[Closed] Tin foil hat time?

Don't really get the Idris Elba/bond pic but I did find the story oddly ironic

Indeed.

What has Idris Elba got to do with it ?

I'm going with it being a suggestion that somebody with a 'license to kill' was involved and that it wasn't an accident.

Ah ok, I see.

So what's Idris Elba got to do with it ?

😉

....somebody with a 'license to kill' was involved and that it wasn't an accident.

I can't think of a more plausible explanation to explain why a small private jet ended up crashing into a car auction car park.

Nealglover - if we have to explain it to you, we may have to kill you next 😉

MoreCashThanDash - Member
Nealglover - if we have to explain it to you, we may have to kill you next

Isn't Elba in the running to be the next Bond? But what the SIS would have to do with nobbling some of the (extensive) Bin Laden family is a bit of a leap - the CIA now... hmmm 😯

There is no way al Qaeda could have done that. And given the families close ties to Bush and American intelligence no way any western agency would have done it so mechanical fault or pilot error ..

That's if they were really on the flight.

That's if they were really on the flight.

Ooh that's good. I'm going with this!!

Fools!

It's all covered here :

[url= http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?p=1062552595#post1062552595 ]Osama bin Laden and that "plane crash" ...[/url]

At least it didn't crash into a building.

That would've been ironic...

Ernie_lynch - Member
Fools!

It's all covered here :

Osama bin Laden and that "plane crash" ...

So this just appears to me to be a load of [s]nutjobs[/s] people attempting to do some maths so that they can, in the most tenuous of ways, link all sorts of world events into one massive conspiracy?
But it was actually Idris Elba wot dun it?

We all know the Queen did it.

Just to add, there has been a crash at Biggin Hill today as well - Spitfire heavily damaged but pilot okay. What with the Gnat incident, these things seem to happen all at once. Also it would seem the pilot had a bloody lucky escape.

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'Tis the Airshow season.

I read somewhere that the incidents are connected but thunderbirds 6 is denying any involvement and fox news are reporting that there have been no aeroplane crashes ever.. Anywhere

Yeah, still pretty impressed the pilot survived that. Doesn't look like it was a controlled crash landing onto the airfield like some of the reports suggested.

What is it with members of the Bin Laden family and dodgy plane incidents?

Osama Bin Laden's brother was at a meeting of the Carlyle Group on the morning of 9/11, with George HW Bush, [url= http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=carlyle_group ]though it wasn't the 1st time HW Bush had met the Bin Laden family[/url]

[url= http://news.sky.com/story/209876/bin-laden-family-evacuated-from-us ]The weird thing is that the Bin Laden family were allowed to fly whilst airspace was shut down in the wake of 9/11[/url]

Members of Osama bin Laden's family were allowed to fly out of the US shortly after the September 11 terror attacks, a senior official has said.

Even though American airspace had been shut down, the Bush administration allowed a jet to fly around the US picking up family members from 10 cities, including Los Angeles, Washington DC, Boston and Houston.

This recent crash just adds to the intrigue...

[url= http://news.sky.com/story/1529006/bin-laden-plane-crash-doesnt-make-sense ]Bin Laden Plane Crash doesn't make sense[/url]

Get wrapping

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He's heeeeere.....

If you insist...

Bin Laden, Bin Laden, what you doing there?
The aviation habits of your family are up in the air,
Meeting with presidents, spooks and crooks,
All the same guy, one entry in address books,
I don't mean to preach, agitate or push,
but goddammit, you have to look into Bush,
If it agitates, raddles and taxes your brain,
Make like Mr T~ I ain't gettin no plane!!
Mr T that's me and it don't stand for tinfoil,
Total geopolitics, power, weapons and oil

No one on the ground was injured - but one witness said the jet resembled a missile as it came "flying down".

TEH SMOKING GNU!!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!ONE!

If you insist...

Fair play, that's very good. (-:

TEH SMOKING GNU

... as is that. I've a mental image now of an anthropomorphic gnu dressed as Hugh Heffner.

Aren't there about (random number alert) 500 people who can claim to be a Bin Laden? Given that the family is bloody wealthy, and bloody wealthy people tend to have private planes, some of the "crashy" ones will have Bin Ladens on them, won't they?

There's probably a null hypothesis in there somewhere

There could be 500 members of the Bin Laden family, but we're not talking 2nd cousins twice removed...

As relations go, [url= http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/08/01/osama_bin_laden_s_sister_and_stepmother_killed_in_mysterious_u_k_plane_crash.html ]sister and stepmother are up there in the close family stakes[/url]

Who dunnit and why, then?

As relations go, sister and stepmother are up there in the close family stakes

Not really, don't you even read your own links ? ....

[quote=JHJ's Link]..Osama had many stepmothers, as well as more than 50 siblings.

Could be a warning by members of powerful interests such as The Carlyle Group and Le Cercle to prevent any whistleblowers from coming forward with further evidence of 9/11 involvement of high profile figures of the Saudi elite such as Bandar Bin Sultan, Turki bin Faisal and Al-Waleed bin Talal ([url= http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/british-muslims/page/4 ]see end of this thread[/url])

That's before you take into account the many elements which raise suspicion of Bush Family involvement...

Or [url= http://28pages.org/faq/ ]not only the 28 redacted pages of the 9/11 report[/url], but also the recent release of [url= http://gawker.com/heres-the-cias-just-released-top-secret-file-on-saudi-t-1710986289 ]redacted CIA documents relating to Saudi involvement in 9/11[/url]

OR it could be a plane crash. in which some relatives of someone not very nice were killed.

[i]Could be a warning by members of powerful interests[/i]

could be; could be just a "crashy" plane

Fairly ostentatious way to send people a message to be more discreet?

EDIT - spoiler if you haven't seen Memento...

Or it could be conspiracy theorists who've deliberately caused the crash [i]to make it look like it was a warning by members of powerful interests such as The Carlyle Group and Le Cercle to prevent any whistleblowers from coming forward with further evidence of 9/11 involvement, etc[/i]. A bit like Memento without the amnesia but with the self manufactured excitement.

Could be a warning by members of powerful interests such as The Carlyle Group and Le Cercle to prevent any whistleblowers from coming forward with further evidence of 9/11 involvement of high profile figures of the Saudi elite such as Bandar Bin Sultan, Turki bin Faisal and Al-Waleed bin Talal (see end of this thread)

That's before you take into account the many elements which raise suspicion of Bush Family involvement...

I appreciate that this is going to a wild, outlandish suggestion, but it could even have been pilot error.

It certainly could, but given experienced pilots are somewhat bemused by how such a crash should occur, it would be foolish to dismiss the potential for foul play...

I heard a rumor that the pilot made a mistake. Boring I know but JHJ would never believe anything so bland.

What! experienced pilots don't know that other experienced pilots can make mistakes.

I live a few miles up the road, rumour locally is that a white Fiat uno was seen driving back towards Windsor a few minutes later...

[i]It certainly could, but given experienced pilots are somewhat bemused [/i]

Is this not an "appeal to Authority" logical fallacy?

Are All experienced pilots bemused, or just ones who'll give some filler for a crap article?

What are your thoughts on the covert influence on global politics of such mysterious bodies such as Le Cercle nick?

Have you ever thought of becoming a politician?

Your ability to swerve questions you don't want to answer by asking an entirely unrelated one is second to none.

[Flashy]I quite like the chocolate fondant, but the live music wasn't to my taste[/Flashy]

oh, wait...you did mean the French restaurant in London, didn't you?

EDIT: TBH Jive dear thing; I'm happy that Occam's Razor and the Venn diagram that contains Private Jets, the enormously wealthy, and private jet using Bin Ladens, and Crashing...are enough to satisfy me.

I'm sure you won't be put off though. (and why should you?) 😉

Under the circumstance, it's wholly related... as of course are the multiple strands of investigation of Bush Family members.

So we are bullying JHJ again 🙁 He has some views that go against the grain but why are people hounding him?

TJ was treated the same by so called big hitter and we know how that ended up. Yes I know that is a big leap but let JHJ have his platform

it could even have been pilot error.

Looking at the details (for what's available) yes.

Start approach, not paying attention, climb 500feet, notice, drop altitude on same approach, going too fast, pull back, full throttle, uh-oh spool-up time, crash.

It seemingly has a black box so I'm sure that will be a "convenient story" before long.

let JHJ have his platform

He has his platform. Nobody is stopping him posting his stuff.

And nobody is stopping people from picking at the obvious holes in it either.

What's the problem?

it would be foolish to dismiss the potential for foul play...

Certainly. But what you seen to miss time and again is, it would also be foolish to dismiss the potential for a mundane cause. The two are not mutually exclusive.

It could be something to do with the CIA blah blah Bush Circle Jerk whatever it was you said; it could've been mind control by mutant space chickens; it could've been a fault on the plane; or it could be that the pilot had a heart attack, or was distracted because he was indulging in a spot of horatio with the Ms Bin Ladens at the time.

Point is, we don't know, it's too soon after the event. So all you've got at the moment is rumour, conjecture and a photograph of Jimmy Savile with someone dressed as a pilot in the background.

Bullying? No.

Responding with common sense and probability? Yes.

Given some of the stuff JHJ has come out with has been completely debunked by reliable witnesses (the unsubstantiated story about my former school being the centre of a high class paedophile ring) yet he still refuses to see reason are you not surprised he gets some stick?

He has his platform. Nobody is stopping him posting his stuff.

And nobody is stopping people from picking at the obvious holes in it either.

What's the problem?

It's fine to pick holes as individuals, but the collective circle-jerk demanding he answer your questions is the issue.

Much as I hate to admit it, neal has a point... it is better for holes to be picked, because of course, not all my information is flawless~ I'm far from perfect, but I do know there are several avenues deserving of further investigation that have not been adequately pursued by the powers that be or the mainstream media.

The 28 pages and the recent redacted CIA report of Saudi involvement linked to on the last page are good examples, as are the roles of not only ex CIA director George HW Bush, but also Marvin and Jeb Bush.

The problem comes when you have a group of people who disagree and start piling in. The pack mentality takes over and all sense of decorum is lost. It has happened on other threads where people start going over the line.

As I said it happened to TJ, don't want to see it happen again.

Again it's that weird scenario where a bunch of people get slightly enraged by any ideas that don't toe the party line..

It's pretty odd, and I've seen it a lot on here..

Conspiracy theorists seemingly cause genuine outrage to a certain proportion of average joes who have little to gain either way and that frightens me more than any conspiracy theory

fruity bastards

Who is TJ?

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Thing is; looking for a reason to explain when something happens that seems improbable appears rational, but the mistake is to be surprised that improbable things happen.

Even Aristotle realised that "it is probable that improbable things will happen. Granted this one might argue that what is Improbable is probable"

It's almost impossible that JHJ will be hit by lightning, but it happens nearly everyday, someone somewhere is struck by lightning, same with Private Jets and Bin Landen's

seems so unlikely that it almost begs an explanation, but TBH it was statistically bound to happen at some point.

It's fine to pick holes as individuals

That's exactly what's happening.

Individuals posting on a public forum. Like a conversation.

Do you think we are all in the same room formulating a plan?

Conspiracy theorists seemingly cause genuine outrage to a certain proportion of average joes...

I think it is a fairly natural reaction to someone implying that you are a stupid sheep that is easily fooled and too dumb to understand what is [i]really[/i] going on.

No one likes to be told they are stupid.

TJ was treated the same by so called big hitter and we know how that ended up. Yes I know that is a big leap but let JHJ have his platform

It's hardly surprising that MI5 wants to silence JHJ. And it's fairly obvious to me who the MI5 "big hitters" on here are.

Meanwhile, I was shocked to discover this :

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It's all starting to make sense now.

Conspiracy theorists seemingly cause genuine outrage to a certain proportion of average joes who have little to gain either way and that frightens me more than any conspiracy theory

The problem with JHJ is the repetitive diatribe which is just dull and uninteresting, for as much as JHJ feels he is enlightening us there are a significant number of people who would rather he stopped at one post and then move on, which is "normal*" behavior for forums.

*At least one basket of ironing in use of the word Normal.

No one likes to be told they are stupid.

Which is what a lot of people seem to be telling JHJ

Apologies if it comes across as me telling folk they're stupid, that certainly isn't my aim...

I'm trying to provide information that isn't generally publicized to research for yourself, to make your own mind up

Though I regularly get ribbed for it, 'do your own research' is meant in good spirit...

JHJ, in the spirit of acceptance? (if that's the right word) I for one wouldn't want you to stop (not for a minute do I think I've any influence anyway)

I enjoy your posts I enjoy reading the articles you post, and the debate they spark. More power to you.

And having seen some of your photos; you appear to be a kick-ass rider. I'd love to be able to jump like you. 😀

No one likes to be told they are stupid.
Which is what a lot of people seem to be telling JHJ

Yeah I think this what galls me..

JHJ is showing a genuine interest and is willing to find explanations for the things he believes may be happening, where his detractors just give it 'no no no no no la la la la no no no no' like naughty kids who can't have a lolly 😆

sheeple

If it looks like a duck....

MI5 silenced TJ? Jeeeez.

JHJ is showing a genuine interest and willing into finding explanations for the things he believes may be happening, where his detractors just give it 'no no no no no la la la la no no no no' like naughty kids who can't have a lolly

Generally he gets people using logic and reasoning and debunking his theories as not having any evidence to back them up.

There is very little of what you describe.

In fact the only time I see it, it's coming in the other direction. A direct question about a claim, is avoided completely by asking another loosely related question.

There is a perfect example on this page.

There is a perfect example on this page.

Yes there is but that doesn't give people the green light to go steaming in.

I have had my say, so will leave it alone. Good day gentleman.

Thank you very much nick, very nice of you to say so... shows you've done your research 😉 I can get a bit agitated at times, but (I like to think) my heart's in the right place.

Did a jump yesterday that scared the crap outta me... was freshly built, with a damp run in that you had to carve into... needed loads of speed to clear the double and to get enough speed, you'd be drifting down the run in... it was rad, but took me a good while to get the kahunas to send it.

Seem to remember a pic of you sending a rad rock line which was impressive.

Anyhow, back on topic, look into Jeb Bush and Huffman aviation~ it could be bollox, but I've yet to read anything wholly debunking it.

To answer the original question in this thread:

"Idris Elba" is an anagram of "B Disraeli"
Benjamin Disraeli [url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/****stan/8488188/Osama-bin-Laden-dead-Abbottabad-named-after-British-Victorian-army-hero.html ]went to school with Gen Sir James Abott[/url] one of the principal secret agents of the "Great Game" in Afghanistan and other Central Asian countries.
Abbottabad, ****stan is named after Sir James
Osama Bin Laden was killed in Abbottabad

That is genius.... 😆

Local rumours indicate that the plane crash was a genuine accident. The plane was over Laden.

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Yes there is but that doesn't give people the green light to go steaming in.

Of course it does.

It's a discussion forum. It's exactly what it's here for, discussion.

I've got as much right to voice my opinion on what JHJ writes, as you have got to voice your opinion on what I write.

You don't however, get to tell me I'm not allowed to write anything at all, unless it's in agreement with him.

Moreover,

There's a criminally hyphenated "report-post" link under every post where JHJ can, well, report any posts he feels are offensive or otherwise unacceptable.

Off the top of my head I don't think he's ever exercised this right, so I can only conclude that he is in fact not bothered (or upset, angry or feeling bullied) by the discussions thus far.

I will attempt to step in if things get unpleasant, and can but assume my moderator colleagues would do likewise. But I think it's a bad idea to start censoring people on the back of someone else being offended on the behalf of others who aren't, in fact, offended at all. That's a slippery slope indeed.

We're all adults here (for some value of), I'd like to believe that we can hold a civilised debate without us having to delete half of it 'just in case'. Ie, play nicely please.

I can only conclude that he is in fact not bothered (or upset, angry or feeling bullied) by the discussions thus far

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