[Closed] Two thirds of a pint? Say what now?

I'm on the fence about the 2/3rds thing. It is a bit poncey and pointless (just go for a half if it's silly strength and you don't want to get too hammered) but then again you get (equally poncy) 330ml bottles

Maybe we should start a volume ponciness index. Where do we stand on 440s and half litres?

284ml - not poncy
330ml - poncy
379ml - poncy
440ml - ?
500ml - ?
568ml - not poncy
660ml - ?

Hang on, haven't we just done this with wheel sizes ?

I forget the name of the crescent.

Wyndham?

All a bit wild west up there these days...that poor Iranian bloke a few years back. 😐

Enterprising, but does that not affect the taste?

Hang on, haven't we just done this with wheel sizes ?

Hey Mike - tried the Karma Citra. Wasn't keen. Not a patch on Hop Hog.

doris5000 - Member
I'm on the fence about the 2/3rds thing. It is a bit poncey and pointless (just go for a half if it's silly strength and you don't want to get too hammered) but then again you get (equally poncy) 330ml bottles
Maybe we should start a volume ponciness index. Where do we stand on 440s and half litres?

284ml - not poncy
330ml - poncy
379ml - poncy
440ml - quite poncy
500ml - quite poncy
568ml - not poncy
660ml - not poncy unless overpriced Peroni
1136ml - not poncy

Edit - open for debate as I notice you asked how we feel. Hope you don't mind the Stein being added.

[quote=jam bo ]I went in a cider bar once in Bristol that only served in halves because it was allegedly so strong.
everyone just bought two halves...

ISTM we have a potential solution to the 2/3 pint thing right here. Just order 3 of them (and ask for a couple of empty pint glasses).

See for me the karma is more my taste, **** that's bad people like different things.

Wyndham?

All a bit wild west up there these days

Oh yeah. It's bloody lovely in pints though 😉

Now if I could find somewhere that sold Duvel in pints....:D

284ml - not poncy
330ml - poncy
379ml - poncy
440ml - quite poncy
500ml - quite poncy
568ml - not poncy
660ml - not poncy unless overpriced Peroni
1136ml - not poncy

Edit - open for debate as I notice you asked how we feel. Hope you don't mind the Stein being added.

perhaps we could just say that anything over 1 litre is by definition not poncy.

also, 250 ml stubbies - not poncy?

Just order 3 of them (and ask for a couple of empty pint glasses).

It crossed my mind. A quick scan behind the bar showed no sign of anything that might hold a pint. 🙂

No jam jars?

[quote=philjunior ]440ml - quite poncy

A "quite poncy" beer:

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aracer - Member
philjunior » 440ml - quite poncy
A "quite poncy" beer:

lets get one thing clear (ha), a glass with a stem is a LADIES GLASS!

Head brewer in a micro brewery here.
[url= https://www.siebelinstitute.com/products/sensorykits/ ]these[/url] are developed as a training aid for brewers to replicate off, and different flavours in beer. They work by adding a small amount of the actual compound that creates flavours like acetic acid, lactic acid, pear drops etc into base line beer sample. what wrecker describes sounds like Acetaldehyde. You'd be surprised by the amount of beer that gets sold over the bar that has recognisable defects.
The thing with real ale is that it isn't finished when it leaves the brewhouse, it requires cellaring properly to come into condition and its final flavour profile. What people are calling craft, generally in can, keg or bottle, doesn't. Its flavour is fixed at the point of packaging, as no oxygen comes into contact with it afterwards. hopefully.
I'll drink either, in any size glass, though i like my food on a plate

So glad I'm not a close minded idiot though.

Gosh, that's quite strong.

[i]checks his profile[/i]

Ah, I see where you live. That's almost a compliment, then...

Ah, I see where you live. That's almost a compliment, then...

Fights outside kebab houses?

But CAMRA was about putting real beer back into local pubs at prices people could afford.
Not identikit, over strength IPA sold to idiots by shysters at prices that would make a printer ink magnate weep with envy.

+1, I can understand the need for craft beer in the US and Australia, where it can be a real struggle to find a decent beer, but thanks to CAMRA it has been pretty easy to find good quality beer in the UK for a long time.

Don't knock Innes & Gunn just because they contract out their brewing, don't know their products, but there are plenty of good "brewers" who have nice recipes that are contract brewed. These modern large breweries are very good at producing a wide range of recipes nowadays. You would be surprised to learn who contracts out all or part of their brewing.

Re: pricing, it is all very well looking at the ingredient cost, the biggest element is often duty and these small brewers get very substantial duty incentives which will more than cover the increased ingredient bill.

+1, I can understand the need for craft beer in the US and Australia, where it can be a real struggle to find a decent beer,

I'm talking 10-15 years ago when I went there regularly, no need to go anymore.

Cause honestly there is a fantastic selection available all over the place, nz, and us was similar. Seem to remember 15 years ago in the UK theakstons was considered a bit exotic 😉

Also nothing wrong with trying new things you might like them

If you guys get all het up about 2/3rd measures you'd hate US Pints.

Are they fatter?

Seem to remember 15 years ago in the UK theakstons was considered a bit exotic

Hardly, it was owned by S&N and most of its production was brewed in Edinburgh, funnily enough I helped the family buy it back.

It was generally on the guest ale tap in lots of pubs back then...
No need to knock the Oz beer industry or be anti snob about craft, people doing things differently should be encouraged not looked down on

It was generally on the guest ale tap in lots of pubs back then..

It wasn't actually, the main reason S&N sold it was because they struggled to get it into pubs as a guest beer, it was portrayed as a "guest" in their retail chain, but was a house beer.

No need to knock the Oz beer industry or be anti snob about craft, people doing things differently should be encouraged not looked down on

I am not sure I did, just said they was a greater need, most knocking seems to come from craft lovers - but considering how much they pay, it is not surprising as they are more heavily invested.

Hardly, it was owned by SN and most of its production was brewed in Edinburgh, funnily enough I helped the family buy it back.

I used to live just up the road from Masham when they still brewed it there (and IIRC there was still some local production for a while even after Scottish and Newcastle got their hands on it). When they stopped making it locally, most pubs switched to Black Sheep. When I worked in a couple of local pubs I still remember the strict talking to about how and when the wooden casks should be tapped to be ready for when the previous one should run out.

Any establishment that puts the words 'craft' and lager' together, without bursting into hysterical fits of laughter, deserves to be fire-bombed!

Actually, one of the only reasons 'craft lager', or even 'real lager' never took off is that replicating Carling Black Label is actually really difficult. Any brewer can replicate pretty much any ale give access to the yeast*, but lager;
Firstly, takes actual skill to get something that defect free out of the primary fermenter.
Secondly, takes months of conditioning.

I can get a pint of homebrew from grain to glass in a week if I'm organised and manage the yeast well. Sitting it in a barrel of 6 months at 3C costs money though, which why places famous for their lager, tend to also be famous for their caves (Bavarian alps etc).

To put that in financial terms PBC will install you a 12bbl brew house for about £30k, or a lager brewhouse for £75k, plus the cost of the brewery having to hold stock for that long.

*and thank's to the Americans with White Labs and WYeast getting that particular 18th century Trappist strain you've been searching for has never been easier.

Seem to remember 15 years ago in the UK theakstons was considered a bit exotic

**not the draught mass produced brown biscuity rubbish you can still get.

[quote=mikewsmith ]Cause honestly there is a fantastic selection available all over the place, nz, and us was similar. Seem to remember 15 years ago in the UK theakstons was considered a bit exotic

Not really, as explained above, but you couldn't even get anything anywhere near that quality in most bars in NZ that long ago, nor in Australia 20 years ago (which is when I was last there). I was much more of a regular in UK pubs when I made those trips and certainly drinking real ale - there was a distinct contrast in the availability of good beer in bars in Australia and NZ at the times, you had to go to a real effort, whilst good real ale was available in most UK pubs (at least the sort I visited).

Any establishment that puts the words 'craft' and lager' together, without bursting into hysterical fits of laughter, deserves [s]to be fire-bombed![/s] whatever they can charge.

And as I said today the "craft beer" thing means we have probably more good breweries and bars opening here than the UK, in a reverse of the pub closing trend we are opening ones. Choice is fantastic 🙂

Yeah totally. Amazing range of beers here. Used to live across the road from Little Creatures in freo. Mad Monk, Sail and Anchor. Feral. Gage Roads. Squires. Coopers.

Did used to like Theakstons XB though.

The irony is probably that 25 years on you're probably even less likely to ever see cask boddingtons now!

More like 45 years on, Camra started in 1971.

The range of great beers in Australia and US is incredible, far outstrips the UK. And if I want to taste as many of them as I can in a night I'm going to want to drink schooners (or US pints, though with the double IPAs in the brewery down the road from me in Berkeley that means a max of two drinks before things go a bit sideways).

I used to live just up the road from Masham when they still brewed it there (and IIRC there was still some local production for a while even after Scottish and Newcastle got their hands on it).

I'm pretty sure they never stopped production completely - but I don't think the old brewery could have coped with the subsequent volumes. Modern breweries generally produce a much more consistent product - but lack the history and consequent romance.

Boddies was ace.
A proper session pint, the gold top of beer, a genuine meal replacement.

I always thought Boddington would make an excellent middle name too:
Alexander Boddington Whatever.
A man could conquer worlds with a name like that.

A man could conquer worlds with a name like that.

One of them has, he runs the company that does the phone votes for American Idol etc. It was a fine beer.

Boddies was ace.
A proper session pint, the gold top of beer, a genuine meal replacement.

Boddies [i]Cask [/i]was ace.

I think the only time I can recall getting a pint of regular Boddington's that wasn't fit to clean boots with was from the Brewery Tap when they were still brewing at Strangeways.

A man could conquer worlds with a name like that.

Are you thinking of Bonnington? (-:

Schooners? Pwaw, you're not doing too badly, guys. In my (new) local, I was fed up with annoying 300ml bottles (in combination with very slow table service being the norm), it was just not slaking my thirst!

I perused the drinks menu looking for the largest looking serving, based on the handsome pictures provided...

It turned out to be a Warstiener, which when it came 10 minutes later was a 200ml bottle, served with a flourish!

It seems the photos are "not to scale"

Hardly worth it really, but apparently just ordering 5 at a time is considered uncouth, and will only harm the image of the Brits.

I might upload a photo of the local later though, it makes it just about worthwhile!

Boddies Mild was rather tasty too.
Whilst we may mock Theakstons and Boddies (and perhaps John Smiths, although that is justified these days), they did at least continue to brew proper beers when most other stuff went to keg. Ok they were bought out by the biggies and were more a brand towards the later days. They did at least make proper beer. If they didnt, perhaps proper beer may have gone almost completely, if the biggies had had their way, it would have.
It does trouble me a little that, yes microbrewing is very popular now, what happens when the next drinking fad comes along? Remember Irish beers and themed pubs in the 90's? Its pretty rare to see Caffreys and Murphys on sale anywhere these days.

Its quite interesting to realise that Camra has more or less achieved its goal of keeping REAL beer freely available and it is flourishing. Its taken nigh on 50 years to return to the times of plenty and choice. Lets hope that things dont regress when the hipster bubble bursts (and it will!).

Schooners are for people with no taste in beer.

I give you the shameful beer of the north east in its traditional glass, a schooner.

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2/3 glasses should only be for beers over 10%.

To be honest, I was a strict lager drinker until this real ale stuff became popular, and I actually prefer it to lager unless the weathers really hot, although im strictly a blonde style drinker, can't stand dark ones.

I used to think that things like john smiths was just something that old men drink in wetherspoons, and it tastes like dish water to me.

So whether it Hipsters or CAMRA or both, I'm gratefull for the exraordinary variety of different flavours available now.

Sssscho am *hic* I.

[i]2/3 glasses should only be for beers over 10%.[/i]

Unless you know, you want to try a few different ones throughout your evening without getting totally bombed, find one you really like, then go for the pints. Most pubs rotate thier stock every so often so going strignht for a pint of a new type is a bit of a waste if you dont like it.

I'm pretty sure they never stopped production completely - but I don't think the old brewery could have coped with the subsequent volumes

I used to go for the black lagers or coopers in Aus back in 98/99

In NZ, Montieths brewery in greymouth was my favourite!

Unless you know, you want to try a few different ones throughout your evening without getting totally bombed, find one you really like, then go for the pints. Most pubs rotate thier stock every so often so going strignht for a pint of a new type is a bit of a waste if you dont like it.

Any good pub will let you have a taste for free to save you buying a drink you don't like.

To be honest, I was a strict lager drinker until this real ale stuff became popular,

It's been popular since I started drinking many moons ago, it's had some what of revival in recent years in being available in pretty much most pubs.

it's had some what of revival in recent years

I think that's rather understating the ale revival.

I think that's rather understating the ale revival.

Lots of new breweries popped up that's for sure.

Bloody hell. A "Tulip" glass.

How the hell you gonna glass someone with a tulip glass?

Carter would be mortified....

It gone from a declining market like all other beers to a small growth market - but still very much dominated in volume terms by the bigger Brewers.

Simon_Semtex - Member

Ah, CAMRA's militant wing, the Provisional IPA.

A petition and a few leaflets to start with, surely?

I just had a pint (well.... 2) of this at the bloody brilliant brewery down the road. It was very nice indeed, came in a pint glass, with a handle, wasn't served by someone with a waxed moustache, and I didnt have to take out another mortgage. Nobody used the word 'craft' during the experience, thankfully, so no prices were doubled.

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😀

Assume at 4.4%, that was for Debs then binbins. What did you have yourself?

A pint of red wine in a jam jar

😀

With a shot of knock off voddie thrown in I hope.

Of course. Projectile vomited on the way home without even breaking stride

At the opposite end of the scale, the hotel I stayed at on Skye last night had no local beer, or Scottish for that matter.

I nearly ended up with a can, sat at the end of the pier. (Natch)

Binners, Ahh, but was it "proper" like?

[quote=mattyfez ]

2/3 glasses should only be for beers over 10%.

ISTM there's already a standard alternative measure if that's what you want to do, one which is even more suitable for the purpose (and what I tend to drink beers in when at a festival, in order to try as many different ones as possible).

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Where small and strong beers are traditional.

I meekly said, "Oh, right, I'll have two thirds of a pint of that then."

you name will also go on the list...

when the times comes... PfffuuuoootttTTT! (that is the sound of a magic explosion where you disappear)

Oxymoron, Real-ale is a definition by CAMRA, a lot of Craft brewers don't sell it in that format because it's actually difficult for the pubs. If a pub want's to have a 'Craft' IPA on tap, if it's Cask (real ale) then it needs to be gone in 2-3 days otherwise it's off. A village pub isn't going to do anywhere near that mid-week. That's where keg's come in, they're pressurized, and remain sanitary so the beer lasts indefinitely. But it won't have a CAMRA "this is real ale" sticker on it, but in all likely hood will taste better, or at least hoppier & fresher.

Rusty Spanner - Member
Simon_Semtex - Member
Ah, CAMRA's militant wing, the Provisional IPA.

A petition and a few leaflets to start with, surely?

650ml glasses bring the beer alive

Rusty Spanner.... Provisional IPA?......Chapeau Sir!

That did make me laugh!

It's part of the beer drinking lottery out in the Wild West. Middies, schooners, metric bloody pints and proper pints, and possibly something called a pony that's pretty much a shot glass. I just ask for pints and accept whatever I'm given.

On the bright side the beers fantastic. Australia and especially WA is producing some amazing stuff.

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Too many sizes how will they cope (some are just further away 😉 )
My local has the first tasting from their new Brewery
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another new one opens
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Bright Brewery, sponsors of round one of the national enduro series
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Beer in small cans - some people are going to be getting really upset now...
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Not bad for WA
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Full Tassie bar

and to add some context there are some definitions of "Craft Brewery"
From the US

An American craft brewer is “small, independent and traditional”. This is defined as:

Small: Annual production of beer less than 2 million barrels.
Independent: Less than 25% of the craft brewery is owned or controlled (or equivalent economic interest) by an alcoholic beverage industry member who is not themselves a craft brewer.
Traditional: A brewer who has either an all malt flagship (the beer which represents the greatest volume among that brewers brands) or has at least 50% of it’s volume in either all malt beers or in beers which use adjuncts to enhance rather than lighten flavour.

They are sorting the definitions over here, lots of bars simply say we sell independent beers, so nothing from the subsidiaries of the major brewers, nothing against them just giving the little guy the chance.

Round here a pint starts about $8 (tax reasons) most decent local beers (craft) are about $10-12 the bigger the ingredient list or process needed the more it goes up. Local did some small batch Whyskey cask aged (American/Aus style) IPA that was up nearer $14 but came out around 9%

Imported goes up a bit more

Regardless as I'm sure will make the grumpy more happy about things you can run off and blame brewdog
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https://www.brewdog.com/lowdown/blog/brewdog-changes-the-law

You tightfisted lot just want something to moan about.
There are plenty of breweries, brewery taps and craft beer bars near where I live serving all sorts of beers in various sizes. Some of these establishments sell burgers with 'heritage tomatoes' and 'artisan brioche buns'.

Do you really want fizzy john smiths and a sausage roll that's sat in a glass case on the bar for 2 days with a pickled egg?

As my mother would say "afraid they might like it".

You tightfisted lot just want something to moan about.

No its the zealotry that I find rather tedious - we are not talking about fizzy John Smiths, we are talking about traditional Real Ale, which is a natural living product, historically and still often based locally and using local ingredients - I would say that is a lot more "artisan", whatever that means, than a craft beer made from imported ingredients.

I like to have ‘brown beer’ too, and yes it’s not always readily available. makes it more enjoyable when you do find it though 🙂

mefty - Member

I would say that is a lot more "artisan", whatever that means

It's a synonym of ****y.