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As above, in a newish job had a course down in cotswolds last week so looking at forms in work.... they pay 11p per mile for a 2litre diesel... which these days only just covers actual cost.... is this a usual amount or a bit stingy? Cheers guys
Very stingy, but remember you can claim the tax back on the difference between that and the approved HMRC rate of 45p per mile (for the first 10,000 miles). I guess you'll have to do self assessment to get that though.
its pretty stingy. HMRC tax allowance is 45p per mile for the first 10k miles
Keep a track o the mileage and you can claim the difference as a tax deduction
Own car? Any other expenses paid towards the car?
Business insurance? If not, I'd be suggesting they provide a car for such things.
If you're a 20% tax payer, you might struggle to break even at that.
11p/mile sounds about right for a company car. Multiply that by 4 if it's your own vehicle.
Assuming you don't get any car benefits, I'd be pushing for them to provide a hire car or looking to do this sort of thing by public transport wherever possible. Receipts are hard to argue and what are you expected to do if you didn't have a car?
My car ? You mean the family car ? The car I don't have total custody over and therefore may not even be availible for YOUR business use ?
Business insurance?
Ooh, that's a very good shout. "Sorry, I can't, I'm not insured."
Yes it's my car so will query it, basic rate tax payer and will only be an occasional thing so won't be doing self assessment! Cheers for replies
45ppm and I've had 'business' insurance for years - no impact on premium.
From memory, the army insisted on business coverage if you used your own car and then paid something like 19p per mile, leaving you to claim the rest back through tax.
As the places I went were all at the other ends of the country (Brecon, Plymouth, Daaaarset, etc) it was a pain in the arse.
45p for first 10,000 miles and then 25p (I think) after that are the official rates
11p is pretty bad
I wouldn't use my own vehicle for 11p per mile. For that price it wil likely cover your fuel costs, but nothing to cover any general running wear and tear costs.
Personally i would have declined using my own vehicle for that. Unless it was a course that is really beneficial to yourself that may help with a new job in the future and you were desperate to attend.
Out of interest do they pay you overtime or give you lieu time for any travelling that was outside of your normal hours? If so, I would claim for extra hours to cover running costs. After all, if you were stuck in traffic for 30 minutes a day longer how would they know?
11p suggests a company car or lease through work.
After all, if you were stuck in traffic for 30 minutes a day longer how would they know?
Travel time is often paid by distance rather than actual time.
11p is low if they don't pay you a car allowance. If you get an allowance then I'd say it's fair game.
If you need to do a trip over a couple of miles, tell them your car is broken and you need to rent something
I wouldn’t use my own vehicle for 11p per mile. For that price it wil likely cover your fuel costs, but nothing to cover any general running wear and tear costs.
By way of comparison,
Back when I had a Mondeo as a company car, when I handed it back I calculated what it would have cost me to run if I were paying for it myself. Tyres alone would've cost me 10p/mile in rubber.
@Drac that is something I've never come across before, didn't know it was a thing.
I've always been paid travel time in the actual journey time in both public and private sector roles.
Thinking about it, it is actually a bad thing to do from a companies point of view, as it could easily encourage faster driving (and breaking speed limits), as it becomes an incentive to get paid the same for less traveling time.
I got 35p a mile years ago, 11p is super stingy.
Errmmm ok I queried it with line manager, the 11p is some wierd tax calculation figure in Excel... when I actually stopped having a paddy and filled the form in its more like 44 p a mile🤭 ok I won't burn the place down quite yet!
if I were paying for it myself. Tyres alone would’ve cost me 10p/mile in rubber.
Was that job you had for a couple of years when the company car was a Williams Renault? 😁
Thinking about it, it is actually a bad thing to do from a companies point of view, as it could easily encourage faster driving (and breaking speed limits), as it becomes an incentive to get paid the same for less traveling time.
Those that are going to speed are going to regardless of whatever excuse they have.
ouch thats scary – where they particularly expensive tyres?
They were over £100 apiece IIRC. I can't remember exactly now, it was a little while ago.
I use my own car for work, mainly for traveling to airports, but also throughout the UK carrying myself and tools and claim 45p per KM. Averaging around 12,000 mile a year.
Tyres alone would’ve cost me 10p/mile in rubber.
Are you sure? Did you drive like a total nobber? Mine currently stand at 1.4ppm.
45p for first 10,000 miles and then 25p (I think) after that are the official rates
And if your employers won't pay that, reclaim the balance from HMRC while you change jobs.
reclaim the balance from HMRC
it's worse than that, you only offset the balance against your taxable income thereby just getting back the amount of tax saved.
Travel time is often paid by distance rather than actual time.
Are you sure that it's often a thing and not the exception? Ive always been paid for the time taken.....I mean when it's in work time it's in work time surely. Or is it one of those that leaves at stupid o'clock to arrive at the remote worksite for 8am for no thanks.....
Travel time is often paid by distance rather than actual time.
Its working time and should be paid at your hourly rate. Its also included in your 48 hr max week and in your must have 11 hours off between shifts
Its time you are working
It might be easier for your employer to do it by distance as in "that 30 mile journey will take an hour and use the mileage to calculate time" and you could agree to that if you wanted but it clearly falls under time worked.
I guess you’ll have to do self assessment to get that though.
Not exactly.
It's a simple online form to complete.
(Unless your situation is complex).