[Closed] Toddler dies after being left in car.

How awful 🙁

In fact I wish I'd never read this or seen the title 🙁

It's unfortunately a once a summer headline here in France.

I dont want to troll on this as if it is genuine how dreadful however

Doctors in the city of Ancona declared the 22-month-old dead, three days after the father returned from work to find her barely breathing in his car.

The man, a professor of veterinary medicine, told investigators that he had inexplicably thought he had left her at a nursery on the way to work.

I read it as she was declared dead 3 days after the day of the incident, not that she was in the car for 3 days.

Junkyard - read it again and you'll find that she was left in the car for the day and died three days later.

Would you be equally suspicious if it were the [url= http://www.leparisien.fr/val-de-marne-94/bebe-mort-oublie-dans-une-voiture-la-mere-bouleversee-remise-en-liberte-04-06-2010-950691.php ]mother,[/url] Junkyard?

Edit:

"Elle n'a pas déposé la fillette chez la nourrice comme elle le faisait habituellement."

"She didn't leave drop the little girl off at the nanny as she normmaly did."

There have been cases of people going on holiday and forgetting a kid in sevice areas only to phone the gendarmes panic stricken a few hours later.

😳
sorry in that case how ****ing awful [ not just my reading]

Sadly as said above it does happen, every year, but it cant help the family or the child to know that.

Its just a very sad story.

Don't really understand what you hope to achieve from posting this.

brings a tear to your eye that one..

I'm with Molgrips - not a very nice time for anyone there.

DrP

It's one of those rare cases where a tragic headline might save another child's life, Foxychick. The publicity cases like this have got mean people just call the gendarmes if they see a kid alone in a car on a hot day - not to do so being an offence, "non-assistance à personne en danger". So post away, Zulus.

Remember an identical case on tv, but in the US. Truly awful. Poor thing.

Tragic for the family as this was.
Was this not a story line on CSI..

I read it like that too Junkyard ......I thought they were saying that the father hadn't realised that the child had been left in the car for three days. It didn't make any sense to me, but I didn't think it sounded suspicious, just confusing. I didn't want to dwell on the story and didn't want to read the full article, so I let it go.

EDIT : btw I'm not wanting to argue Edukator, but do you really think publicity is an issue here ? Without knowing the full details of the case, I don't get the impression that the child died because the father, or any potential passer byers, hadn't realised how dangerous it is to leave a 22 month child on its own locked in a car.

FoxyChick - Member

Don't really understand what you hope to achieve from posting this.

I am with you on this - its rubbernecking again.

[url= http://lci.tf1.fr/france/faits-divers/2008-08/enfant-seul-dans-voiture-sauve-par-passant-4862674.html ]A child saved.[/url] Now would the person have felt happy about breaking the window if there hadn't been two deaths very much in the media in June 08?

We slag off the media but it can play a useful pedagogical role.

Your link's not working for me Edukator, but fair enough - I'm just surprised that people need educating on the subject. I can understand that some people might not realise just how quickly a dog can die in a hot car, so that needs plenty of publicity, but I would have thought that most people realised that no baby/toddler should ever be left in a car.

I concur, These threads serve no useful purpose.

As do "helicopter at Swinley etc. I hope they are all right Threads."

Give people a bit of respect and privacy and don't gossip about them. If the person invloved wishes to divulge a disaster that's up to them.

link works if you can read French.....now if olyn I knew what any of the words meant

cbike - Member

I concur, These threads serve no useful purpose.

As do "helicopter at Swinley etc. I hope they are all right Threads."

Give people a bit of respect and privacy and don't gossip about them. If the person invloved wishes to divulge a disaster that's up to them.

Yup - I got flamed for suggesting it tho

Well the link shows a photo of a car with a broken window and the story in as few words as possible:

A grandfather left a kid in a car in Avignon in August and went shopping. 35°C and the car parked in the shade. The sun moved around onto the car, the car got hot and after half an hour somebody noticed the kid in distress. The person broke the window and handed the kid over to supermarket security. The granfather came back after an hour to be charged by the procureur. He was eventullay let off though.

"Helicoptr at Swinley" and "helicopter at so and so cliff" are ghoul threads highly unlikely to save anyone else form a similar fate - I didn't reply to either. This one I mulled over, decided it might raise awareness for anyone reading and decided to contribute to as it was obviously going to get a similar reaction to the helico threads and I thought it might be amusing to see how I got on defending the OP.

Can you save the petty bickering for another thread please. I posted this thread to point out that these things do happen and hoped that it might make people think a wee bit more about leaving their kids in cars or forgetting to drop them at nursery. Nothing more, nothing less.

Hopefully it's done more than that Zulus. Hopefully not only will people be more careful with their own kids but they'll also just smash a window and get the kid out if they notice a child apparently "sleeping" or clearly distressed in a car in the sun on a hot day.

and hoped that it might make people think a wee bit more about leaving their kids in cars or forgetting to drop them at nursery.

Yeah I'm sure people won't 'forget to drop their kids at the nursery' now, as a result of this thread. Good call.

that is absolutely dreadful. that poor kid. made me cry. i wish i had not read it to be honest.

STW, where no tragedy is too important to bitch about.

Much as this is a tragic event, and it is, I am firmly with TJ and Foxy here.

that is absolutely dreadful. that poor kid. made me cry. i wish i had not read it to be honest.

How is this story in the public interest other than to provoke responses like this?

Just another thread brought to you by SBZ meant to get a rise.

I'm intrigued. Have TJ, Ernie, Foxy, Coyote and Steve Austin read my posts? If you have guys and girl, challenge my logic rather than slag off Zulus.

They make no reference to my impecable logic and evidence that the French at least are now confident to smash windows and save kids rather than walk by. How many people saw that Italian child in the car but didn't do anything? Perhaps because they didn't feel obliged or simply because they feared being charged with criminal damage and kidnapping. After the medai coverage in France no-one is afraid to save a child.

There was a similar case here in Denmark a couple of years ago but it was a baby and he/she was dead when the Dad got back to the car at the end of the day.

Truly dreadful

Read this story last night - I really feel for the poor parents, they must be in bits. 🙁

Strikes a chord with me as it is exactly the kind of stupid thing I worry about doing myself.

Some days the missus drops off our little one at nursery, some days I do. It's on the way to work for both of us. It would be all too easy to slip into half-asleep autopilot, drive past the nursery and straight to work.

I checked the empty car seat twice before I got out the car this morning 😳

I'm intrigued. Have TJ, Ernie, Foxy, Coyote and Steve Austin read my posts? If you have guys and girl, challenge my logic rather than slag off Zulus.

They make no reference to my impecable logic

I did - I referred to your "impeccable logic" more then once. I even asked you a direct question with regards to it, which you answered - so I can't really accuse you of not reading my posts. Tell me therefore, what was the purpose of that remark .......apart from perhaps stoking the thread for more argument ?

And btw, I have no desire to "slag off Zulus". If wants to claim that he only posted this thread because he had, quote, "hoped that it might make people think a wee bit more about leaving their kids in cars or forgetting to drop them at nursery", then that comment speaks for itself - people can decide for themselves whether this tragic incident could have been avoided, if only had the professor of veterinary medicine been reminded by someone that forgetting to drop your kid off at the nursery and leaving them in the car is dangerous.

Yes I have read your posts. I refute your logic, you are clearly trolling, I think this sort of post is distasteful rubbernecking, I see no educational value in it.

Ernie, you and the others I named keep ignoring the bit about public awareness will mean that passers by will save kids. Public awareness is therefore a good thing.

I haven't been trolling, I now will.

Would TJ, Ernie, Foxy, Coyote and Steve Austin clearly state that they do not believe public awareness that children die in hot cars will never lead to a child being saved.

And that despite evidence that children are now saved rather than left to die in France.

Bickering over this topic is tasteless - lets just leave it eh?

No, Graham I won't leave leave it. This thread isn't tasteless or rubbernecking as some would have it, it's a case of learning from the mistakes of others rather than your own. It's in the same category as road safty campaigns that include leaving wrecks at the side of the road and putting up black silhouettes at fatal accident sites.

I think it's just discussing a news story, which is what people do, isn't it? If you're not interested in discussing it pick another thread ffs.

Can't see how it's really a mistake to 'learn from' though.

Despite how a few want to take this thread the OP was done with good intention.

If it makes a few think twice when passing a car with a child left inside then its a good thing.

Besides, the OP has made all the prerequisites of a STW post. Thus allowing the usual suspects to come and have a rant. All is right in the world.

No, Graham I won't leave leave it. This thread isn't tasteless or rubbernecking as some would have it, it's a case of learning from the mistakes of others rather than your own.

Edukator: I actually agreed with the original premise that a bit of public awareness is sometimes a good thing, but when you said:

"I haven't been trolling, I now will. "

You turned a potentially sensitive discussion and expression of sympathy into an internet willywave. That's the bit that is tasteless. 😐

This is a new low.

dezB +1

kids die, are we not allowed to discuss or acknowledge that? i'm quite perplexed by the reaction to this thread 😕

even if it's not a PSA thread, does that matter?

I'm 100% with edu here. Can everybody on this thread honestly claim it hasn't made any difference at all to their attitude seeing a toddler alone in a car? If so you're better men/women than me. Who as a parent hasn't thought "I could just leave little one asleep in the car here while I pop into the shop" even if you've had the sense not to do it - not everybody does realise it's not a good idea.

If we're doing trolling, then TJ and ernie would appear not to have kids, which makes a difference to their perspective on this. For all those complaining about the very existence of the thread - why exactly did you open it in the first place if you're not rubber neckers?

If we're doing trolling, then TJ and ernie would appear not to have kids

FFS, what do you know whether I've got kids or not ? And WTF has it got to do with this thread ? Are you seriously suggesting that people without children have a "different perspective" about whether children should be allowed to die in cars ? Sort yourself out mate, ffs.

ernie - you should know by now that in STWland if you have any opinion about anything to do with children without having a dozen of your own you will get flamed

FFS, what do you know whether I've got kids or not

I thought that was clear in the statement you quoted above

What statement I quoted ? Or is this another one of your attempts to engage in a silly playground-style argument with me CharlieMungus ? If that's the case, then let's save time by declaring you the "winner" straight away.

Soryy, ernie but you'll have to read it. I wasn't looking to engage you in an argument, I know you don't do that. I was merely pointing out that the answer to your question

FFS, what do you know whether I've got kids or not

was in fact answered in the line which you quoted in your response.

If we're doing trolling, then TJ and ernie would appear not to have kids

Hope that helps.

But, can i be the winner anyway?

Despite how a few want to take this thread the OP was done with good intention.

Thread closed due to the usual few bickering.