[Closed] Trump- What does pussy mean.

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A feminist once told me there was only one slang word for lady parts but many for gentleman parts. That was a funny 45 minutes...

A feminist once told me there was only one slang word for lady parts

Was it jizz-pot?

...and possibly a pussy too, in the scaredy cat sense

Trump is such a pussy that he is always trying to hide under a cat.

I think it looks a bit foxy 😉

I assume its not gender related but I tend to avoid using it [ unless as a pun] as its [s]a bit gay*[/s]easy to misconstrue the intentions of the sayer when they use it

* like that one is and i avoid that as well

Was it jizz-pot?

... and in Trump's case I suspect it's a reference to the cat that sleeps on his head

I avoid using it as there are plenty of English slang words for the same type of thing, like asshole or douchebag.

Trump and his calling people pussy, promotes the idea that Trump's use of the word Pussy is misogynistic

Trump uses the word [i]and[/i] is a misogynist - the question is perhaps whether he (and others like him) change the meaning of the word by using it. Maybe he's not using 'Pussy' to mean 'mimsy' instead of 'coward' - i.e. swapping two definitions of the word that already exist - but giving the word his own definition in which 'cowardly' and 'womanly' are the same thing.

I avoid using it as there are plenty of English slang words for the same type of thing, like asshole or douchebag.

In terms of cowardice Pussy means cat doesn't it?

No!

Pussy is an objectified word for a woman (because it means vagina), a concept in which independence is removed and compliance suggested, like 'bitch'. Being someone's bitch means you do whatever they say, which is along similar lines to pussy meaning coward. See also pansy. Also consider concepts associated with the word 'emasculate'.

All these terms build on the idea of women as weak, feeble and compliant and men as dominant.

So yes, definitely misogynistic.

You said it, but that doesn't make it correct or true, it's like your opinion man, it means scaredy cat to me in reference to being weak or scared. 😆
Yes it means vagina if talking about vaginas, but if talking about people who are afraid or weak it means cat. Wikipedia said so..

It means coward and like any word can have various meanings, and in this case 2 at the same time, scaredy cat and lady bits.

Trump knowns this as he is a professional troll

So yes, definitely misogynistic.

... and what about the "c" and "t" ones for ladybits which are not generally used to imply any compliance or submission

doesn't make it correct or true

"Trump" and "Truth" are on the same page in the dictionary, but so is "Trumpery"

and cock, nob, prick etc?
Are they somehow reinforcing masculinity in a positive way?
I say bollocks
... and what about the "c" and "t" ones for ladybits which are not generally used to imply any compliance or submission

I agree which is why I mentioned those words, and C and T but they got deletes..

and cock, nob, prick etc?

I suppose you have to think why various synonyms for penis are rarely applied to women.

You said it, but that doesn't make it correct or true, it's like your opinion man, it means scaredy cat to me in reference to being weak or scared.

Yes, but the whole point of words is to convey meaning to other people, and if enough of them think it's misogynistic then you should not use it.

See also ****.

Otter's Pocket?

You said it, but that doesn't make it correct or true, it's like your opinion man, it means scaredy cat to me in reference to being weak or scared.

So why the case of Siliconosis Vaginitis about it?

Yes, but the whole point of words is to convey meaning to other people, and if enough of them think it's misogynistic then you should not use it.

I disagree, before this article it meant scared cat. If Jill can change the ,meaning of words by misunderstanding them then we all can. That's called postmodernism and is horseshit.

I suppose you have to think why various synonyms for penis are rarely applied to women.

Because women are rarely cocks or nobs? They can be arseholes.

**** was used to insult people for their perceived race. That is racism and wrong. Pussy is used to insult people for their cat like fear, that's just basic insults and OK by me.

I suppose you have to think why various synonyms for penis are rarely applied to women.

if I called a woman a nob would you construe it as a compliment ?

if I called a woman a nob would you construe it as a compliment ?

I dunno...is it Stupid Question Wednesday?

I dunno...is it Stupid Question Wednesday?

Yes, but the whole point of words is to convey meaning to other people, and if enough of them think it's misogynistic then you should not use it.

See also ****.

I'd imagine the vast majority don't consider the 'pussy' to be misogynistic.

In fact I know no-one who would even think of it being so, apart from a few people on here who seem to be professionals at being offended at everything.

Edit: And a few so called feminists.

scaredypants - Member

dunno DD, - tbh in my experience, almost all of those genitalia(l) terms (M&F) tend to be applied almost exclusively to blokes

You've not met me clearly 😆 Maybe it's a regional thing but dick/cock etc are pretty unisex here, in the same way as a dude can be a *. But not a *.

Pussy, used like this, is obviously misogynistic though. When you say it to a guy as an accusation of fear you're saying "You're womanly", and simultaneously trading on negative assumptions about women. It makes no sense to link it to cats, because the behaviour it derides isn't at all catlike.

I mean, "cat like fear", seriously? Cats are the animal you link with fear? Ironically, the animal you're looking for there is a mouse.

I'd imagine the vast majority don't consider the 'pussy' to be misogynistic.

Imagine all you like! Unfortunately imagining doesn't count. There are however plenty of people who do call 'pussy' misogynistic, which is enough. There are plenty of other words to choose from.

In fact I know no-one who would even think of it being so, apart from a few people on here who seem to be professionals at being offended at everything.

Weak response! 'You're just being hysterical dear, calm down'

Pussy is used to insult people for their cat like fear

Sorry - did I miss the definitive etymology of this word?

A feminist once told me there was only one slang word for lady parts

[url= http://www.rathergood.com/hedgehogs/ ]Some very, very, very rude hedgehogs would like to disagree. Best not to play this on loudspeakers in the office, or if the kids are with you. [/url]

I've always got time for you - fire away

My first fairly easy one was answered with "I dunno". I don't want to tax you any further tbh sweetheart. 😉

It makes no sense to link it to cats, because the behaviour it derides isn't at all catlike

I suppose you have to think why various synonyms for penis are rarely applied to women.

You're on to something. Something odd.

deadlydarcy - Member

So why the case of Siliconosis Vaginitis about it?

Because he's wrong and so is Jill. Not itchy about it, just interested. Also I am kind of an equalist and I think spurious offence taking by Jill in this case undermines the proper road to equality.
I'm not denying that Trump isn't a misogynist, but just because a misogynist used a word doesn't make that word misogynist. He was calling a man a scardeycat.

scaredypants - Member

what about pussyfooting around ?

Pussyfooting [i]is[/i] catlike, and obviously derives from cats. But that's a whole different term. Cruz hasn't pussyfooted about waterboarding.

Specifically here, what's kicked this off is calling Cruz a pussy for not being as into torturing people as Trump is. And again ironic, because what animal is more into torture than a bloody cat?

aww jees, is it constructive answer Thursday already ?

OK my guess (or rather attempt to answer a question that I don't really think is valid)? - Those terms are "not" applied to women because they are (outside of Northwind's experience) generally considered somehow TOO insulting to be applied.

That would make "prick" worse than ****, wouldn't it, and the implication of masculinity toward a woman worse than the emasculation of a male ?

(or [u]are[/u] you going to suggest that implying masculinity toward a woman is not an insult)

AFAIC, all those words are pretty much applied just because they're "rude" - same reason it's "you f*** c" rather than mere c***

http://trumpdonald.org/ That is all.

scaredypants - Member

(or are you going to suggest that implying masculinity toward a woman is not an insult)

It could be. But again, context. If you call a guy a dick are you saying he's masculine? Or are you just saying he's a pure [i]dick[/i].

molgrips - Member
Sorry - did I miss the definitive etymology of this word?

Obvs you did

"to act like a cat", "to act like a coward", or "to have sex with a woman".[4]

That's my problem NW - if I call somebody a dick, i'm not trying to imply anything about their masculinity (or even about their dick itself), and I'd be just as likely to call "him" a fanny or some other "lady"term that I suspect would be blocked and similarly that wouldn't be me suggesting he had one or trying to feminise him.

They're just rude words to blurt out in my view

Bitch is a more intersting one in my view as it (to me) has 2 definite interpretations and isn't (I don't think) often used just as a general rude word to shout.

(oh, and pussyfooting to me implies evasiveness or being overly cautious, maybe sneaky too which is how I'd interpret Trump's labelling of Cruz)

I'd say that calling a bloke a "dick/prick/cock...etc" is different from calling him a "fanny/pussy".

The "c" word is interesting because, despite the discussion about the nuances of penis-related insults and vagina-related insults, the "c" word is pretty much the worst* thing to be called isn't it? i.e. it's reserved for the lowest of the low. I wonder if the taboo which has built up around it has more to do with it being "the worst" thing to be called than it being a naughty word for the vagina. There's definitely a difference (not strength-of-insult) between it and being called a pussy or a fanny.

And to counter pussyfooting, what about "pussywhipped"?

Pointing out a woman and saying "Nice piece of pussy" is misogynistic.

Pointing out a man and saying "Nice piece of pussy" makes no sense.

Calling a man "a pussy" is not misogynistic, as in the context it means cowardly or scaredy cat, nothing to do with female genitalia or treating women as sexual objects.

White knights and professionally offended to the rescue........

pussywhipped is just the same as henpecked or jokes about who wears the trousers, isn't it. Just "cooler" because your mum would be shocked if she heard you saying it.

(and in with the #notaracist defence: ) I don't use the word pussy at all, incidentally - otherwise I'd probably not be on this...

... but if pussy implis a feminine approach to something like waterboarding (or general foreign policy) then suggesting he has a more considered, less overtly aggressive approach would surely be good, anyhwere other than middle America (where this shit is taking place, of course - all it really means is that Trump's going for the redneck & college-dickhead (or **** if we prefer) vote

lastly:

regardless of accepted etymology or rigid interpretation by some groups, language is a beautiful, vibrant and evolving thing and only pedants insist on strict application of outdated rules - don't they ?
Maybe pussy really does just mean coward* these days
*(Middle English: from Old French couard, based on Latin cauda ‘tail’, possibly with reference to a frightened animal with its tail between its legs)

professionally offended

As has to be pointed out quite often to simple minded souls (present company excepted), it's entirely possible to have these discussions and to take either side without being offended on behalf of somebody. HTH.

it means cowardly or scaredy cat, nothing to do with female genitalia or treating women as sexual objects.

Not sure how you know this for sure? Given the connotations of the word I am intensely sceptical. Cowardice is not the dominant characteristic associate with cats, despite the 'scaredycat' term. If I called you 'cat-like' what would you think of?

"to act like a cat", "to act like a coward", or "to have sex with a woman".[4]
from the venerable and unquestionable because its in colour -wikipedia

You've entirely mis-read that, it's talking about a verb form, which I've never even heard, and wasn't the form used by Trump.

Further down the page it says this:

The word pussy is also used in a derogatory sense to mean cowardly, weak, or easily fatigued. The Collins Dictionary says: "(taboo, slang, mainly US) an ineffectual or timid person."[17] It may refer to a male who is not considered sufficiently masculine, as in: "The coach calls us pussies."[18]

That clearly links weakness to the word. Given that historically women have been derided as weak, timid and feeble, and cats have not, this to me indicates a misogynistic usage.

That clearly links weakness to the word. Given that historically women have been derided as week, timid and feeble, and cats have not, this to me indicates a misogynistic usage

Maybe pussy really does just mean coward* these days

Possibly. But certain words fall into disuse through advancing (although the advancement is clearly a bit troublesome for some) moral zeitgeist. There are shedloads of examples. I'm not saying "pussy" is a terrible word, but it's an interesting discussion to see how people feel it's used. I have to say, I really don't believe anyone who says "to me, it's purely used as a synonym for a scaredy-cat"...kinda in the same way that I wouldn't believe someone who says "I only use '****' as short for '****stani' "

scaredypants - Member

(oh, and pussyfooting to me implies evasiveness or being overly cautious, maybe sneaky too which is how I'd interpret Trump's labelling of Cruz)

He was talking about waterboarding- Cruz hasn't pussyfooted about that at all, that's kind of the point. He came out strongly against it and got derided as a pussy for not being torturey enough. It's not just a random insult like, "he's a dick" would be here, it's obvious what was meant by it- he's weak, he's cowardly. Not cat traits.

("cowardy cat" or "scaredy cat" doesn't work at all here; it might superficially look like it does but neither suggests cowardice is a standard cat trait, that's why it needs the adjective)

Now there's a wee line to walk here, because obviously women aren't any more weak or cowardly than men. But if you put yourselves in the shoes of someone who'll call a man a pussy because he doesn't want to torture everyone- that person is definitely saying "you are womanly" not "You are like a cat". It's the same mindset that'll use gay as an insult. Or say that Clinton got "schlonged"

Because who the hell ever tried to insult a guy by saying they're like a cat? I'm scottish so I can make anything sound like a mortal insult but "Ya ****in cat" isn't high on my personal abuse playlist.

deadlydarcy - Member
professionally offended
As has to be pointed out quite often to simple minded souls (present company excepted), it's entirely possible to have these discussions and to take either side without being offended on behalf of somebody. HTH.

I think he meant the article author, but yes I do agree, this is a nice interesting discussion that hasn't strayed off into insults yet

Yet, I wouldn't have made the connection. So maybe it's just how you think?

Yeah or how you don't 🙂

Darcy puts it well btw.

this is a nice interesting discussion that hasn't strayed off into insults yet

Oh bugger, I blew it!

Yet, I wouldn't have made the connection. So maybe it's just how you think?

JOKe only nothing more.

Darcy puts it well btw.

No, he doesn't.

The only time I use pussy is talking about a cat. I've never heard it used in person, other than talking about cats. Not being American...

A common root for lady bits pussy, and scaredy cat pussy seems entirely more likely than some perma-offended sixth form feminist explanation.

maybe its just that you dont

He was talking about waterboarding- Cruz hasn't pussyfooted about that at all, that's kind of the point. He came out strongly against it and got derided as a pussy for not being torturey enough.

I still interpret that as simply "coward" but then I've led a sheltered life

Anyway, shut it you slaaaags*, I've got work to do
*flounces* (in a masculine way, obvz)

5thElefant puts it well btw.

5thElefant - Member

Maybe. I always go for the simple explanation.

Seems to me that we already know Trump is a misogynistic bellend; yours is the more complex explanation not the simple one.

Seems to me that we already know Trump is a misogynistic bellend; yours is the more complex explanation not the simple one.

I'm pretty sure he didn't come up with the term, or invent the wig.

I agree, and I don't want to give him or Jill Filipovic ownership of a harmless term to describe a scardeycat.

I've never heard it used in person, other than talking about cats. Not being American...

I'm not American either and yet I've heard it a lot. I wonder how that happened?

some perma-offended sixth form feminist explanation.

Mocking something doesn't make it wrong 🙂

I'm not American either and yet I've heard it a lot. I wonder how that happened?

And did they mean lady bits, scaredy cats or just cats?

I've heard both British and Americans use it in the derogatory sense, as in timid or weak person. Both in person and on telly.

I've heard both British and Americans use it in the derogatory sense, as in timid or weak person. Both in person and on telly.

Me too, they meant like a cat.

I've heard the youf dem prefer to use the term pussyhole these days
As in 'you is a pussyhole bruv innit'
(not directed at me obvs 😳 )

toys192 - Member

Me too, they meant like a cat.

Aye, course they did. Like a cat, in some way that cats aren't like.

Aye, course they did. Like a cat, in some way that cats aren't like.

So the phrase scaredey cat, that has been mentioned many times so far on this thread in relation to pussy, is now nonexistant and invalid because you say so NW?
Have you ever heard that phrase in common parlance? It's [url= https://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=chrome-psyapi2&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8&q=scaredy%20cat&oq=scaredy%20catr&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l5.4287j0j7 ]everywhere.[/url]

Indeed perhaps behaviourists will prove that cats are 100% brave and never run or hide, thus undermining this common metaphor, but nevertheless, people perceive cats as thus, and apply it to people who are scared by calling them a pussy.
Do you actually disagree that people have associated the cat with being scared?

The only time I use pussy is talking about a cat.

Me too, they meant like a cat.

😆

Do you actually disagree that people have associated the cat with being scared?

I do, actually, since we're splitting hairs here.

A scaredy cat is a cat that is scared. It's not the same as saying all cats are timid. For example, we also have the term 'catty' to mean lashing out, being offensive, rather than timid.

Your WHOLE argument is based around this one single term, scaredy cat. That's all you have, and we've presented tons of reasoning to the contrary.

Nobody said all cats are timid. Catty is not the same as saying all cats are catty is it?

Your WHOLE argument is based around this one single term, scaredy cat. That's all you have, and we've presented tons of [s]reasoning[/s] special pleading to the contrary.

FTFY

toys pussy can mean scaredy cat but it can also mean more

as an example i doubt many folk would call their children pussies - unless of course they were acting like a cat- but they would day scaredy-cat. I think the scaredy gives it a way about about being scared and scaredy mouse would probably work though of course they are just timid.I guess a woman with mousey hair has really timid hair? It either that or sometimes word mean different things even if they are broadly , or sometimes, in certain contexts, , synonyms.

As for arguing pussy only means cat like you are TJ amd i claim my ride on your tandem.

Nobody said all cats are timid. Catty is not the same as saying all cats are catty is it?

Well yeah, it pretty much is.

I once knew a timid giraffe, but I don't go round calling timid people giraffey.

surely you use that for tall people or those who fall over when they try to drink water?

As for arguing pussy only means cat like you are TJ amd i claim my ride on your tandem.

That would make more sense yes. Or yellow brown spotty people.

I can't believe you are arguing that a metaphor doesn't exist just because it meaning is not factually accurate. Who cares if cats are not actually timid, they are known as such in common parlance.

Ah, this bantz takes me back...

* waves *

toys192 - Member

Have you ever heard that phrase in common parlance? It's everywhere.

I already talked about it, so obviously yes. Stop and think about what you're actually saying here for a second- "scaredy cat", not just cat. To make it about being scaredy you have to say "scaredy cat". Obviously "cat" by itself doesn't imply fear or cowardice or weakness- otherwise, why do you need the adjective? You wouldn't call them a scaredy cat, you'd just call them a cat. But cat by itself no longer implies scaredyness.

Turn it around. If you say someone's catlike, what traits are you describing? Stealth and grace, usually. Maybe lack of empathy and selfishness. Not cowardly. If you call someone catlike, they don't think "Oh, he's saying I'm scared" do they? So if you say "pussy" and you mean "he's scared" how does it make any sense to say it's because it's "catlike"?

Have you ever heard the term "black cat" in common parlance? It's everywhere. So obviously when he called Cruz a pussy he meant he has black fur.

No he means he is scared.One of many perceived cat traits, if it was one of many perceived dog traits that had been picked up and turned into metaphor he would have called him doggy.

Have you ever heard the term "black cat" in common parlance?

What the hell does that mean?

God am I that transparent.

You Pussy.

catlike=stealthy graceful
catty=lashes out or scratchy person
pussy=scared
cat=cat

There are lots of utterly contradictory words in this. There is nothing about a vagina that is scared, weak or anything else. It is hairy though so maybe that's why its called a pussy, but then hold on, not all cats are hairy so that makes that metaphor invalid.

You Pussy.

That's true, I am a bit of a scaredy cat.

I use the word often in the throws of passion! Not sure what the hell I would call it otherwise?

I don't have a cat, I don't like cats, I will never confuse the two, I will never confuse a cat.