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Indeed mol, which is why its a shame that the debate gets wrapped up in this one-tier versus two-tier (multiple tier?) BS.
Anyway, has Gove made his statement yet?
He's just about to, I believe. Annoyingly, I have to go and teach so I'm not going to be able to watch it live.
Im also a fan of the baccalaureate type approach too - at least in terms of a broader shallower education to (around) eighteen. It's similar to what I got and I'm pretty awesome, even by my own standards
you are Mr Gove!!!
so its the EBacc
i suppose the biggest difference it comes down to 1 final exam vs coursework
personally i dont see a problem with gcse being 100% coursework assessed at 16 and then an exam at 18 when kids (now) leave school
this made me chuckle in goves speech
And this year thousands of ordinary students have suffered because [s]the modular design[/s] [I decided to **** it up by influencing regulator] of the English GCSE — linked to the amount of coursework in school — has undermined faith in grading and marking ...
He does not even believe that himself
I know they have to spin stuff but why the need to lie their arses off [ not a political point many politciains do this]
I dont think there is anythign worng with a balance of exam and course work as course work favours those who work hard and exams favour those who are brightest [ as defined as good at tests] I was the later and anything course work harmed me as I was incredibly lazy.
Not sure what the actual plan is as it the BBC is low on detail
Have the scrapped RE from the curriculum - I will pray for that one
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Have the scrapped RE from the curriculum - I will pray for that one
Irony LOLs
Seriously though - isn't RE pretty essential (we call it RME up here)?
No.
I agree druidh - whatever one's religious position, I think that the A level Theology, Philosophy and Ethics paper ticks a lot of boxes in terms of what wider education is all about. Excellent, critical analysis of theology, some challenging philosophy (16-18year olds dealing with Kant) and practical Ethics. Provides an excellent platform from which individual's can make informed and critical decisions across many topics that they face every day.
The GCSE exam for 16-year-old children in England is to be replaced by an English Baccalaureate certificate (EBacc), with the first courses to begin in September 2015.
- http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2012/sep/17/gcses-replaced-english-baccalaureate
The "bacc" bit sounds like a deliberate smokescreen to me.
Tinker, rename, rebrand, fail to address real issues or problems with a considered approach. Business as usual then.
critical analysis of theology
A half hour lesson should have that one sorted or say 5 minutes and we say and the proof is ......and we all stare at our shoes etc whist we wait for the deity of choice to appear I will be summoning Amun ...your choice will be ?
I dont disagree re Philosophy and Ethics but religion FFS we may as well mandatory teach homoeopathy for all the evidence there is to support them as true.
A half hour lesson should have that one sorted......
And yet STW seems to need countless threads, consisting of countless pages, lasting for considerably longer than half an hour, to deal with the issue.
Funny that.
Are you suggesting of the 100,000s of people who take a maths GCSE each year that there'll be a significant variation in how good one year is vs. the next?
What say like the difference between the January 2012 English Result and the June one?
e former schools minister Nick Gibb said school textbooks needed to change "so that we encourage publishers to move away from textbooks that are a step-by-step guide to passing the GCSE and towards textbooks that are rich in knowledge of the subject, that encourage pupils to read beyond the confines of passing the exam and which provide greater scope for academically able children to flourish".
what a lovely romantic notion!
...and a pretty sensible one at face value.
PSA: JY Stephanie (ED to the power of 2) Flanders on economics tonight at 21:00 BBC2. Keynes this week, Hayek (for the STW massive!) and Marx (for the real STW massive?) the week after.
Three of the most mis-quoted and mis-understood economists of all time, but hopefully she will make a better stab at presenting what each of them actually said. Worried that the BBC PR describes how current world leaders have drawn on Keynes now. Not sure Krugman & co would agree with that!
Why would any schools buy books which dont help in passing exams? Suggests they are planning to examin the wrong stuff.
A syllabus that encourages the above would be better than just textbooks.
Although, to be fair, that's what we aim for in this country. Many other countries just drill facts and that's that, as far as I can tell.
A-A, is that really how you interpret the comments?
Why would any school buy books that merely focused on how to pass exams. Anyone can buy a CGP revision guide but as DD said above, education is a lot more than that isn't it?
teamhurtmore - MemberTo give Gove some credit,
No;never. 😀
Can we come in with you guys and get rid of the Curriculum for Excrement?
I haven't seen the full statement yet, but all his hints have been so at odds of what we are introducing (not that I as PT History have a CLUE what we are introducing)
Teamhurtmore you seem detached from reality. Want to spend a day in school with me? Schools are judged on results end of story why get books in with a load of extra stuff they dont need to know?
Because education is more than merely exam results. Sorry if that is so divorced from reality but thanks for proving JY more correct than me!
Argh bless what a romantic you are, like I said come and spend a day with me.
I always had the impression I was marking the parents rather than the kids when marking continuous assessment unless it was done in the classroom. Any continouous assessment leads to discrepancies across classes within the same school let alone between schools in different areas.
I'm in favour of a single government organised exam with no course work or continuous assessment for the vast majority of sujects. Clearly more practical subjects, and subjects demanding imagination and creativity will need exams lasting several hours if not a whole day, and making considerable resourses available to candidates in the exam.
We used to do our continuous assesments in the classroom, never at home.
Including all your English literature essays, history/geography projects and the like, Molgrips? If so I'm pleased to hear it.
So anyway ........ what about the falling standards in Eton ?
Apparently kids are leaving British public schools without the most basic understanding of Latin.
Which is quite frankly a disgrace imo.