[Closed] Top Gear's Clarkson suspended by BBC

If I hear "Mexicans are all lazy and cyclists deserve to die (or whatever it is)", I don't take it with "a pinch of salt". I hear the words. I form an opinion of the speaker.

End of.

UKIP are running at 15% in the polls, which equates to about 7 million voters. Clearly there are a lot more than 300,000 stupid people.

Jeremy was born in Doncaster, wouldn't it be interesting if he ran against the sitting MP for Doncaster North 😈

Racist towards Mexicans?

Surely thats cultural stereo-typing?

From google:

Racially speaking, there is great variation among Mexicans. The Mexican racial breakdown is officially presented as 9% white, 60% Mestizo (Indigenous-European hybrid), 30% Indigenous, and 1% other. The Mestizaje (mixture) of Indians and Spaniards is the principal fact of Mexican racial history.

The English are from England, a country. We are predominately Caucasian but with a strong mix of other origins.

So if a Mexican show said 'fight and drink beer like the English' - that would be prejudicial no?

If I hear "Mexicans are all lazy and cyclists deserve to die (or whatever it is)", I don't take it with "a pinch of salt". I hear the words. I form an opinion of the speaker.

End of.

+1

He's been doing it since 1998 (The Hyundai incident where he accused the employees of eating dogs). Normalizing the kind of crap that my wife has to put up with on a fairly regular basis pisses me off.

Racist towards Mexicans?

Surely thats cultural stereo-typing?

From google:

Semantics, playing this line doesn't make you look clever.

So if a Mexican show said 'fight and drink beer like the English' - that would be prejudicial no?

It's not so bad if it's an endearing comment made in passing for a country that you love....and not on national tv.... with top gear it's the tone, body language and repeated snide comments that make it odious. If you can't see that they went well beyond making light hearted comments about a country that you like (I will always joke with my Finnish friends about how crazy they all are, but it's used as an endearment) then you are beyond help.

[i] and if you take his anti-cycling rants, or any other "non-pc" rants with a pinch of salt (as I suspect the show/he intends you to), he's very entertaining.[/i]

Why should I have to make allowances for his lack of common politeness?

My comment on losing edgy comedy/the disapearing funny stuff

You mean dross like this?

No. Have you not seen the output over the last two decades from the BBC? Outstanding fail fella.

No. Have you not seen the output over the last two decades from the BBC? Outstanding fail fella.

You don't class that as dross? My my, your standards are low.

More details coming to light.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/jeremy-clarkson-suspended-producer-top-5309060

It's ok, Radio 2 have booked Katie Hopkins to talk about it.

There'll still be one outspoken self publicist on the BBC.

[quote=grenosteve ]if you take his anti-cycling rants, or any other "non-pc" rants with a pinch of salt (as I suspect the show/he intends you to)

You think he intends that because he doesn't actually think that way, or because he'd like you to think he doesn't actually think that way? It seems he's succeeding in the latter (though I imagine a lot of the 300,000 actually like him thinking that way) despite copious evidence to the contrary.

I really am very dissapointed with STW on this.

250 posts about Clarkson's suspension from the beeb. It's pathetic. Really, really pathetic. The Mumsnet thread is up to 350!!

News just in: BBC banning Clarkson from the pudding section of the canteen.

EDIT: I hadn't even read the article:

A source said: “Jeremy saw red over a catering issue. He just snapped.”

I,m confused about this talk of pudding,so are we having pudding of not? I,m starving and I've done all my homework.

This is genius, this is why singletrack is better than every other forum, I luv the idea that he didn't get his pudding, because he wouldn't tidy up... And he kicked off

Must admit, i'm sitting here chuckling at the thought.

some great tweets going on in the mirror piece 🙂

Anyway when up in Newcastle it's entirely normal beat someone up for not having dinner ready, apologies to those southerners it's just how we do things.

anyone else mentioned itv? it's where jonathon ross went after that spat

Got to feel sorry for the people who have been on the waiting list for tickets to have the show cancelled the day before.

never mind that this series has been the best in years, funny and entertaining even with the pointlessness (?) now they've cut it short...dam it

(Clarkson that is not Phil the Greek*)

* am I allowed to say that on here ?

This is genius, this is why singletrack is better than every other forum, I luv the idea that he didn't get his pudding, because he wouldn't tidy up... And he kicked off

How hard can it be; don't hit people, don't peddle the very cheap and quasi-racist humour and peg it back on the cheap shots of minorities.

Top Gear would still work.

Spotted dick.

I reckon the show could work with a guest presenter, at least for the remaining three shows of this series. They could make a bit of a feature about how much better life is without him. It could even be the shot in the arm that (some say) the show needs.

Wifey reminded me of the Have I Got News For You episode that Roy Hattersley failed to show up for. They replaced him with a tub of lard.

Last Of The Summer Wine carried on with several changes to the three core characters without losing it's way. As long as they choose the right replacement Top Gear could carry on for some time yet.

And don't forget Preston's replacement on Buzzcocks 🙂

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6361035.stm

You're forgetting that Clarkson is pretty much solely responsible for writing the script, coming up with ideas and drawing in the best cars/guests. Take that away and you take away the heart of Top Gear - for better or worse depending on your point of view!

I reckon the show could work with a guest presenter, at least for the remaining three shows of this series. They could make a bit of a feature about how much better life is without him. It could even be the shot in the arm that (some say) the show needs.

Judging by the fact that the show is repeating jokes and challenges so often, I think that they had 10 shows to make and ran out ideas, so staged a fight, got Clarkson suspended and [i]voila[/i] no need to make the last 3 shows. By the time the next season rolls around none of the fans will remember that they've raced across a city in various forms of transport 347 times before, so they can do it again. And again. And again.

...then set fire to a caravan

Hopefully a foreign one whilst mocking a crudely drawn stereotype of the nation that it comes from.

Re clarksons role; there is a production team involved in all that and the draw is the show not just JC personally
The two may be heavily linked but its not [ just] his own personal ego chariot where he does everything and everything is done because of him.

milky1980 - Member

You're forgetting that Clarkson is pretty much solely responsible for writing the script,

Lol.

coming up with ideas

drawing in the best cars

I reckon the show could work with a guest presenter, at least for the remaining three shows of this series. They could make a bit of a feature about how much better life is without him. It could even be the shot in the arm that (some say) the show needs.

The executive producer is Clarkson's best chum, as are the two other presenters. I can't see them jollying out the last three episodes with a guest presenter. They might do it with just May and Hammond, I suppose.

Basically, the programme in its current form seems to be history, and I don't think that a reboot of the reboot will happen either. Clarkson is out of contract at the end of the month, and I imagine he will take a good chunk of the production team and the other two with him wherever he goes.

he will take a good chunk of the production team

He has already taken a chunk out of one of them.

[quoteI reckon the show could work with a guest presenter

Think this could be a good feature actually...

[i]Tonights star in reasonably comfortable yet slightly disheveled jeans and moth eaten jacket is.......

Some say .. etc etc etc [/i]

Mostly Balanced - Member
I reckon the show could work with a guest presenter,

Didn't do "Have I Got News..." any harm after Angus Deayton got caught stuffed up to his jollies in coke and hookers...

It's astonishing that people are actually trying to defend Clarkson and make the BBC out to be bad guys or fools. If he's hit someone he needs to go. Are people really suggesting he shouldn't because he makes the Beeb a lot of money? Is that seriously how they think it should work?

Slightly different note: I'm thinking I need to revise my definition of 'banter'. Lately it just seems to be a get out of jail card to avoid being called on behaving like a massive bell end.
Whether Clarkson's bell-endery is some sort of ironic front or not is utterly moot IMO. I don't really see that he (or anyone else) gets to just disown his behaviour by suggesting that he doesn't mean it, or that people need to get a sense of humour.

It's going to get pricey for Beeb.

The BBC is facing a multimillion-pound bill over its decision to suspend Jeremy Clarkson from Top Gear, with foreign broadcasters eligible for compensation and rival TV companies poised to poach the embattled presenter.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/mar/11/bbc-jeremy-clarkson-suspension-top-gear

A taxi driver could do a better job than Clarkson.

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Are people really suggesting he shouldn't because he makes the Beeb a lot of money? Is that seriously how they think it should work?

with foreign broadcasters eligible for compensation

It's astonishing that people are actually trying to defend Clarkson and make the BBC out to be bad guys or fools. If he's hit someone he needs to go. Are people really suggesting he shouldn't because he makes the Beeb a lot of money? Is that seriously how they think it should work?

Yes he should stay - he makes them a lot of money. I've worked in plenty of jobs over the years where there's been a wild card who brings in shitloads of cash for the business, so is allowed to get away with more. Don't like it? Leave. Want the same privileges/freedoms? Bring in as much money as he does.

The BBC is a largely publicly funded (by compulsory licence fee) body, so if they lose the revenue from TG, where do they intend to replace the lost money from?

I thought there were rules that the BBC had to act responsibly as to funding, financials etc etc, so surely potentially cutting off a £150M revenue line is financially irresponsible.

I've worked in plenty of jobs over the years where there's been a wild card who brings in shitloads of cash for the business, so is allowed to get away with more

He's apparently said hes gonna quit anyway now

Whats next ? - his own chatshow on channel 5, some doccumentries about war n stuff for sky

[quote=bongohoohaa ]It's going to get pricey for Beeb.

Jezza has plenty of money - I'm sure he can afford to compensate them for any losses they've incurred as a result of him breaking his contract.

Guy Martin anyone?

Didn't do "Have I Got News..." any harm after Angus Deayton got caught stuffed up to his jollies in coke and hookers...

Deayton wasn't the main draw though was he? Both Hammond and May defer to Clarkson/play lesser characters.

Whereas the comedy/scriptwriters, Hislop and the bloke who thinks hes still funny along with guest panel stars usually from comedy do carry the show a massive way.

Who could guest present then act slapstick at the sametime on TG?

It'll turn more into what I want..... a car show for petrolheads. Thus playing into my hands muhaah hahahaha

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good riddance to the odious bore.

I've worked in plenty of jobs over the years where there's been a wild card who brings in shitloads of cash for the business, so is allowed to get away with more. Don't like it? Leave. Want the same privileges/freedoms? Bring in as much money as he does.

Yeah strange that a few weeks after Clarkson tweets for a new presenter and a few days before signing a new 3 year contract it's all off
because someone called Oisin Tymon said there was no cake... or pudding... or dinner
whilst they were in Newcastle 😆
Almost like he had a more favourable contract elsewhere, away from Beeb producers

I've worked in plenty of jobs over the years where there's been a wild card who brings in shitloads of cash for the business, so is allowed to get away with more.

bet that doesn't involve striking work colleagues though, the company would be leaving themselves open one almighty court settlement.

Guy Martin anyone?

In a heartbeat,

*swoon*

....but I don't think he'd be a good fit for TG.

good riddance to the odious bore.

That's not nice, Kimbers only posted a joke pic.

🙂

Channel5's Classic Car show is ace BTW.

As is Chasing Classic Cars show on freeview.

Sadly both are firmly about cars. 😀

Deayton wasn't the main draw though was he? Both Hammond and May defer to Clarkson/play lesser characters.

Merton and Hislop also couldn't stand him

Interesting to see even the guardian now pointing out that the BBC may have mucked up big style by canning the programmes

Ie. they have already sold the TV rights to the current series, and contracted to provide all sorts of countries with X number of new episodes... plus of course most of those TV companies will have signed advertising deals on the basis of 'new episode of top gear' 'last in series' etc. That the BBC are now going to have to compensate for!

Also suggests that Clarkson may not be a BBC employee, so it's uncertain as to how their HR policies regards suspension etc. might actually apply to him - lawyers will be laughing themselves hoarse!

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/mar/11/bbc-jeremy-clarkson-suspension-top-gear

they had some lovely cars on wheeler dealers, an original fiat 500, citroen ds and a very pretty elan.

Have I got New for You brought in some great hosts.

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Top Gear USA seems to survive without Clarkson.

Blessed was the best. He would NOT work on TG though would he?

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Oisin

A bit OT. Is that a real name?

EDIT. Answered me own question. It's Irish. I'll go back to bed.

hora - Member

Channel5's Classic Car show is ace BTW.

As is Chasing Classic Cars show on freeview.

I must disagree with you about Chasing Classic Cars, Wayne Carini is a miserable bastard with all the screen presence and charisma of a potato.

[edit as stw doesn't like accents in links]

Oisín:

[url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ois%C3%ADn ]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ois%C3%ADn[/url]

as stw doesn't like accents in links

Not posh ones no.

hora - Member
Channel5's Classic Car show is ace BTW.

As is Chasing Classic Cars show on freeview.

I must disagree with you about Chasing Classic Cars, Wayne Carini is a miserable bastard with all the screen presence and charisma of a potato.

And, while I've enjoyed C5's Classic Car Show for the lovely cars, Jodie Kidd is the most wooden presenter in the history of TV.

And why does she need to oil up her legs? 😡

Hmm, petrolhead presenters... I have 2 words to send a shiver down the spine:

Chris Evans

And why does she need to oil up her legs?

Because she's wooden.

As is Chasing Classic Cars show on freeview.

RE JC - I feel he may have taking his method acting lessons a step too far but fair play for embracing the location and role so completely. Maybe the row wasn't over food but that the producer failed to produce a few bottles of dog after filming!

[i]Chris Evans [/i]

I'll raise you;

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Even better would be this guy.Fantastic sense of humour, right background and he might even get some motorbikes introduced to the show. Producers would have to insist on a 'no singing' clause though!
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Wayne Carini comes across as very focused- the detail everything. Its why I like the show.

I remember he was prospecting around cars/stock for potential sale and they pulled back the tarp on a V17 engined(?) lonnng car. Took my breath away. A real Art Deco-era beauty.

The Shelby was/is a stunner- the right wheel/body colour combo IMO.

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Guy Martin, nah, not really his type of show unless they change the format.

Jay Kay, could they afford the repair bills 🙂

Is he fragile?

Only when paparazzi talk about his mum or heatbutt him in the face.

Guy Martin could be a great feature presenter but not a host I think.

There's some good top gear-ish stuff out there... Roadkill can be great, their Alaska trip was basically Real Top Gear Without The Fannies. Start at the start not the end though. Some good stuff on Drive, Mike Musto if you like muscle, Chris Harris obviously, Matt Farah can be good... Alex Roy can be fantastic sometimes or just annoying.

Guy Martin? Jay Kay? No.

Chris Evans? Possibly....

Would he want to though beyond being a guest presenter? Its an old format. Some already say its gone on too long.

martinhutch - Member

The executive producer is Clarkson's best chum, as are the two other presenters.

Chris Evans on R2 this morning, was pondering why they couldn't just run the remaining shows with the other two given that it's only Clarkson that got suspended. But the way he was saying it, was like he was hinting at something; "hmmmm, why would it be that they couldn't just fall back on Hammond & May.....? Hmmmmmm" What possible reasons could there be....?" That kind of thing.

I wonder if Hammond & May said something along the lines of 'well, if he's not doing it, neither are we....'??

I quite like the idea of a refresh. Out with the old, in with the new.

The executive producer is Clarkson's best chum...

Maybe Chris Evans was alluding to Alonso? Or May and Hammond were being told no pudding for the remaining shows for showing Clarkson support?

hora - Member

Maybe Chris Evans was alluding to Alonso? Or May and Hammond were being told no pudding for the remaining shows for showing Clarkson support?

Perhaps. Or perhaps Clarkson has a long distance (70km or so) sportive to do this weekend and didn't want to tire himself out in advance recording the show?! 😀