Tory epiphany

An elderly Tory couple in my (other half’s) family said the same to us at new year. I nearly fell over. Said Starmer seems like he would do a good job, and the party they’ve supported all their lives clearly aren’t.

I'm just dissapointed he isn't more grateful for the extra £352m a week which the NHS has been getting ever since Brexit.

It’s easy to get on side with Tory ideology when you’re loaded. Work hard and you’ll be alright. Poor people are lazy. It’s bollocks, but it feeds their egos and assuages any guilt they may feel.

In the interat of balance, I'm just gonna put his here 🙂

https://twitter.com/i/status/1618570530726248449

The only sort of headline i would like to see concerning the tory party, is one which includes an asteroid, the tory party conference and reports of the entire conference center being obliterated.

Typical Tory voter *
Votes Tory
Votes Tory
Votes Tory
Votes Tory
Votes Tory
Votes Tory

Reach pension age / needs care

Let’s give Labour at chance 😉

* not including the super rich of course

Not sure what to make of someone who seems to have come to a sudden guilty realisation that the philosophy they’ve followed is flawed/failed.

Generally I think people should be grateful (unless you're a Tory of course) and even more so when it's someone high profile who has some potential for positive influence.

Surely he knew what they were about and the current mess is actually their plan on track?

Being an internationally acclaimed music star does not make you infallible or mean you draw the same conclusions and others.

At the other end of the scale some people would vote Labour even if they set income tax to 99% and the hidden agenda was an extreme form of communism (a bit of an exaggeration) Their voting habits are so engrained that what's said or done at campaign time is largely academic.

There's quite a few on here who are quite switched on, have had a decent education and are prepared to do some detailed thinking. Don't assume that this desire to self inform and appraise is universal.

Typical Tory voter *
Votes Tory
Votes Tory
Votes Tory
Votes Tory
Votes Tory
Votes Tory

Reach pension age / needs care

Let’s give Labour at chance 😉

No, most people turn more Tory as they age.

Hence a large majority of pensioners voting Tory and basically no one under 40.

It’s easy to get on side with Tory ideology when you’re loaded. Work hard and you’ll be alright. Poor people are lazy.

That sums up the attitude of people I work with. They really believe they are working harder than people who earn less with no appreciation of any privilege/luck they have had in life.

That sums up the attitude of people I work with. They really believe they are working harder than people who earn less with no appreciation of any privilege/luck they have had in life.

This sums up my soon to be ex work colleague in a nutshell, although she's only 40. On 42k a year and pretty much by accident. Has a bloody high opinion of herself and anyone on less doesn't work hard enough, refers to them as goons, and sheltered and living in one of the most well off areas of Preston. Spends most of the day ****ing about on whatsapp and chatting to people rather than paying the damn business's bills so the chasing letters are coming in and I'm covering and not doing my actual job. Only 15 days to go and I'm outta there!

I know a whole bunch of individuals from various backgrounds, some with no money and some with loads, who would rather abstain than vote anything other than Tory. They can see what's happening, we talk about it regularly, but still they won't vote another way.

It's a very common cognitive bias that people attribute their own success to hard work and talent and the success of others to luck. Conversely, one's own problems have external causes but everyone else's problems are down to laziness/stupidity etc.

It’s easy to get on side with Tory ideology when you’re loaded. Work hard and you’ll be alright. Poor people are lazy. It’s bollocks, but it feeds their egos and assuages any guilt they may feel.

Yeah - I like Rod Stewart's music; but let's be clear if the Tories were still doing well by their own metrics (to the detriment of society at large) Stewart would still be a quiet supporter.

This is the issue of incompetence v ideology. Competent Tories are still very bad for pretty much everyone apart from wealthy pop stars and asset kings.

Let's see what the Rolling Stones say? 😉

All that said - I get that musicians don't want to alienate parts of their fee paying audiences!

That Pensioner on the call to Vine that thinks that Nurses are paid too much as they're on 3x what she gets as a pension, FFS I should bloody hope that they are.

Utterly entitled and I'll bet that when she worked she'd have considered that anyone on benefits (including pensioners) were scroungers and SHE ought to be paying less tax. Now she's dependent on us taxpayers for a chunk of her income (State Pension) she's now bothered by how little it is (in relation to workers earnings).

I don't care how, why or when people have their epiphany, so long as they have them.

The only sort of headline i would like to see concerning the tory party, is one which includes an asteroid, the tory party conference and reports of the entire conference center being obliterated.

I would also accept dinosaur attack.

At the other end of the scale some people would vote Labour even if they set income tax to 99% and the hidden agenda was an extreme form of communism (a bit of an exaggeration) Their voting habits are so engrained that what’s said or done at campaign time is largely academic.

Yes that is a bit of an exaggeration isn’t it?

I actually think that many Labour voters voting habits are not that ingrained; how else did the so called “red wall” collapse and swing towards the Tory party?

would rather abstain than vote anything other than Tory

That's what the folk I know said they were considering. Would still not vote for anyone else, so considering not voting at all. I think that's going to be true of many older life long Conservative voters... they won't swap their vote, they'll simply withhold it.

At the other end of the scale some people would vote Labour even if they set income tax to 99% and the hidden agenda was an extreme form of communism (a bit of an exaggeration) Their voting habits are so engrained that what’s said or done at campaign time is largely academic.

Pre-Blair that might have been the case. I think New-Labour either drove those voters away or left them ambivalent at best.

With a bit of luck, this BlueKIP incarnation of the Tories will do the same for them in the long term.

Genuinely amazing how the Tory party have, for generations, managed to get those who will directly suffer negative effects from their policies to vote for them.

That woman maffyfez linked to... the likes of her are just lost to modern society. It's always someone else's fault, Labour, immigrants, the EU.

She'S obviously at an age where she inherently will be relying on the NHS, and social care more and more over the years... Wonder if she will ever have an epiphany?

Nah. Not a bloody chance.

She’S obviously at an age where she inherently will be relying on the NHS, and social care more and more over the years… Wonder if she will ever have an epiphany?

Your wording is revealing. It's not logical thought that has her thinking this way, it's modern Conservatism as a religion.

At the other end of the scale some people would vote Labour even if they set income tax to 99% and the hidden agenda was an extreme form of communism (a bit of an exaggeration) Their voting habits are so engrained that what’s said or done at campaign time is largely academic.

This is something you just made up out of thin air, whereas pensioners voting en masse for a far right lunatic fringe is a historical fact.

it’s modern Conservatism as a religion.

Yes and decades of reading the same media tropes.

Yep, the older people I have spoken to would simply never vote Labour because they will take all their money and give it to scroungers. When asked is that what happened between 1997 and 2009 and they say "no, but blah blah blah"

I think the lesson here is that we can learn a lot from great musicians like Van Morisson, Eric Clapton, Morissey, Roger Daltry, MIA, Robbie Williams, Kaynye West etc.

I think Labour can well do without the support of an Enoch Powell fan. Crikey, Eric Clapton will be going round to Diane Abbot's for tea next!

https://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/echo-chamber/

Here's your chance Ben... do you think Rod the Mod has it wrong... if so, why?

Sir Rod Stewart has called on the Conservative government to "stand down" and make way for Labour, in an impromptu call-in to Sky News.

The British pop star, 78, phoned in to the broadcaster's "your say" programme while building his model railway at home to discuss problems in the NHS.

Sir Rod described the state of the NHS as "heart-breaking" and said he had never seen the country "so bad".
The Maggie May singer said it was time to "change the bloody government".

Ben?

[ Ben...... Ben.... Ben.. Ben. ]

I am not sure how much gravitas Rod Stewart's political opinions carry -
he isn't exactly a renowned political thinker. As far as I am concerned he has been politically wrong for the last few decades so his opinions today are of very little interest to me.

Plus Stevie Marriott was both a better singer and a better Mod than Rod Stewart. And he could play the guitar.

It's so easy being wrong when you're that rich.

Mandolin Wind is a great song though.

Yes and decades of reading the same media tropes.

The lady who called the Vine show up there ^^^ to say she would vote Tory to keep Labour because of strikes and pensions made it very clear thst she does not read.

Which is ironic, given that she reguritated the Daily Heil mantra.

I bet Rod wishes that he knew what he knows now about the Tories when he was younger.

@ Ernielynch - damn right he was. I suspect that Steve's political opinions weren't far off Rod Stewart's, unfortunately though.

I bet Rod wishes that he knew what he knows now about the Tories when he was younger.

"Wake up Maggie, I think I've got something to say to you."

This reminds me of students reading aloud, 'epi fanny', 'com promise' and 'Saint Simon'.

“Wake up Maggie, I think I’ve got something to say to you.”

I did not need that mental image 🤢

Genuinely amazing how the Tory party have, for generations, managed to get those who will directly suffer negative effects from their policies to vote for them.

I have some family like this

Complaining about the state of the NHS now they need it and other similar things likle a lack of local buses and trains - but still dyed in the wool tory voters, think Johnson was a great PM and want him to come back and think Rees Mogg is a great statesman

Its beyond incredible

I think the term for them is ****ing idiots.

“Wake up Maggie, I think I’ve got something to say to you.”

I did not need that mental image 🤢

Zombie-Thatcher for PM!

Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers - visible or invisible - giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the world's wealthiest and most prosperous people...and their BRAINS!!!