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^^^ good result ! talking of old posts, didn't one of your cars have an encounter with a neighbours wheelie bin too ?? 🙂
I'd scrub Jag XF of that list unless you like garages.
Standard STW response is of course the Octavia!
Renton, how many miles a year do you actually do?
Kia Ceed Sportwagon?
Hyundai i30/i40 estate?
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^^^ good result ! talking of old posts, didn’t one of your cars have an encounter with a neighbours wheelie bin too ?? 🙂
That’s why nobody is suggesting Octavias…
Any reason it has to be an estate as well? It narrows the market.
There's a shit-ton of diesel SUVs out there at the price point.
That’s why nobody is suggesting Octavias…
ah, yes, I remember the gist of it now... 🙂
Doesn't have to be an estate but something big enough to get my bike in !
I wouldn't rule out an SUV
Haha and yes my very well kept Octavia VRS got ****ted by my neighbours bin !
Oh thank god.
I have a budget of £10750.
That's a very specific budget.
SUVs all have smaller boots than equivalent estates unless you go for something ridiculous like an Audi Q8. SUVs are no more practical than a hatchback but are heavier so wear parts out faster, I can't wait for the fashion trend to move on.
If practicality and space are the main priorities (and you'd think the majority of buyers would fall in that bracket for a machine built to move things, but people as we know aren't logical) then it's Berlingo / Caddy/ Tourneo. The fact these can be easily converted to camper duties and back means you're getting 3 vehicles in one- car, van, campervan.
vauxhall get you the best value for money (becasue no-one wants a vauxhall) - some kia/hyundais and most toyotas at that budget would still be in warranty if that matters (toyota gives you 1 year warranty every time you service with them as long as the car is under 10 years/100k miles).
Passat verso might be worth a look, pretty much estate shaped, and more economical. I think they did the same drivetrain in a corolla estate as well
or just make it more complicated with this -> https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202402287024896?sort=price-asc&advertising-location=at_cars&body-type=Estate&fuel-type=Diesel%20Hybrid&fuel-type=Diesel%20Plug-in%20Hybrid&fuel-type=Petrol%20Hybrid&fuel-type=Petrol%20Plug-in%20Hybrid&make=&maximum-mileage=80000&postcode=bn114rh&price-to=11000&year-from=2016&fromsra
I seem to remember they were surprisingly rapid
UVs all have smaller boots than equivalent estates unless you go for something ridiculous like an Audi Q8. SUVs are no more practical than a hatchback but are heavier so wear parts out faster, I can’t wait for the fashion trend to move on.
this is mostly nonsense. They can be more practical due to the height, and the boots are often larger especially with the seats flat - its just a different set of compromises to a regular car. SUVs aren't for me but the right one might be worth considering
SUVs all have smaller boots than equivalent estates unless you go for something ridiculous like an Audi Q8. SUVs are no more practical than a hatchback but are heavier so wear parts out faster, I can’t wait for the fashion trend to move on.
You may want to look in the boot of our Kuga! 🙂
And Qashqai's look to have a decent boot (and there's loads for sale)...
https://www.cinch.co.uk/used-cars/nissan/qashqai/details/7b54b844-c2de-40c9-96f6-2d9c7b8f23a2
You're dropping the seats anyway even in an estate if you want a bike to fit inside.
Hatchback derived SUV's like Seat Arona are useless though I'll give you that.
And Qashqai’s look to have a decent boot (and there’s loads for sale)…
The Qashqai doesn't have a very big boot at all, much smaller than an Octavia estate. They’re also, from my experience, a bit shit.
Personally I’d be looking for a diesel Octavia if I were you.
SUVs are no more practical than a hatchback but are heavier so wear parts out faster, I can’t wait for the fashion trend to move on.
No that is not true ! Our BMW X1 was far more practical useable space for bikes etc than either a BMW 3 series estate or now Merc E Class estate. The volume of the E class is massive but the head height significantly reduces it usability
eg I could easily get a Wacker Plate thing in the X1 because of the height of the boot. Not a bloody chance in any estate.
Also the X1 weighed less than 2000kg, the Merc weighs best part of 2500kg
The Qashqai doesn’t have a very big boot at all, much smaller than an Octavia estate. They’re also, from my experience, a bit shit.
Having just hired one to have to drive to Barrow and back - agree on all counts
Also the X1 weighed less than 2000kg, the Merc weighs best part of 2500kg
Heaviest e class is listed as 2285kg. I’d imagine that’s an “off road” hybrid combo to get to that weight too
and the boots are often larger especially with the seats flat –
Except it isn't mostly nonsense because I've looked up the dimensions that matter in boots with seats up and down, comparing SUVs with estates. You know, actual numbers.
The Qashqai doesn’t have a very big boot
It doesn't , I hired one and there was barely enough room for 2 suitcases. I get 4 in my estate easily
Manufacturers tend to give out boot space in volume which is the least useful measure imo. You need opening width, opening height, width in boot at narrowest point, depth of boot with seats up vs down. Fortunately the data is on the internet, just not on the car brand sites.
My E class is 1900kg , dunno what options box you ticked to gain 500kg?
Skoda Superb with a manual box should be the list.
Volvo V70 Or V60 with the D5 lump and manual box.
Audi A6 2.0tdi , manual box.
Seat Exeo , long in estate mode
Hyundai I40 estate , again long wheelbase.
fjust spend every moment behind the wheel dreading the next failure.
Isn't that all car ownership?
Ive heard to many horror stories
You have to remember that most of these are 1 in ....... failures.
For every "Ford / PSA diesels blow up the turbo, don't touch them with a barge pole" there's hundreds of thousands of cars that lived out their lives without ever having a leaking injector seal that was the root cause (and they quietly fixed it after a couple of years anyway.
I'm firmly of the opinion that cars don't die due to unreliable parts, they die because we decide not to value them enough to fix them and are conditioned to spend £10k on a 'new' car rather than £3k on a reconditioned engine swap.
You may want to look in the boot of our Kuga! 🙂
Isn't that the 4th up the scale of Ford SUV's though? Ecosport, Puma, Edge, Kuga? Doesn't really prove a point that they can be spacious!
Would this car dimensions comparison site be of any help?
https://www.automobiledimension.com/car-comparison.php
eg I could easily get a Wacker Plate thing in the X1 because of the height of the boot. Not a bloody chance in any estate.
I hired a whacker and brought it home in my CLS. And a cement mixer, but not at the same time.
Isn’t that the 4th up the scale of Ford SUV’s though? Ecosport, Puma, Edge, Kuga? Doesn’t really prove a point that they can be spacious!
Edge (no longer available in U.K.) is the largest Ford SUV
I’ve got a petrol Jaguar XF and I love it - but at your budget it’s going to be quite an old / high mileage diesel and I don’t think I’d be doing that with a Jaguar personally.
A Citroen DS5 is almost an estate and quite roomy inside. I had a diesel 2 litre / 160bhp one for a few years and it was very smooth and a lovely place to knock out motorway miles. Comfiest seats ever and an interesting interior. A quick google found a 2017 / 43k mileage one for £9750. I prefer the front end of the older ones (branded Citroen DS5 rather than DS Automobiles DS5) - but it’s the same car.
Kuga petrol, still got 42mpg out of it
Boot way better than the QQ, full of nice things, low miles.
and another
Car collected last night. Dealer asked for bank details this morning and money already back in my account.
Fantastic 👍
Depends on age but a BMW 3 series might be considerably smaller than the others
Kia/Hyundai
Have a look at size with Toyota Auris and Golf estates
Kia Optima estate.
Avensis estate.
Good news, nice one Renton.
320d btw, 😉
For boot dimensions I usually consult the RIDC database
https://www.ridc.org.uk/features-reviews/out-and-about/car-search
As for Ford/PSA lumps being unreliable, the 2.0 and 2.2 must be 20 years old now so yeah, some will statistically fail. Hilarious that folk would suggest a Mazda 6 over one though, it's a Mondeo floor pan with a terrible engine.
N47 engine in the 320d?
Have BMW solved the chain snapped issues?
BMW stopped using the N47 in 2014.
Kia Optima estate. They're not exciting but they're large and comfortable. For £10K it'll still be inside the Kia 7 year Warranty too.
Hilarious that folk would suggest a Mazda 6 over one though, it’s a Mondeo floor pan with a terrible engine.
Are you sure? I thought they went their own way a long time ago. And even then, what's wrong with the petrol Mazda engines? Nothing hilarious at all either way.
Don’t go near a Ford 1.5 Ecoboost the engines don’t last very long, likewise the semi auto gearboxes.
Qashqai has a small boot it’s short unless the seats are down - the xtrail has the space.
Kia and Hyundai are great until you need a spare part then you are likely to be waiting for a ship to bring it , there are few alternative suppliers even for what you would expect motor factors to sell probably due to that huge warranty.
We ended up with a petrol CRV poor fuel economy , we only do 7k a year but more than likely reliable and has a really good load space .
I'd avoid anything with a wet cambelt, eg Ford 'panther' ecoblue 2.0 which caused huge problems in transits and focii, but the 1.5 ecoblue is a dry belt, so no worries. It's a ford developed engine so can't blame PSA.
The old PSA 1.6 DV6 engine was pretty reliable until the dpf was added, after that the turbo oil starvation problems started.
Is there anything else I should look at?
Something Japanese/Korean.
Kia and Hyundai are great until you need a spare part then you are likely to be waiting for a ship to bring it ,
Are you sure they haven't worked out the need for a global logistics operation yet as a major global brand? Besides, the majority of the cars are made in Eastern Europe anyway using the same suppliers as other global brands. No need for a ship.
Er yeah they manufacture in South Korea and token plants in USA to satisfy import restrictions- my comment is based on friends independent garage where some these makes have been parked waiting for parts ordered from main dealers - otherwise the vehicles have excellent reliability and no image hang ups
When they told me it would be weeks waiting for a part I thought either it's a rare problem and no-one stocks the part; or it's a really common problem and the parts are all sold out. I didn't think of the third possibility which is that Hyundai's parts supply chain is crap.
From the BMW i4 Facebook group I’m a member of plenty of people there are waiting for months for parts to repair various things - some warranty issues some just breakages. I had to wait about 3 weeks for some door handle parts to replace bits that a hamfisted tech broke whilst replacing a door central locking module that failed post PDI but before delivery to me (module took a week to arrive) Basically parts are in short supply - not just Far Eastern brands
Ok they manufacture in Turkey and Czech Republic- so why has parts supply been a reoccurring theme ? Let’s be fair you are far less likely to need spares in normal operation than many other brands , perhaps that’s the price you pay - a brand that needs spares frequently creates its own spares ecosystem , the downside of reliability if it happens it’s an exception.
didn’t think of the third possibility which is that Hyundai’s parts supply chain is crap.
Amongst many issues Spares supply was a recurring issue with my 2000lantra piece of crap from new.
You'd think they would have worked it out you need many spares of the bits that probably should not break in stock.....
Re car choice, an Avensis estate is probably the single best car available if you value what matters about a car - reliability etc. there is a good reason why a lot of taxis use them. Exiting in any way shape or form they are not mind.
If you want a reliable car that is less likely (but of course never guaranteed) not to be a money pit just check out what cars of the appropriate vintage are most popular with taxi drivers and then go with the most suitable or appealing model from that shortlist.
When they told me it would be weeks waiting for a part I thought either it’s a rare problem and no-one stocks the part; or it’s a really common problem and the parts are all sold out. I didn’t think of the third possibility which is that Hyundai’s parts supply chain is crap.
Honestly, I think it's a wider problem than any of that.
There's brexit of course. There's the small matter of one of the primary manufacturers of wiring being Ukraine and they're a little busy right now. Every other week there's a global shortage of something and it only takes one component, back when I bought my Mondeo circa 2008 there was a delay of several months because they'd run out of steering wheels.
I knew it must be Brexit again.
To add to the Avensis the Corolla estate and clone Suzuki Swace are also pretty decent.
"Are you sure? I thought they went their own way a long time ago. And even then, what’s wrong with the petrol Mazda engines? Nothing hilarious at all either way."
Yeah I can't see a Ford reference for the third gen. I'm not particularly bothered, they at least didn't ruin it unlike Jaguars efforts with the X Type. My point about the engines was in relation to the diesels, I wouldn't have a Skyactiv if you paid me. Japanese makers haven't had much luck with diesels, 1st gen Honda N22s ate big ends and the less said about Subaru Boxers the better. Last I looked Toyota were using BMW diesels but that was the Avensis about 5 years ago.
"Don’t go near a Ford 1.5 Ecoboost the engines don’t last very long"
Mine is nearing 60k, doing just fine.
"The old PSA 1.6 DV6 engine was pretty reliable until the dpf was added, after that the turbo oil starvation problems started."
Is that the one with the oil pickup running through the centre of the block that gums up and causes galling on the cams?
I knew it must be Brexit again.
You won, get over it.
Manufacturer approved Hyundai i30?
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202403087346549
not the fastest thing in the world, but decent sized boot and economical.
Is that the one with the oil pickup running through the centre of the block that gums up and causes galling on the cams?
Don't think the oil channel runs up the centre of the block, nope. DV6s found their way into Fords, Minis, Berlingos, Volvos, Suzukis and Mazdas. Getting old now, mine's on 117,000. I took the sump off a few years back to check/clean the mesh filter in the pick-up and change the filter in the banjo bolt in the turbo oil feed pipe just in case. Mine were actually ok, though the bottom of the sump was pretty sticky. The DV6 has a reputation for gumming up that filter and then the turbo overheats and blows, sending chunks of turbo into the cylinders
Honda 1.6 diesel is a superb engine.
"Ok they manufacture in Turkey and Czech Republic- so why has parts supply been a reoccurring theme ?"
Maybe they're importing raw materials or semi finished parts from China? Sea freight timing has increased by 2-3 weeks, obviously longer routes but also port congestion. Car production is also running on JIT, so a choice between production allocation and spares/service has a clear financial balance.