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BBC3 at the moment.
W123 FTW!
We all know that the Merc was the best car in that one!
He's not even that old FFS! He's only 54.
Leave it grandad the middle aged kids are debating
Had a bizarre discussion with a couple of 'blokes' at a clients premises, they hailed him as some kind of subversive and outsider railling against the status quo - they were clueless that he was friends with CMD and the Ginger Witch and very much an insider with some less pleasant circles. His only redeeming feature is he punched Piers Morgan.
Bantiestablishment.
Love it how all the "experts" on the Internet think they know best, saying it needs to be retired or changed or whatever, just because they don't like it as much as they used to, or they never liked it.
It's Massively successful, watched by millions of people all over the world every week.
Why would the BBC want to change it unless they had to ?
If you don't like as much as you used to, or you never liked it, then you are not the target audience(anymore), get over it and watch something else.
The target audience **** love it. All over the world.
Lots of people loved Hitler too. 😉
Lots of people loved Hitler too.
I'm talking about the format rather than any individuals.
The format that's "tired" and "unfunny" or in some way not as good as all the Internet experts would do.
It's[b] so [/b]bad in fact, that only 350 million people watch it every week.
But I'm sure the experts of the internet are correct, Obviously it needs changing 🙂
How does a light entertainment programme create so much angst 😉 ?
No idea, I just watch it and have a laugh, and see some nice cars etc.
Sometimes it's good, sometimes it not as good.
That is the end of it, it has no further effect on my life than that, a bit of entertainment on a Sunday evening.
It is quite funny how people who don't like it are so evangelical about how terrible it is though.
No other program I can think of generates that sort of reaction.
Match Of The Day?
Miranda?
Mrs Brown's Boys.
That's just the 'm's.
🙂
It generates reactions both good and bad what other tv programme gets a weekly SWT thread? I dont read them tbh so no idea what you all talk about
As for why some folk find a programme, popular or otherwise, fronted by a boorish racist as a bit shit.
I am not sure why TG fayns have to ask why ,do folk not say often enough for you to get it 😉
Match Of The Day?
Miranda?
Mrs Brown's Boys.
That's just the 'm's.
I must have missed the weekly 10+ page threads about them ?
Either that, or they aren't even in the same league of generating a reaction.
As for why some folk find a programme, popular or otherwise, fronted by a boorish racist as a bit shit.
I am not sure why TG fayns have to [b]ask why[/b]
Nobody needs to [b]ask[/b] ffs.
People who don't like it, never bloody shut up about it 😯
Unlike the fans
It is quite funny how people who like it are so evangelical about how good it is though and how its just a persona.
No other program I can think of generates that sort of reaction.
To be fair, you don't [i]actually[/i] see many people being evangelical about how good it is do you ?
People just say they like it, and find it entertaining, so they watch it.
Which is slightly a different level to all the Charlie Brooker wannabes, waxing lyrical about how bad it is and how it's broken and needs to be axed etc etc.
(By the way, the repetition with the subject changed, is very much JHJ. Don't lower yourself 😉 )
I like Charlie Brooker and I like the Philomena Cunk character as well. Just watched Weekly Wipe and it made me chuckle, a little bit.
I like Charlie Brooker too.
but now everyone on the Internet seems to want to "rant" Charlie style, about whatever it is that's popular (but beneath them)
Currently that seems to be top gear.
People moaning about people moaning about Top Gear is just as boring as people moaning about Top Gear.
People moaning about, people moaning about people moaning about Top Gear is just as boring as people moaning about Top Gear.
By the way, the side step with the subject changed, is very much JHJ. Don't lower yourself 8)
Thought it was a bit daft to ask why folk moan like it would be daft for me to ask why folk like it. I know why I just disagree with them.
you don't actually see many people being evangelical about how good it is do you ?
Well I dont read the threads on it but this [ and other ones about JC/TG] has a cross spectrum from fan boys, to ex fans who are a bit bored to haterz to haterz of the haterz moaning about folk moaning about the moaning.
IMHO you do find find folk being passionately for it and against it.
Again its pretty obvious why JC gets such reactions and he actively courts it.
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Usual exaggeration about needing to "save" the NHS
Usual exaggeration about needing to "save" the NHS
The NHS doesn't need saved from itself, it needs saved from the Tories...
Steve Coogan from one of their previous stupidities
http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2011/feb/05/top-gear-offensive-steve-coogan
Many of us who think he should go for good, did used to like him and the show.
Sad fact is the show has become tired, complacent and repetitive. And with Lazy racism and stereotyping which is ironic to them but taken at face value by many others, including some here.
But we don't have to watch it. But we should respect the BBC behaving as any decent employer would. That nearly a million people seem to think he should be able to be a bullying twunt to employees is sad.
Whatnobeer
Who put alot of NHS trusts development in the hands of PFI's... in 2009...
They signed alot of contracts. Yes PFI has been around for over a decade but it was a certain party that did it...to the NHS.
Oops Labour. I just said it. PFI/NHS was part privatisation.
As Matt Berry would say 'where is your God now'!
And who's still creating PFI deals that labour are too scared to criticize
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And saving from.... [url= http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nhs-privatisation-winners-revealed-11-5323549 ]http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nhs-privatisation-winners-revealed-11-5323549[/url]
He reminds you of the squirt at school as he hangs round Clarkson the bully, as if to say, "I'm with him". Meanwhile, James May stands at the back holding their coats as they beat up the boy with the stutter.
A-ha!
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2012/jul/05/pfi-cost-300bn
'Most of the 717 PFI were signed under Labour'
ALL parties are corrupt or incompetent. Anyone who claims its the fault of one party alone why the NHS is being part privatised is wrong though..
Farage - generally accepted knob - generally condemmed as such!
Clarkson - generally accepted knob - generally loved as such!
Political viewpoints are similar. It's a strange world!!
It is a bit sad when a tv show generates more debate than NHS, Education, Welfare State, Human Rights etc
**** me - I've just contributed to the whole pathetic affair!
Someone help me please, I'm ahoy to agree with Hora! 😯
(For me) - all the main parties are wrong. They always claim the other guys are incompetent/corrupt etc etc yet fundamentally they all have large elements that are out to feather their own nests whilst look innocently at the camera. We the voters buy into lifelong support because we believe in the ideology that each pedals. The story. Real political reform will only happen when its all destroyed and restarted from scratch. So anyone who says one party is better than the other is wrong.
What Cameron comes out with beggars belief sometimes. I can't vote for him. Nor anyone in his party. As soon as Labour get their hands on the reigns again they'll pedal the 'we are different' and yet still continue the country ****-up.
Anyway OT
Do the people who moan about Top Gear actually watch it or are their views based on what they read in the Daily Mail or other informative sources of news. There are many programmes I could moan about but once watched I just don't bother with again and certainly would not want to comment on them. I feel many of the moaners secretly enjoy the programme or why watch it.
It's Massively successful, watched by millions of people all over the world every week.Why would the BBC want to change it unless they had to ?
But if they stop now.... its still a world-wide cash cow. The presence of JC isn't required for the format spin-offs in other countries to continue and those shows will continue to make the BBC money - even if a UK Top Gear isn't being made or ins't being made in the same way, and theres plenty of territories that they can yet sell the format to.
Theres also close to 200 old episodes worth of repeats that will keep bringing in syndication money for years and years to come - and theres even money from the foreign shows being sold and repeated in other territories.
My GF was at a BBC event for indy producers recently where they lay out their stall for what they likely to commission in the coming year or so. During it fairly well known face stood up - and said (and I quote in entirety)
"Format, format, format. Repetition, repetition, repetition"
Then sat down. That was it
The beeb has been happily squeezing every last drop out of format but it would be naive to imagine that in the last 15 years they haven't had something else up their sleeve ready to replace it. Scrapping TG won't leave some gaping void in the schedule - it'll make a space for something else and it might be something that TG fans will like as much, if not more than TG. And theres not reason to imagine it can't be any more successful internationally - then the Beeb would have two cash cows.
I think a lot of Top Gear haterz are actually Top Gear frustraters they liked it once but for the past decade they've been effectively watching the same episode over and over- they're impatient at the format being stretched out and milked for the benefit of syndication elsewhere when they're ready for something new. in the same way that TG was good when it was new.
I think a lot of Top Gear haterz are actually Top Gear frustraterz - impatient at the format being stretched out and milked for the benefit of syndication elsewhere when they're ready for something new.
Exactly. I got tired of it a few years back. Sometimes there are glimmers then it hammers back hard into their audience-winning routines.
It has great camera crew, great production, great creative/visual team(s), some good ideas however the burks on the screen are the ones that are now ruining all that hardwork that produces such good looking tv.
[i]I'm ahoy to agree with Hora! [/i]
Well everyone likes a sailor.
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Scrapping TG won't leave some gaping void in the schedule - it'll make a space for something else and it might be something that TG fans will like as much, if not more than TG
This sounds entirely plausible, and very good news.
🙂
Is there a petition to sack the bigoted, racist, self centred prat? Anyone else behaving as he did would never work again. Why should he?
I would happily sign that.
Anyone who spells haters with a z replacing the ending s deserves to be flogged. It's neither big nor clever.
As for Clarkson; has the investigation been concluded? It shouldn't take too long to establish the facts of the case.
It is a bit sad when a tv show generates more debate than NHS, Education, Welfare State, Human Rights etc
We're near all in a race to the bottom. When they invented the World Wide Web it seemed a perfect chance for humans to at last access education, no matter who you are, where you are from, achance to learn and most of all share information, to mobilise on key issues in a literal instant - and all this available at an unprecedented, seemingly impossible speed, and on a near global scale. Yet after just 20 years it shows that we humans are far, far more interested in things like selfies, mammary glands, videos of people doing a poo and celebrity gossip than we are in saving/improving our situation and that of the planet
Almost like we are chimpanzees, albeit with the bigger ego. Sure, we all like to read or even give to Amnesty International or study social history for a brief time, but it's a battle innit? This is time being robbed from the real stuff, the bling and the glitz and the baubles and the sh*t, the comparing, the ogling, the endless pi**ing contests - that is the proven stuff of dreams.
[quote=iolo said]Is there a petition to get rid of the bigoted, racist, self centred prat?
I would happily sign that.
Yup, a massive 6,129 votes at time of posting
https://www.change.org/p/british-broadcasting-corporation-sack-jeremy-clarkson
About 814,000 votes behind the reinstate petition.
Which is slightly a different level to all the Charlie Brooker wannabes, waxing lyrical about how bad it is and how it's broken and needs to be axed etc etc.
Go away.
I think a lot of Top Gear haters are actually Top Gear frustraters they liked it once but for the past decade they've been effectively watching the same episode over and over- they're impatient at the format being stretched out and milked for the benefit of syndication elsewhere when they're ready for something new. in the same way that TG was good when it was new.
Not so much the same episode over & over, I can just about stomach Clarksons non science & comments about bikerists, golfists etc star in a reasonably priced car & stig runs are what they are & repetitive by nature but its just the stretched out ****tery (peugeot sequence & run up to the mountain rescue for example) that does my head in & the ever so pathetic comments about "gentlemans area". I watch it for the occasional gems & places they get to film in. I honestly think that Clarkson has had his day & should/will be off somewhere else thank god, hopefully the annoying little one will follow in his footsteps.
PFI was fundamentally an excellent idea, as often is the case the implementation was weak. There should have been strict guidelines on the type of contracts signed in terms of financing costs, too many public bodie signed contracts for short term benefit with very negative cash flow implications later on. IMO this is typical of short term political type gain where you are only interested in getting elected next time round. Without "shareholders" to keep you in check management can sell a business out (eg hospital) longer term just to balance the books today
but its just the stretched out ****tery
Back to my comments on destroying decent classic/old cars.
The feature where they ripped into the Peugeot 407. A car that has what failings exactly? Thats when I start getting tired of him.
The jaunt across Syria etc in the convertibles. Again bashing up decent cars. They could have just done an ace roadtrip. Why the need to bash off road or customise?
The jaunt across Syria etc in the convertibles. Again bashing up decent cars. They could have just done an ace roadtrip. Why the need to bash off road or customise?
Because that's what they think the audience wants.
Apparently Clarkson dobbed himself in to the BBC.
Morons back for no other reason that stating the petition seems to have hit 820k
annnd..
I'd like to see this hit 16 pages.
😛
[quote=kjcc25 ]Do the people who moan about Top Gear actually watch it or are their views based on what they read in the Daily Mail or other informative sources of news. There are many programmes I could moan about but once watched I just don't bother with again and certainly would not want to comment on them. I feel many of the moaners secretly enjoy the programme or why watch it.
You're complaining about people complaining about TG despite not watching it, when you clearly haven't read the rest of the thread 🙄
If you had, you'd notice that most of them used to be big fans of TG - personally I don't watch it at all any more, but I used to, and stopped watching because I couldn't stand Jezza any more - you don't need to watch TG to know he's a knob (I've also watched recently enough to be able to agree with the other comments about the programme).
The jaunt across Syria etc in the convertibles. Again bashing up decent cars. They could have just done an ace roadtrip. Why the need to bash off road or customise?
Your thinking is all wrong. We need to save Top Gear from becoming boring.
My humble suggestion:
The SCENE
1. Get sexy female TV and film stars in life-jackets to construct three parallel cross-channel floating pontoons out of old car and bicycle tubes, on some tissue-thin premise that they must do so with their arms tied behind their backs, and using only their teeth, knees and whatever else available.
2. Once pontoons are completed there is a massive (think general election scale) live-as-it-happens blokey-vote as to the worst cars ever made. In history. Ever.
When the vote comes in Susannah Reed (dressed as a Nazi-era über-fraulein) drives an example of each of these fated cars out onto the pontoon, and packs them with explosive charges. The last in Dover, the first somewhere in France, preferably a small village, preferably unpronounceable and notable only by its lack of notability.
The last car on each pontoon shall have a comedy-grade touch-fuse protruding from the exhaust. Some exhaust jokes will fit in here. The first cars on the pontoon which are located in a small unpronounceable sleepy harbour shall be surrounded by giant bales of stacked french cheeses and bicycles. In fact every type of French cheese know to mankind. A veritable mountain of cheese. And bicycles.
The RACE
3. Three pretend schoolboys all dressed as middle-aged men shall then engage in a mantomime race across the downs to White Cliffs Of Dover, all in costume, ie Mexican in sombrero, a french person with onions, and a mincing gay communist with an urban beard. Some well-worn stereotypes and s****ing will fit in here.
4. At the cliff's edge - each arriving intrepid mantomime stereotype contestant must employ their chosen method of lighting the touch-paper. One will be a homemade RPG, the other a Black Widow catapult loaded with firecrackers, the last a box of soggy French matches. Slow-motion sad-faced incompetent loser jokes fit here.
Two of the fuses are now lit, dambuster theme is played at deafening levels, engage camaraderie mode and downplaying. Pay special attention to the Lada and the French cars as they explode, possibly make a few jokes about mixing oil and marine life/Flipper the dolphin together, along with mock 'oooops' sad face from chief Panto-man. No time to dwell on that, we have a duff car. Cut to the Mexican costumed Pantoman going through the French matches and cursing as they fall soggily to the bottom of the cliffs. He has to cheat, so gets rigged up in absailing gear and is helped down by a professional, finally using a Union Jack Clipper lighter directly on the fuse.
The MOCKED SILENCE
5. The explosives fizzle and it begins to rain. Weather jokes cued. Someone's chain goes out. But look! someone is heading out a WW2 BMW sidecar outfit fitted with waterskis. It's, it's ... Susannah Reed, dressed as a Nazi, accidentally showing a bit of leg! What's more Tom Cruise with an eyepatch is in the sidecar with a flaming torch, trying like crazy to reignite the chain (cue Fleetwood Mac)
The WARGASM
6. Sun returns from behind clouds. The previously duff car-charge sputters , re-ignites and the renewed chain of explosions now romp swiftly France-wards, finally taking out the last twenty hated cars before erupting in a gigantic explosion of cheese which causes the French locals to fall off their bicycles and drop their onions.
A 2CV is found survived and floating, upturned, cue jokes, it finally sinks.
And on that bomb-shell - we return to the aircraft hangar/studio to rapturous applause with faux-schoolboy banter from the mantomime players.
Punchlines.
The End.
Not reading all that.
Not reading all that.
But you'd spend an our watching it. Bet you real cash money! It's the bestest episode ever or I want my coffee break back 🙁
Apparently Clarkson dobbed himself in to the BBC.
Plus [url= http://news.sky.com/story/1444054/family-clarkson-said-hed-have-colleague-fired ]independent witnesses[/url] say nothing about any violence, just that the bloke got torn a new arsehole for not sorting the food
Given the claims in some of the newspapers over the last week, It's looking like a good day for Jeremys libel lawyers! 😆
Isn't it just?
Has anyone suggested, er, reptilian involvement?
I suggest we pay him off and consolodate Sunday night viewing into one, high budget extravaganza the whole family can enjoy:
It's finally time for Poldark On Mopeds.....
If you had, you'd notice that most of them used to be big fans of TG - personally I don't watch it at all any more, but I used to, and stopped watching because I couldn't stand Jezza any more - you don't need to watch TG to know he's a knob (I've also watched recently enough to be able to agree with the other comments about the programme).
I'm in that club - used to watch it before the reboot, and when they did the reboot it knocked my socks off, best show on telly. It's just that, after four or five seasons of it being EXACTLY the same show week in week out, the novelty wore off.
The odd thing about Clarkson is, as much as he's a knob on Top Gear and anything else he appears on, the occasional war-based documentaries he does are ace.
The odd thing about Clarkson is, as much as he's a knob on Top Gear and anything else he appears on, the occasional war-based documentaries he does are ace.
Ssshhhhhhh.
The anti Clarkson crowd don't like any suggestion at all that he's playing an exaggerated "character" on top gear 🙂
Any chance you will be defending him rather spending your time ad homing those with different views from you ?
Any chance you will be defending him
Im waiting to see what he's done/not done before passing comment on the actual incident.
rather spending your time ad homing those with different views from you ?
Lighten up 😕
Who am I supposed to be "ad homing" anyway.
Even if my comment wasn't intended in jest, it's "attacking" a point of view, not a persons character, so don't see the relevance of "ad hominem" accusation.
It's just that, after four or five seasons of it being EXACTLY the same show week in week out, the novelty wore off
Thing is, we were hearing exactly that complaint a few years ago, that it was tired, past it, formulaic, not creative etc. then they went and did the space shuttle thing and everyone unanimously jumped up and down saying 'best bit of telly ever'
Then we went back to the griping and moaning, and they went and did Vietnam, and the same people whining here now were raving over it.
Thing is, we were hearing exactly that complaint a few years ago, that it was tired, past it, formulaic, not creative etc. then they went and did the space shuttle thing and everyone unanimously jumped up and down saying 'best bit of telly ever'Then we went back to the griping and moaning, and they went and did Vietnam, and the same people whining here now were raving over it.
See now, I've not watched them, so I can't comment. But I'd bet my bikes on there not being a single thing about either of them that isn't predictable or hasn't been done before. I did catch about three minutes of one in New Zealand where May and Hammond were on a boat (cue obvious seasickness and sailor jokes) and Clarkson was racing cross-country - Clarkson meets tractor in hilarious "can I squeeze through that narrow gap?" scrapes-car-down-stone-wall jape. Tired and obvious, and the attempts to make a set-up gag look live just pi$$ me right off, and they do the same thing every... Single... Week.
3. The 'complainant' was not the bloke hit, but some tofu knitting, luvvie, guardian reading BBC intern who saw a couple of blokes arseing about/bantering from the other side of the room and ran home crying about it, so that by the time it got home to auntie Beeb everything had been blown out of proportion.
Top Gear host Jeremy Clarkson initiated the BBC investigation which prompted his suspension, after he informed BBC bosses of the alleged "fracas".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-31869967
Who am I supposed to be "ad homing" anyway.
[ Sherlock mode] is it the people you addressed the comment to? "anti-clarksons" I think you called them ...erm I mean their view.[ Sherlock mode]
fracas over tapas .
I thought that might have been a headline, somewhere along the line.
"steak ta ta" was poor in comparison.
Ive been a bit bored by the same formula over the past few series and not been bothered about watching it much, however....last night I watched the previous episode on iplayer when Clarkson was testing the new V8 Jag XFR and comparing to another retro jag.
He was brilliant, no one else can do it like he does it, others have tried to copy his literary use of words, his delivery etc but they can't come close. Watch it and try and imagine someone else doing it better, or even differently. His comparison of the car to a small child with a violin at the end was pure Clarkson.
Ive signed!
I can't even be bothered to find a slow clap GIF.
well its the perfect petition for you njee , autofill does all the work, claryfication is only 2 mouseclicks away 😆
I really don't like Julian Clary, he's just not funny.
which would make him the perfect clarkson replacement!
others have tried to copy his literary use of words, his delivery etc but they can't come close.
Er.. one-sided boorish views and embarassingly over-long twisted similes? Yeah, thankfully no-one else can do that. Or wants to.
I think they should go completely hatstand and have, like, Clare Balding or David Dimbleby or someone. Zane Lowe's gonna have time on his hands soon, isn't he? 🙂
[ Sherlock mode] is it the people you addressed the comment to? "anti-clarksons" I think you called them ...erm I mean their view.[ Sherlock mode]
Ok, so that's who.
Now can you explain how I attacked anyone's character rather than discussing their point of view ?
All I said was that that the anti clarkson crowd don't like the suggestion that his top gear persona is in any way a "Character" that he plays.
If you can squeeze an "ad hominem" accusation out of that, you are working from a different definition than I am ?
The anti Clarkson crowd don't like any suggestion at all that he's playing an exaggerated "character" on top gear
Don't spoil the fun, Neal, the professionally offended need to be fed and JC piles it high just for them! Perhaps he could wear a Coco the Clown outfit to remove any ambiguity in future. That would fit in well at Ch 5 with a topless presenter in tow.
I bet Oisin didn't know he had SO many friends! His lawyer is now warming up too.
professionally offended or just enjoying the irony of trolling clarkson fans? 😉
Everyone on this thread is being trolled by everyone else.
Clarkson would shed a tear if he were to read it.
rockhopper70 - Member
fracas over tapas .I thought that might have been a headline, somewhere along the line.
"steak ta ta" was poor in comparison.
It only works if you don't know how to pronounce 'fracas'. Or maybe 'tapas' I suppose. 😉
others have tried to copy his literary use of words, his delivery etc but they can't come close.
[i]Er.. one-sided boorish views and embarassingly over-long twisted similes? Yeah, thankfully no-one else can do that. Or wants to.[/i]
What a very stupid thing to say Moley....you're showing yourself up. If you watch any car review type programme, they have almost all tried to include the clever analogys that Clarkson does so well. However they don't have his use of words or delivery and fail.
Which is possibly why TG has a worldwide fan base of many millions and the only other Car review programme has a UK audience of thousands.
^^^ neither of you have it quite right
He is beloved by the deep thinkers for his dazzling lexicographic talents, not seen since the bard himself
Simultaneously he is able to appeal to the casual racist and mysoginist with his nudge,wink bar room banter
Time for Bob Carolgees to make a comeback?
well its the perfect petition for you njee , autofill does all the work, claryfication is only 2 mouseclicks away
That I laughed at, well done!
kimbers - Member
professionally offended or just enjoying the irony of trolling clarkson fans?
Well hopefully in the spirit of light entertainment, merely having a giggle. That's all this is worth.
It's a bloody weekly TV show and JC has become an exaggerated caricature of himself. Why the angst?
Why the angst?
are you new to internet forums and stw? 😉
Where's Jiveybaby when needed, there's a conspiracy here to be unmasked:
[url= http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/mar/12/nhs-agrees-largest-ever-privatisation-deal-to-tackle-backlog ]http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/mar/12/nhs-agrees-largest-ever-privatisation-deal-to-tackle-backlog[/url]
The words "good day to bury bad news" keep springing to mind!