[Closed] Today is the first day of the rest of our lives

I've already had to set a colleague straight after she complained about who got to vote yesterday. She voted leave FFS! I think I'm going to have to have the conversation repeatedly with some others too!

To become 'competitive' on the world market the minimum/living wage will become the Chinese/Indian wage. Invest in rice!

people of Britain, prepare for the dry-bumming of your life: TTIP_2.0_UKrelease, coming in hard, and fast.

Sorry mods, unintentional swear filter avoidance, just frustration at the result.

Seems anyone interviewed who voted leave is surprised that they won and doesn't know what to do/ say/ will happen now.... Suggests they haven't given it much thought perhaps....?

Farage even said as much. He said he just wanted to win and had no idea what would happen if they did but they'd muddle it through.

That's Standard & Poor, I believe, and they don't, as I recall, have a good track record on getting their forecasts right, and neither do the likes of Goldman Sachs.

CountZero - did you see the film The Big Short? Our finanacial stability is in the hands of those people 😯

As I see it, this vote is a Win-Win for Britain.

Either the UK will become the "Land of Milk & Honey" that people seem to remember it once was - everybody will be happy, gainfully employed, well and fully educated and in good health (Hospital waiting lists will become a distant memory, just like "post war rationing") Police forces, social services, public services and the armed forces will all return to their former glory. Or . . . it will turn out that the EU wasn't the biggest problem after all and the real culprits responsible for the current state of the UK will be exposed, bought to book and will have to "change their ways" so that the UK becomes the Land of Milk & Honey it once was . . .

Either way Britain wins! Right? . . . . .

There's optimism in my bones.

A huge positive is it will be the last time our proud hooligans smash up french cities... it's their last ever euro championships.if that had been explained it would have swung the vote. Where will young chav smash up now??

Coconut ... I think you're right but for the wrong reasons

Can you imagine how it's going to kick off out there before the next match

Two world wars
One world cup
And an EU referendum

I despair

Two world wars
One world cup
And an EU referendum

... if you're being generous it's "one World War" cos it was a draw at the end of normal time and victory was only declared after, er, penalties....

😀

FuzzyWuzzy - Member
I think there's a bit too much doom and gloom here.

The thing is I'm not that doom and gloom about the economy, it'll recover eventually regardless. I'm soon and gloom about the fact we as a species have spent our entire existence working towards being a bigger grouping because there is strength in numbers, we've just steeped bank from that. We were a member of an organisation which could have been something great if only we (and others) stopped throwing a spanner in the works and thinking of petty self interest and, rather than try and fix it we've walked away. This isn't (likely) a loss for us on an economic front in the long term, it is a loss for progress, moderation, tolerance and cooperation. It's saying "we're better off alone than together", that your problems are not our problems, that you and I are not the same and that you are the root cause of my problems. It's a long way from ghettos and forced labour but it's a step closer to thinking we can solve society's problems not by looking at what we're doing wrong and taking steps to fix those things but by casting about for someone or something who doesn't fit and getting rid of them.

It's the same logic that says the best solution to refugees is to close our borders rather than to see what we can do to make their country habitable once again, that allows us to make no choice when we don't like the options (assad IS being the perfect example) rather than making a bad choice over a worse one (stain over Hitler being the obvious comparison).

The world is not a better place for shutting ourselves on and thinking we'll be okay. So yes doom and gloom about the fact that we as a species (assuming the UK populace is vaguely representative) are still predominantly incapable of thinking of people in terms of what makes us the same instead of what makes us better/different.

Bank of England has had to promise £250 billion to shore up the markets. Isn't that about 40 years worth of money we send to Europe? Sadly it would appear that the vast majority who voted leave, poorer working classes, are the ones who will be hit the hardest.
Turkeys and Christmas all over again.

burko73 - Member
All this "hope house prices crash so I can come back here and buy a house in the fall out" pi££es me off.
I had to save and do the right thing to buy a house, how does that help me and anyone else who's bought a house recently if property prices crash and we're all in negative equity? You think it's the right thing to pick through the spoils of those who've had their houses repossessed and get a cheap deal on something the previous owners got chucked out of!

So, say the house prices don't fall, indeed let's say they rise over time. When/if you choose to move home will you sell for the price you brought the property at, or take a profit driven by market forces? I'm guessing the latter.

You live by the sword...

Where will young chav smash up now??

Mosques and Polski shops, naturally. And the pub at away matches.

The world is not a better place for shutting ourselves on and thinking we'll be okay. So yes doom and gloom about the fact that we as a species (assuming the UK populace is vaguely representative) are still predominantly incapable of thinking of people in terms of what makes us the same instead of what makes us better/different.

I really like you. That's how I'm feeling too. I wish we could all see our commonality, think co-operatively. That feels further away today.

This isn't (likely) a loss for us on an economic front in the long term, it is a loss for progress, moderation, tolerance and cooperation.

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mrmonkfinger - Member
This isn't (likely) a loss for us on an economic front in the long term, it is a loss for progress, moderation, tolerance and cooperation.
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"Am disappointed to say the least. The vote is what it is, and we still have to see what the actual real-world result of it all will be...
For me it was never really about sovereignty (what an outdated idea that is anyway), immigration or the economy.
We woke up this morning a much poorer group of people in terms of humanity, hope and vision."

we've just had our first 'reassuring' (but actually scary) email from the CEO.

with words like 'impact', 'difficult', and 'endure'.

'triffic.

The vote was close, surely the next step is a trip to Brussels and a discussion on what could be offered to help persuade the UK to stay followed by another referendum?

Or am I just being naive?

This isn't (likely) a loss for us on an economic front in the long term, it is a loss for progress, moderation, tolerance and cooperation.

Yes.

It is a loss.

coppice - Member
The vote was close, surely the next step is a trip to Brussels and a discussion on what could be offered to help persuade the UK to stay followed by another referendum?

Or am I just being naive?

The ignorant masses still wouldn't go for it, although enough might change to swing it.

No chance.

Out is out.

The vote was close, surely the next step is a trip to Brussels and a discussion on what could be offered to help persuade the UK to stay followed by another referendum?

Or am I just being naive?

This isn't (likely) a loss for us on an economic front in the long term, it is a loss for progress, moderation, tolerance and cooperation.
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More likely blood bath tory leadership election (thank god I only have to live with that and not choose between the options they'll put forward) causing more market woes. Gove or Boris to succeed Cameron over summer and run the country to its knees till 2020.

This is about the only thing that's cheered me up - that **** Boris wanted Cameron to stay on while negotiating, now it's his problem to deal with the mess 🙂

Looks like I'll be chopping in my UK passport for a Spanish one. Rubbish...

This is about the only thing that's cheered me up - that **** Boris wanted Cameron to stay on while negotiating, now it's his problem to deal with the mess

Yep, Boris will get elected, get blamed for poor deals and breakup of the U.K. with Gove laughing.

Looks like I'll be chopping in my UK passport for a Spanish one. Rubbish..

Likewise... .all that Spanish paperwork 😡

The £ this morning was at its lowest exchange rate since 1985, lower than 1992 when we got chucked out of the ERM. A sign of things to come: downward pressure on wages and upward pressure on prices with a government scrabbling to increase its income by more privatization.

Looking at some of the non-UK individuals who have come out and said "Well done UK" reads like a who's who of people I do not want us to be in tune with:

The Donald
Marion Le Pen
Florian Philippot
Geert Wilders
Beatrix von Storch
Matteo Salvini
Norbert Hofer

how long till Kim Jong Un joins that list?

Anyone who quotes sovereignty IS uneducated in that regard as they don't understand what it means.

Cameron gambled on offering a referendum on an issue that split his support in order to win a general election. He never expected to lose it. As someone on twitter said, the worst judgement call since Chamberlain.

Genuinely surprised, disappointed and depressed about what this says about the UK. The Leave camp now look a bit rabbit in the headlights.

Wales voted out, having failed to see the blue and gold signs on all their road and hospital building programmes. Cornwall just asked who's going to replace the £60m a year they've been getting from the EU. Turns out it's not all us propping up the Greeks, just a shame the Remain campaign was so negative and traded on fear of unknown rather than spelling out the positives.

Petition has been set up asking for another go. Wishful thinking. 🙁

Also need Mugabe and Putin for a full house

I was a staunch no in the indyref

I'd vote yes right now and for the foreseeable.

I believe a lot of people voted "Yes" for independence, not due to simplistic nationalism, but because they didn't agree with the direction UK politics was taking and wanted a different sort of society. The sort of society that would not have voted us out of Europe.

I believe a lot of people voted "Yes" for independence, not due to simplistic nationalism, but because they didn't agree with the direction UK politics was taking and wanted a different sort of society. The sort of society that would not have voted us out of Europe.

Playing Devil's Advocate for a second...

So many of those who want independence from a 'London-centric' government (that doesn't have the interests of Scotland at heart) are clamouring to remain in a union with 27 other countries, based in Brussels, because they think it'll be better for Scotland?

Not saying I agree either way, it just seems a little....odd.

it is a loss for progress, moderation, tolerance and cooperation.

sootyandjim - Member

Not saying I agree either way, it just seems a little....odd.

here's how i see it:

Scotland in the UK: the government is in Westminster, Yes there's a Scottish parliament, but they're not really empowered to do much.

Scotland in the EU: the government is in Holyrood, yes there's the EU, but that would just provide the framework for Scotland to do what it wanted.

similar but different.

...similar but different.

But as an independent Scotland would be applying to join as a new member nation (with all the clauses such applicants must agree to) how does that tally with moves towards an increasingly federal state?

How free to do what they wanted would Holyrood really be? We've already seen the EU run roughshod over the will of the Greek people.

Not sure the EU will be the land of milk and honey for an independent Scotland that many believe it will be, that's if Scotland were even admitted.

hope house prices crash so I can come back here and buy a house in the fall out"

I feel genuinely sick from this.

It wasn't.

A friend of mine commented that being a Brexiter today must be like being a Labour supporter in May '97. We just have to hope this one pans out a bit better.

A friend of mine commented that being a Brexiter today must be like being a Labour supporter in May '97.

EU's relationship with its member states is nothing like Scotland's current relationship with the UK.

As an aside, given how much of the Independence campaign was based on anti-London sentiment, it's ironic that London and Scotland were the two most pro-remain areas!

I was personally going with something from the 30's

I imagine more like storming the winter palace then living through what follows. So much (in my opinion naive) hope about to be crushed by the reality.

"Workers of the UK unite, you have nothing to loose but your chains" would have seemed an apt slogan for brexit

As an aside, given how much of the Independence campaign was based on anti-London sentiment, it's ironic that London and Scotland were the two most pro-remain areas!

I think you've misunderstood this. No such thing as anti-London sentiment, any more than there is an anti-Cardiff sentiment, more of an anti-Westminster feeling which the EURef result won't have done anything to improve.

So many of those who want independence from a 'London-centric' government (that doesn't have the interests of Scotland at heart) are clamouring to remain in a union with 27 other countries, based in Brussels, because they think it'll be better for Scotland?

Not saying I agree either way, it just seems a little....odd.

There's nothing inconsistent about wanting to take a different political direction from the rest of the UK and at the same time remain in the EU. Membership of an economic and political union of sovereign national states is not the same as being part of a sovereign national state.
For me, it's not about a London-centric government. It's about being part of a society that just has very different views on a lot of social and political issues.

Not sure the EU will be the land of milk and honey for an independent Scotland that many believe it will be, that's if Scotland were even admitted.

I don't know anyone that believes that EU membership will result in a land of milk and honey, but a lot of people believe it's better than being outside the EU.

So, legislation on the way for a second Scottish referendum and a vote of no confidence tabled against Corbyn.