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FFS. 🙄
I didn't see it but you seem shocked and appalled, I suggest a strongly worded letter to the BBC.
Charles Saatchi, who owns her 'unmade bed' is selling it. She was on commenting about what she thought about that and how different she is nowadays from then.
What's your point caller?...
how different she is nowadays from then
She makes her bed now ?
No she now has some flunky who makes and bed and tidies around it.
She was on R4 talking about it as well... she came out with some rather personal revelations, which I don't think listeners wanted to hear.
She has to re-install the whole thing every time there's a show. All the components are in plastic bags and have to be laid out according to the plan, even the fluff on the floor.
Ghastly harpy of a woman altogether.
Not really my taste in art but on r4 she came across as open and honest, if talking about contraception methods offended you then I think you need to get out more. I expect her to be a bit"artsy" after all she is an artist ( you probably disagree) and although she's not my taste in art I think she at least keeps true to her self.
I watched a documentary about her once. She's actually a bloody good artist who has produced some shit mainly commisioned by nice guy Saatchi. This shit was in the media because Saatchi is an attention whore with a look at me attitude.
I think it qualifies as "art" if someone will buy it. . . . . . .
it's art because she's [url= https://www.royalacademy.org.uk/artist/48 ]Tracey Emin [/url][b]RA[/b].
I like her attitude, can't stand her art.
Is this art?
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Woppit, I don't know art but I know I like marmite.
And with that, I end my contribution to this thread.
Is this art?
Well the urinal is on its side which initially confused me. This challenged both what I see as normal accepted conventions and my own perceptions. I found the whole experience 'thought provoking'. So yes, it's definitely art. Where can I see it exhibited ?
Well the urinal is on its side which initially confused me.
It's on its back, hence the confusion.
Sometimes 'art' is just for taking the piss.
Well the urinal is on its side which initially confused me.
That's because it's on it's back 😉
(Doh, 25 seconds too late)
Where can I see it exhibited ?
tate modern i seem to recall.
Why would you watch Tracey Emin unless you wanted to be shocked, that's her calling card as it where. Not unusual in modern Art, you have to do something to get noticed.
It's on its back
It's this rigid interpretation of accepted norms, conventions, and protocols, which lacks the ability to understand "art".
And why those who fail to understand art cannot see beyond the mere "object".
Casting a rather more artistic eye I perceived the urinal to be resting on its side rather than its back. In art "truth" is a personal experience.
I didn't see it but you seem shocked and appalled, I suggest a strongly worded letter to the BBC.
Not at all.
Charles Saatchi, who owns her 'unmade bed' is selling it
produced some shit mainly commisioned by nice guy Saatchi.
Strange that. Pays £150k for that ridiculous bed and is looking to sell it it for around £1 million.
Or is the urinal orientated in the correct manor and it's merely the perspective of the viewer that produces art. Ie are you on your belly in some kind of sling against the wall looking down.
Either way, it's going to leak if I take a piss in it.
Is the urinal art because it's laid on its back/side and so challenges you to look at its form rather than function?
Or is it art just because someone signed a lump of pottery you piss into and put it in a gallery (where art goes).
Reckon Duchamp would have been happy with either.
Casting a rather more artistic eye I perceived the urinal to be resting on its side rather than its back.
Yeah, that's great.... but it's still on it's back.
The story behind that urinal (just looked it up) is pretty interesting and just goes to show what a crazy world of emperor's new clothes the whole art movement is.
[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/art/3671180/Duchamps-Fountain-The-practical-joke-that-launched-an-artistic-revolution.html ]Torygraph article here [/url]
To be fair, some of her drawings and paintings are rather beautiful, but you don't see them often. Much like lichenstein's painting that don't involve dots or pollock not throwing paint around. Artists are often known (musicians to if you think about it) for one or two pieces of work that define them, wether they like it or not. If you need to keep your name in the public eye to sell art and fill galleries then you need to talk about what people know in order to show them what you like. People expect Emin to be a bit of a ****, and that is the persona she has to present, otherwise people will not talk about her, not book her for TV shows/ magazine articles/ galleries, the value of her art plummets and the aspiration to own "controversial art" disappears. Emins unmade bed is art, because it was made by an artist and bought by an art collector, My unmade bed is a mess! Consider the up coming auction for the drums played on definitely maybe [url= http://metro.co.uk/2012/01/25/wayne-rooney-to-buy-classic-oasis-drum-kit-296525/ ](link)[/url] a nice drum kit, but not £15k worth. people like the association, the expression of wealth and the inclusiveness of "getting it".
In short, Emin was booked for Newsnight and radio 4 because she's guaranteed to be a bit odd and offend. She has managed this, you are talking about her, I now know that Emin is an odd and offensive artist, I buy a book about her work and pay to go to her gallery because liking challenging art makes me look sophisticated and cool to art school girls. In the book/ gallery I find some of her other work that is quite good, but not weird/ offensive etc. Emin shares her work, I share my money. Everybody wins
Dogs playing cards, now THATS art.
Art is in the mind of the creator whilst beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
gobuchul - Member"I didn't see it but you seem shocked and appalled, I suggest a strongly worded letter to the BBC"
Not at all.
Do you often comment with "FFS", and nothing else, when something neither shocks nor appalls you ?
How do you comment when you [i]are[/i] shocked and appalled ?
As an aside - does anyone know if you can watch old newsnight programs on iplayer? A guy I know was on about 2 weeks back and I missed it, but it seems to be a rolling 1 week back catalog then they disappear?
She's an absolute mess of a person, physically and mentally. A bit too many of the old 'Persian Rugs' if you know what I mean......
She got very lucky with one particularly notorious piece of 'modern art' (or 'shit' as I like to call it), and can now trot out any old rubbish in the sure and certain knowledge that someone will find it 'profound'. At least when they find out that Tracey Emin was the 'artist'.
It's just intellectual snobbery masquerading as cutting edge work, and it only matters whether you are 'in' or not whether the work is appreciated.
I'm shocked and appalled that anyone cares what TE thinks, let alone wasting tax payers money having the BBC interview her. I suggest we hold a parliamentary inquiry into the matter.
Tracy earlier, being a "mess".
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Personally I like the woman that recreates famous art works, but featuring a huge ginger cat
[url] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-27507950 [/url]
Personally I like the woman that recreates famous art works, but featuring a huge ginger cat
Genius!
Art is whatever you want it to be. Sure, there are "performance" artists who think that knocking one out while locked in the boot of a car is a statement worth making, but plenty of their peers disagree.
She got very lucky with one particularly notorious piece of 'modern art' (or 'shit' as I like to call it), and can now trot out any old rubbish in the sure and certain knowledge that someone will find it 'profound'. At least when they find out that Tracey Emin was the 'artist'.
Tracy Emin is a Royal Academician because she's produced more than one piece of well received art and her peers think that she's worthy of passing on her knowledge and experience to a younger generation of artists. She's also an accomplished poet amongst other things. A lot of the comments on here are personal in nature, I rather expected a more mature debate than this.
Indeed, lay people might question why some of us on here are happy to spend thousands of £££s on expensive bikes when one from Halfords could do the job for less than two hundred notes... 😉
Personally I like the woman that recreates famous art works, but featuring a huge ginger cat
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-27507950
I rather like this too.
[i]I rather like this too.[/i]
Whereas I, thought them rather dull.
why some of us on here are happy to spend thousands of £££s on expensive bikes when one from Halfords could do the job for less than two hundred notes..
Art is subjective.
A lighter, stronger and faster bike is not.
Art is subjective.A lighter, stronger and faster bike is not.
It depends upon it's purpose. There are plenty of people out there who ride a bike that may not be the most suitable for it's purpose but was chosen on merit of it's aesthetics.
meehaja has it...
I don't like the unmade bed piece but some stuff is art simply because some people think it is. That makes others think about the piece and makes Tracey Emmin some money - which makes her happy. QED.
I like the big ginger cats too 🙂
PJM1974
A lot of the comments on here are personal in nature, I rather expected a more mature debate than this.
Um....You do know where you are right?
😀
We should, at this point, bring the work of Grayson perry into the thread.
Whilst I agree that he is a fair potter, his Turner prize winning contributions were not to my personal tastes, but were deemed to be art by people that probably know more about this type of thing than me. As such, I'm happy to treat Tracey Emin's bed as "art" even though it is not to my personal taste.
Art is what people make of it and what people are prepared to pay for. If you are able to produce something that communicates what you saw when you held up a mirror to reality, then fair play to you.
Also, Grayson Perry is one of us, so he must be right. Unless it's Hora, in which case he's wrong.
I thought Charles Saatchi made TE famous by buying her tosh (sorry art).
Bit like Ron Hubbard and Scientology, a joke on society which got out of control....
I thought Charles Saatchi made TE famous by buying her tosh (sorry art).Bit like Ron Hubbard and Scientology, a joke on society which got out of control....
In context, Emin's bed is a direct descendant to Dutch Interior paintings, all she's doing is producing an installation rather than attempting to say something new with paint. Also, we now live in a world of reality TV and fake reality (see Las Vegas) Baudrillard talked about "Simulacra" - this is what Emin was doing.
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Also, Grayson Perry is one of us
😯 WHO? WHO?
Personally I like the woman that recreates famous art works, but featuring a huge ginger cat
Bindun before. Pretty much the only thing I remember from my Art History classes.
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she's got a warm bum.
I like to think we've all got something in common with Grayson,most of us ride bikes,some of us dress up in women's clothes,only Grayson and hora do both AFAIK
Grayson Perry, Beastway racer and trophy maker done good. 😉
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hora pictured at the weekend 😆