off without realising and bugger them up!

How many SUV drivers even know how to inflate a tyre? They do leave a big daft ‘calling card’ on the windscreen so you don’t just drive off. Although the overriding need to drive the kids the half mile to school probably still takes precedence over 2 flat tyres.

We've got a Grand Cherokee on the drive - anyone fancy slinging some tired stereotypes my way, or coming round and letting the tyres down? Go on, come and find out what the consequences of that would be.

They don't know the reason those cars are owned. Bunch of pricks. Anyone thinks they have the right to mess with someone else's property is mistaken, and all they're going to do is turn people against them.

You want people to stop driving big cars - lobby the government to enforce a mandatory upper emissions limit. Or, how about this - everyone gets an annual CO2 allowance, to be used how you feel. Cycle everywhere but eat emissions-heavy meat, or be vegan and drive a big car. Or cycle and be vegan, but fly abroad for holidays. Much better.

is the SUV that does 5000 miles a year because the owner rides/walk for all shorter journeys more evil than the estate that does 20000 inc the half mile round trip school run etc etc ad nauseu

I'm not sure if you saw some of the figures about this on the thread about Trek's environmental impact report, but to match the CO2 output of the production of a 4x4 a hatchback would have to do 60,000 miles. So the SUV doing 5000 a year is still terrible.

I thought these tickets were great. If this idiot works in Aberfoyle, why doesn't he live nearer instead of slap bang in the middle of Glasgow?

Idiotdogbrain- why do you have such a big car? Unless you're a farmer or similar it's extremely unlikely you need the size or the off road capability every day. You could rent something bigger as and when you need it.

Almost everyone that needs a car (which, in central Glasgow, is not likely to be many people at all) would manage fine with nothing bigger than a golf with a roof box.

most of which don’t go up a kerb never mind their intended use.

Well that’s bollocks - cars park on pavements all over Harrogate (and not just SUVs).

But I agree with the poster above - it’s complete arsehole behaviour - no matter what these people think, they don’t have the right to do shit like that and no-one should condone it.

How many SUV drivers even know how to inflate a tyre?

Probably just as proportionate as other vehicles. I don’t think driving an suv makes you less knowledgeable on car maintenance.

Vandilsing someone’s car isn’t going to change their mind, it’ll piss them off and hate the cause.

everyone gets an annual CO2 allowance, to be used how you feel. Cycle everywhere but eat emissions-heavy meat, or be vegan and drive a big car. Or cycle and be vegan, but fly abroad for holidays. Much better.

Great idea - bagsy I get to be the one who administers it all - I love doing really simple stuff.

anyone fancy slinging some tired stereotypes my way,

You seem to have all those bases covered 🙂

Been told by a mate in the West End of Glasgow this has been happening for a while, mainly just leaving the placards on the ‘offending cars’ rather than actually deflating the tyres. I guess the tyre thing has escalated recently there for obvious reasons.

I dunno, depends on how grumpy I am (it changes on an hourly basis) but if I was to find my van with deflated tyres I wouldn’t be that pissed off, reinflate and carry on. Vandalism in its very loosest sense.

don’t think driving an suv makes you less knowledgeable on car maintenance.

I’d like to wager it is.

Well thank **** my forthcoming BMW is a SAV and not a SUV.*

As John Travolta once said "Don't **** with another mans vehicle. It's just against the rules" 😉

* and its electric , so hands off

I thought these tickets were great. If this idiot works in Aberfoyle, why doesn’t he live nearer instead of slap bang in the middle of Glasgow?

Idiotdogbrain- why do you have such a big car? Unless you’re a farmer or similar it’s extremely unlikely you need the size or the off road capability every day. You could rent something bigger as and when you need it.

Actually, we have it because we have horses, and have a trailer that needs a tow vehicle with a substantial towing weight, and the GC was the cheapest, most reliable we could get for the money. On several occasions we've needed to get one of the horses to the emergency vet hospital near us, and having the facility to do that could be the difference between them living or dying. If we needed to do that and some arsehole had let the tyres down because they had decided that we shouldn't be allowed to drive it, then they'd be regretting it for the rest of their existence.

You don't know what reason someone has for having a particular mode of transport, nor do you know whether it might be needed in an emergency.

This whole thread is a let down. !

I live pretty much on the direct route between Glasgow and Aberfoyle. You would be lucky if there is one day in 5 years when all season tyres on a front wheel drive car wouldn't get you there.

Why not just say I like landrovers and it's my choice?

I plan to fly to the west coast USA next year. For a holiday. And drive a big car a few thousand miles while I'm there. Because I want to.

We need more of this kinda thing.

Generally I support extinction rebellion's actions. Would like to join in, but I've too much currently to lose. That probably goes for most people.

I plan to fly to the west coast USA next year. For a holiday. And drive a big car a few thousand miles while I’m there. Because I want to.

You bastard.

edit: You lucky bastard.

is the SUV that does 5000 miles a year because the owner rides/walk for all shorter journeys more evil than the estate that does 20000 inc the half mile round trip school run etc etc ad nauseum

However few miles you do in your SUV you'd have less of an impact doing it in a smaller more efficient car.

As for winter conditions - they do make these special tyres for snow, and if you really are worried they do make 4x4 normal cars too.

To be fair to the guy in the story (and go against all those saying you don't need an SUV there) how do you know he doesn't stay 200 yards down a private lane that doesn't get gritted/ snow cleared. Only mention this as a guy I work with from that area has this particular problem in winter.

but to match the CO2 output of the production of a 4×4 a hatchback would have to do 60,000 miles.

That is BS since alot of mid sized SUV's are based on the same platforms as hatchbacks - the BMW X1 for example shares the same platform as a Mini Hatchback and the X3 shares the same platform as a 3 series - they are essentially the same cars. And its the same with VW's, Audi's, Fords etc. Modern car production is extremely efficient. The amount of parts that are shared and from common suppliers between different models and manufacturers is very high, and on the same production line you might have an SUV followed by a small hatchback being assembled not to mention sharing the same engines and gearboxes. So the production CO2 sink into a mini vs an X1 is essentially the same.

lmost everyone that needs a car (which, in central Glasgow, is not likely to be many people at all) would manage fine with nothing bigger than a golf with a roof box.

And why assume that everyone who happens to be in Glasgow at any given point in time actually lives in Glasgow? Is it not conceivable that most people will live outside of the city or maybe even just be visiting and might live hundreds of miles away or just passing through? Might be bringing their kid up to university so needed the bigger family car? there are a million and one possible reasons why people might be in Glasgow in a large car at any given time - it might even be a rental car because they only have a small hatchback. This is the problem when you make assumptions about other people, who you don't know anything about...you're just not sure if you're actually hitting the people you're targeting, but for these people they don't actually care as the ends justify the means and collateral damage is acceptable. Just as long as they feel better about themselves and have bragging rights down the coconut latte bar regaling people of stories of their adventures saving the planet by inconveniencing a few strangers who they don't know for ten minutes. The reality is they're not changing a thing, they're just pissing people off. It's nothing more than narcissistic virtue signalling. This global challenge is difficult and demands an intelligent response not gangs of thugs rampaging the streets.

STW , the only place where inhabitants piss their pants about owners of SUV’s one day whilst dreaming of owning a VW transporter to ferry their bikes about the next…….😂

dickheads be dickheading. We've randomly, without any information about you or what you use your car for, decided that it is bigger/more expensive than it needs to be, and have therefore vandalized it and left you a condescending note. Staggering arrogance.

"...to raise awareness of..." has a lot to answer for.

The repeated use of the word "luxury" makes me think that maybe this isn't all about the climate.

Anyone who thinks about interfering with a safety aspect of any road going vehicle is completely out of their mind. If any one of these vehicles pulls out, they could get down the road before it becomes obvious that the tires are underinflated. Under inflated tires if not flattened entirely may not be immediately obvious and can still significantly impact vehicle control. This could potentially cause a crash, single car or into another road user (perhaps someone on a bike). Think of the CO2 impact of creating another car or tow replace vehicles which already exist.

You could use the defense that the drivers have been notified in writing but paper flyer in Scottish weather isn't likely to stay on a windscreen for long.

In climate change it is your own responsibility to do your bit. It is another subject where people love to use the moral high ground to judge others. Messing with peoples property is not a way to win supporters.

As a disclaimer I'm not a fan of SUV's. I just don't agree with these actions.

I think that the problem with SUV’s is that they spark off an ‘arms race’ on the roads. Everyone has to be safer than everyone else.

There’s a perception that if you have an accident, then it will be with some prole in an inferior vehicle.

Though, when you see the accident reports from the USA where SUV’s are ubiquitous, they’re still glorified tin cans in a collision…

There’s not enough of this kind of footage in a British context.

Years ago, the govt should have classified them as agricultural vehicles, with speed limits to match.

Deflated, not slashed. Just needed pumping back up.

Not really, once you’ve had 2T of car crushing the side walls the tyre should be replaced.

This is mean-spirited vandalism at best and nothing to be admired.

Rather than target individuals who now have to disrupt their day-to-day with pumping or tyre replacement it would have been better to have spent the time applying pressure to government or campaigning for change.

I plan to fly to the west coast USA next year. For a holiday. And drive a big car a few thousand miles while I’m there

Not a problem - as suggested above  I've organised a simple impliment CO2 allowance scheme that will allow you to pay for your opulence by offsetting your flight with falafels - I'll email a spreadsheet to fill out - simply verify with the airline which make and model of jet you'll flying on, the distance travelled, the percentage occupancy of passengers and cargo and the direction of the prevailing wind and calculate the fuel consumed per ticket on your journey and extrapolate from that the carbon  created - you'll need to have your figures independently verified and signed by a qualified travel agent, airline pilot, air traffic controller or planespotter,

You can then select from one of my delicious vegan recipe cards and calculate how many vegan meals you need to eat to be able to 'afford' your flight. Every day you'll need to have your coupon stamped by someone behind the till in Holland and Barratt. If three of you have your coupons stamped at the same time the cheapest of you will get stamped for free.

You'lll have to make your whereabouts know at all times  during this period as you'll be required to submit to random stool sampling by Gillian McKeith and ensure you're not heavily emitting any meat.

Stamp Gillians coupon

Reduce your post count on STW so that it seems you at least ride a bike sometimes - get Chipps to stamp your coupon

Leave your coupons in my pigeon hole and I'll get back to you in due course.

how do you know he doesn’t stay 200 yards down a private lane that doesn’t get gritted/ snow cleared. Only mention this as a guy I work with from that area has this particular problem in winter.

The west end of Glasgow has this problem?

Absolutely stupid tactic if you ask me.

All that's going to to do is piss those owners off and make them more defensive of there choices.

Also, I bet some people on this forum would have a different opinion on the matter if instead of SUVs, they targeted T5s and Octavia estates.

how do you know he doesn’t stay 200 yards down a private lane that doesn’t get gritted/ snow cleared.

I stay more that 200 yards down a private road that doesnt get gritted or cleared by anyone other than me or my neighbours on the the estate, we're at a bit of altitude so get a bit more snow and ice than the surrounding region. The solution is pretty easy - either we clear it sufficiently - which takes about 20 minutes, or if we know the weather is going to be bad I just park my car near to where the roads do get cleared and walk those extra few yards.

It has been an issue requiring any effort or action maybe half a dozen times in the last decade.

What are the emissions of the tow trucks sent to uplift these by breakdown trucks?

If those tires are completely flat with 3ton on them I wouldn't want to inflate them and go driving.

Ill thought out vandalism if you ask me.

A T5 is takes up a lot of room and also does more damage to environment than a lot of smaller cars. Does this give the right to anyone who drives a smaller car to do this sort of thing to vans. Not all are business vehicles. Think it's more about the dislike of the type of driver associated with these type of car. Who decides what size of car is fair game. It's wrong

I'm intrigued by the pharmacist who claims he needs a Land Rover to do his job in Stirlingshire. I'm struggling to think of pharmacies that are off a main road - and the only one that's affected regularly in winter in Killin and the pharmacist there lives in the village....

I can't believe that so many people on this thread, after seeing the data on the ticket that SUVs are the second biggest contributor to the rise in emissions and if they were a country they'd be the seventh biggest polluter, are siding with the SUV owner. Even if they're car based, SUVs use more materials to manufacture, are less aerodynamic, heavier and less efficient. And, in the middle of a climate crisis, people on this thread are saying that they own one simply because they want to??? And that it's not anyone else's busines? It is. The climate crisis is everyone's business and your selfish choices are the problem. Your decision to own an SUV will impact my future.

You don't need an SUV to tow a horse. My folks use a Volvo estate. You don't need an SUV in the snow. The Swiss use Subaru and Suzuki hatchbacks with four wheel drive. You don't need a T5 to move your bikes around once a week. Nor do you need an SUV if you haul stuff to the dump once a month. And you definitely don't need one in the middle of Glasgow.

STW , the only place where inhabitants piss their pants about owners of SUV’s one day whilst dreaming of owning a VW transporter to ferry their bikes about the next…….

It's not the same people...

You bastard.

edit: You lucky bastard.

It's the US, have you been to the US?

Car ownership is the problem not 4x4s. The problem is there are too many cars on the road. They are just picking an easy target 4x4s. Funny how defensive and precious some posters are about their vehicles. It’s only a metal box on wheels it’s not your child 😂

Fact is the majority of the cars parked in the west end of Glasgow (or any city/town for that matter) will be used mainly for journeys less than 2 miles. If we could get people out of these cars we would not only reduce CO2 emissions we would also reduce the burden on the NHS.

how do you know he doesn’t stay 200 yards down a private lane that doesn’t get gritted/ snow cleared. Only mention this as a guy I work with from that area has this particular problem in winter

There's this thing called walking.

I used to drive 7 miles up Highland single-track road to work in a Yaris with snow tyres. It was in many ways better than the farmers 110's - mainly with narrow tyres and low weight it would actually stop and steer.

If needed I walked the last 3/4 of a mile up the driveway to work.

If the snow was that deep, did I really need to be at work? We got organised with freezers of food, ready for the winter weather hiccups.

matt_outandabout
Full Member

I’m intrigued by the pharmacist who claims he needs a Land Rover to do his job in Stirlingshire. I’m struggling to think of pharmacies that are off a main road – and the only one that’s affected regularly in winter in Killin and the pharmacist there lives in the village….

It's Aberfoyle, so erm, yeah, very much on the main street

Matt, there’s this thing called disability. Not everyone is capable of walking 3/4’s of a mile in the snow, so they use vehicles they find suitable…….
My mum and dad have an SUV just because it’s the easiest vehicle for her to get in and out of.
Not saying chap in the OP was the same, just throwing out another use case.
Agree though if the snow is that bad work isn’t a consideration, but not everyone has the luxury to stay in until the conditions ease.

I think it's about time lifestyle vans were vilified to the same extent, or kids who get cars as soon as they turn 18 regardless of whether they need them, how about the vans with illuminated sign boards. We have one that roams Rossendale advertising Dominos, big LED screens 3m x 4m on both sides of the van, parks up for hours with the engine running. Hell people who park up in McDonalds to eat their drive through meal and leave the engine running, people who sit in traffic jams with engines running, got stuck on the M65 for 2 hours not long back, was a good 20 minutes before most people turned engines off, mine was off as soon as I realised the traffic a good few hundred yards a head wasn't moving.

SUVs are a tired cliche to hate, mainly driven by jealousy (and people with mkre money than the haters). No excuses for these self righteous nobbers, their actions are purely to make them feel good about themselves.

Even if they’re car based, SUVs use more materials to manufacture, are less aerodynamic, heavier and less efficient.

In some cases not

My 60 reg CRV does a considerably better mpg than a petrol ford focus owned by the girlfriend

It's not a typical SUV, two weeks in the Devon lanes showed that big posh ones (Q7, Q5, X5, mercs etc) lack a reverse gear

Does this give the right to anyone who drives a smaller car to do this sort of thing to vans.

Yes,. I drive an Aygo have the right to vandalise any bigger cars (which is most cars) but I will need to watch out for attacks from those even smaller and more efficient cars.

SUVs are a tired cliche to hate, mainly driven by jealousy

Yup I'm super jealous of how they can barely fit along small Lake District roads, and seemingly can't be driven even a centimetre into the verge. Looks super useful.

When I got together with my missus she drove an AMG Mercedes, then a Range Rover Velar, then a Porsche Cayenne. Now she drives my Berlingo 😆

My 60 reg CRV does a considerably better mpg than a petrol ford focus owned by the girlfriend

But a Honda Civic built on the same platform with the same engine does approx 20 more miles/gallon. (I own a CRV)

I’m intrigued by the pharmacist who claims he needs a Land Rover to do his job in Stirlingshire.

Making deliveries to remote households?

But a Honda Civic built on the same platform with the same engine does approx 20 more miles/gallon. (I own a CRV)

Quite likely, but the comparator isn't a civic it's all other cars. Plenty guzzle a lot more fuel

The reality is they’re not changing a thing,

If it maybe makes people think twice before buying an SUV then it's achieving something?

If they really cared, they would go around inflating tyres.
Someone not Ito cars/ or who doesn’t drive particularly enthusiastically can probably get down to 15psi before they notice the handling or the appearance of the tyre.
Do that to every car in the country, and reduce the emissions. All for the cost of literally the air around us.

They won’t, because they like showing off and making a point, more than the actual results.

Unless you jump in and drive off without realising and bugger them up!

If you dont notice 4 flat tyres then maybe driving isnt for you.

People's reactions to this are interesting.

In the grand scheme of things a few tyres let down on pricier cars is a targeted inconveniencing of a few (presumably) wealthier people. Nobody was hurt, nothing was actually damaged. Some air was liberated, but you'd think they'd actually destroyed the cars from some responses...

It would appear COP26 has achieved less than the hype promised. And the public's general awareness of climate issues or what they can personally do is?
Still a bit meh, we've had the periodic jabber about it in the news, let's be honest nobody's significantly changing their habits... The rich and influential gathered ostensibly to solve a known and increasingly urgent issue and failed, why should anyone else do anything?

Dare I say it, those with the ability to do more personally, today are in the higher income brackets. The steps on offer tend to be a more expensive versions of the relative luxury already enjoyed by the upper income brackets: Ditch the Range Rover for a Tesla, replace your gas boiler with a leccy one and pay more for home heating, choose the more locally produced food options often more expensive than foreign imports, take an extra week off this summer and train it with the kids instead of flying?

Climate change and wealth inequalities are intrinsically linked, those that consume the most are the ones with greatest ability to change and understandably they are quite resistant to changing their own standard of living for the greater good.

Pointing out that they drive more polluting vehicles, by simply letting down their tyres isn't the most outrageous sort of action, who knows if it will have any effect.

I’m intrigued by the pharmacist who claims he needs a Land Rover to do his job in Stirlingshire. I’m struggling to think of pharmacies that are off a main road

Pharmacists don't just stay in their shop, but have to deliver things like oxygen cylinders to house-bound elderly patients who could be anywhere within their catchment area. I would imagine rural areas of Stirlingshire could get quite interesting in winter condition. I don't imagine asking them to hold their breath until the snow cleared would go down well...

SUVs are a tired cliche to hate, mainly driven by jealousy

What an insight. Do SUV drivers in massive Range Rovers and Q7's etc really drive around thinking everyone is jealous of them?

I'm kind of torn on this. I see their point but messing with other peoples vehicles is not cool*

Something should be done to reverse the SUV trend though, I struggle to understand why some of them even exist. X6 I'm looking at you, then bleaching my eyes.

Cars have actually gotten a good deal more efficient over the last 20 years, but this increase in efficiency has been wiped out by the increase in vehicle weight which is being driven by the fashion for SUVs. I see it daily when I walk by daughter to get the school bus. The School Run Mums are in Tiguans where a few years ago they would have been in Polos or Fiestas.

Punitive taxation for anything over 1,500kg, scaling again after 2,000kg - this lets smaller SUVs off the hook, which is fair as if its about emissions and environmental impact rather than a specific body type. Damage to roads is also proportionate to the 4th power of axle weight so heavier vehicles should pay more anyway.

*Unless they are parked on the pavement, in which case have at them.

I'm pretty torn on this one tbh. I own a pick up which gets used off road fairly regularly and carries loads I couldn't put in a car. But I'm probably in a minority of folk who actually use these things for what they were intended. However, as it's my only vehicle, realistically probably 80%+ of the miles I drive are on road. I hate the fact it is so inefficient but there really isn't anything else out there that would do what I need. The problem is:

munrobiker
Free Member
You could rent something bigger as and when you need it.

This just isn't an option. I can't hire a 4x4 at short notice for short periods and return it covered in mud and filthy in the back. It's not like a city car scheme or Boris Bikes.

SUVs are a soft target for people to make a noise. In the west I am led to believe that having an extra child will have a bigger carbon footprint than anyone saves by switching cars, ditching the gas boiler etc. I expect they'd have got a whole lot less support if they'd gone round deflating the tyres of vehicles with multiple child seats in them.

or...

climate change is a complex thing driven by multiple factors. Everyone can make a small change that will be easy for their individual circumstances whether that's eating differently, travelling differently, working differently. Just because you can make one of those changes doesn't mean that it's so easy for everyone else, but if they change something different then it's still going in the right direction. Alienating people because they don't choose to change one thing that you're passionate about could make them less likely to change other things that still align with your overall cause.

Way to bring people to your cause, let down their tires!

I don't drive a SUV, my Wife does, it's FWD and smaller and lighter than my 4WD saloon. I'd enjoy slapping the taste out of the mouth of anyone who thinks it's okay to let the tyres down on someone else's car.

Punitive taxation for anything over 1,500kg, scaling again after 2,000kg – this lets smaller SUVs off the hook

Sounds great, but... People driving enormous cars with enormous thirsty engines already spend enormous amounts of money on them.

I would suggest the emissions based tax classes already kind of take this vehicle weight thing into effect. Although it doesn't go far enough. Maybe we should couple that emissions tax class to miles driven.

Own a honking great 4 litre BMW Xsomethingorother, driven 20000 miles/year? that demands loads and loads and loads of tax.
Own a 8 litre porsche fun car for weekends, driven for about 200 miles/year? almost no tax.
Battery powered commuter scooter? 50p please.
Etc.

As there is very little co2 in the earths atmosphere I don't get all the push on reduction? If the climate is changing it can't be down to co2. It is estimated that co2 accounts for 0.04% of the earths atmosphere.

From National Geographic:

Earth’s atmosphere is composed of about 78 percent nitrogen, 21 percent oxygen, 0.9 percent argon, and 0.1 percent other gases. Trace amounts of carbon dioxide, methane, water vapor, and neon are some of the other gases that make up the remaining 0.1 percent.

Here:  https://www.nationalgeographic.org/encyclopedia/atmosphere/

Maybe we should couple that emissions tax class to miles driven.

maybe we could tax the fuel?
would be fairly proportial to pollution/consumtion, taking into account miles driven and vehicle efficiency?

It's an utter dick move and not cool at all. Block roads by all means but messing about with people's property, potentially making it un-roadworthy is bang out of order.

I would be amazed if it made one single person targeted more sympathetic to the vandals cause and imagine it will have the opposite effect. Well done.

My brothers mother-in-law had the tyres on her Vauxhall Mokka let down. Cue another pointless car journey from the AA to come and pump them up as she’s about 75 and can’t do it. Yay.

I think they protestors targeted their actions quite well.

Out of the 60 cars they disabled, the biggest sob story the BBC could find was a pharmacist who was 45 minutes late for work.

I mean, he would have been later if he didn't have a pump. If he hadn't had access to a pump he could have been hours late which could have affected patients. I guess whenever he has a cold his patients just have to suffer and die without his essential services.

Yeah, I think we can safely say most SUVs in the West End of Glasgow aren't 'necessary' for anything other than keeping Tarquin and Isolde safe when Mum or Dad can't be bothered paying attention to the road and crash into a Ford Focus.

If we needed to do that and some arsehole had let the tyres down because they had decided that we shouldn’t be allowed to drive it, then they’d be regretting it for the rest of their existence.

Ooh, you sound like Muhammad 'I'm Hard' Bruce Lee. I, for one, would like to hear more about how you would cause them regret for the rest of their existence.

I'd also like to hear more about how became so hard. You must be some kind of martial arts expert giant of a man to be so confident in your pain causing abilities.

Straight from the insulate Britain school of how to win people over. People don't care that SUVs tend to be heavier and less environmentally friendly. They know this and they buy them anyway. A little note shaming them and a one off inconvenience isn't going to change their minds.

@dallas95 - not sure if that's a serious post, but have a read of this

https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2021/02/25/carbon-dioxide-cause-global-warming/

I’d enjoy slapping the taste out of the mouth of anyone who thinks it’s okay to let the tyres down on someone else’s car.

Wow, this thread is really bringing the internet hard men out of the woodwork.

Normally you have to talk about kicking someone's dog to get this kind of reaction.

Ditch the Range Rover for a Tesla

um what wonderful bit of science led you to believe that buying a Tesla would turn you into an eco warrior?

This fallacy that EV is the must go route is ridiculous, it fails to address the upfront carbon cost, where the electricity comes from (and no the UK is not as green as a lot of people make believe and you can exclude Nuclear), and the recyclability at it’s end of life. EV is good for local air quality and for a long, long term goal, but not for the next 20 years..

Back on point though, this is pure vandalism non-one has the right to make someone else’s day hard just because they feel they have a moral right to do so..

I’d enjoy slapping the taste out of the mouth of anyone who thinks it’s okay to let the tyres down on someone else’s car.

Wow, this thread is really bringing the internet hard men out of the woodwork.

Normally you have to talk about kicking someone’s dog to get this kind of reaction.

Do you want some do you? 😉

Anyone who says they have to have an SUV because “horses” needs to take a long hard look at their integrity. Just admit it’s a want and if you’re ok with that crack on. But down get shirty with folk who point out your impact on the environment.

Do you want some do you? 😉

Yes.

Full disclosure, I will be deriving sexual gratification from the pain you inflict so I may make some unusual noises during our exchange. Don't be perturbed, just keep going.

How many of those cars will use a plug in tyre inflator to pump the tyres up? Don't they need the engine running to work off the car's power socket? If so the activists have caused additional emmissions

Maybe we should couple that emissions tax class to miles driven.

maybe we could tax the fuel?
would be fairly proportial to pollution/consumtion, taking into account miles driven and vehicle efficiency?

Again that is unfair on rural communities that *have* to do some miles just to get around and do life.

This fallacy that EV is the must go route is ridiculous, it fails to address

I think these things are widely recognised and understood, and EVs are still a better choice for when you need a new car, rather than for when you just fancy one.

But you have to consider people's behaviours and the freedoms they have. People do buy new cars anyway when there's nothing wrong with their old one, you're going to struggle to stop them doing that.

People do buy new cars anyway when there’s nothing wrong with their old one, you’re going to struggle to stop them doing that.

Good point - lets all deflate the tyres of all < 2 years old cars...

SUVs are a soft target for people to make a noise. In the west I am led to believe that having an extra child will have a bigger carbon footprint than anyone saves by switching cars, ditching the gas boiler etc.

I think the thing is that the choice to not have a child and the choice to not have an SUV/gas boiler are not equivalent. I can't see myself looking back in 20 years time wishing I had bought a ford kuga...

Do you want some do you? 😉

Yes.

Full disclosure, I will be deriving sexual gratification from the pain you inflict so I may make some unusual noises during our exchange. Don’t be perturbed, just keep going.

Really? Nice. Do you want to join a club? It's very discreet.

Something should be done to reverse the SUV trend though

I remember after living in Canada for 6 months 20 years ago coming back and really noticing how much smaller all our cars were than all the trucks etc over there.

Don't think I'd notice much difference now (or maybe theirs have got bigger still at the same rate?). Environmental cost aside they also have much bigger roads than us. These giant Q7s and such are an absolute pain on small country roads.