[Closed] Time for an anti PC rant!

I agree there is far to much sport on telly that I'm not interested in. It has nothing to do with gender though.

Cougar - Moderator

You saw the recent Mumsnet thread we linked to here, right? For your convenience:

Cougar, I don't sexually harass women, nor do I know anyone in my group of friends and acquaintances, or even in my fairly wide and vague group of FB friends who I would consider to be capable of sexual assault. Mumsnet is a big forum and a thread with 30? 50? Contributors does not an epidemic make.

Men aren't monsters, we don't live in the 1800s, women aren't oppressed in this society, I'm not geetee and we're not doing this again 😕

It is game played under combined rules so a hybrid of Shinty and Hurling - hence they are using different sticks - I have wondered for some time what the differences between the two games were, so was interested in seeing a game of shinty, having seen a few hurling games - I was severely disappointed.

Brexshit expained.

Sadly JimJam, everything you say is true. Do me a favour and don't reply to this message. I already have you down as an odious little man and you don't need to do anything more to prove this.

GrahamS, you've made quite a leap there. Not what I was saying at all.

Cougar, I don't sexually harass women, nor do I know anyone in my group of friends and acquaintances, or even in my fairly wide and vague group of FB friends who I would consider to be capable of sexual assault.

Nor me. Doesn't mean they don't though, or it doesn't happen. How would I know?

I didn't say it's an "epidemic," but to suggest that it's not a problem is, well, problematic. That thread isn't just talking about one-off occurrences. On the OP's second post she says, [i]"That said, I can count [b]hundreds of times[/b] I’ve had inappropriate comments, “cheeky” gropes, experiences of being made to feel the least relevant person in room when I was the most experienced."[/i] (emphasis mine). And I'm sorry, but "once" is too often.

Anyway, I don't want to derail the thread, I'm going to go make food.

jimjam, without wanting to drag this light-hearted thread in that direction (as we've had more than enough of that recently) I'd suggest a selection bias there. Perhaps instead of asking [i]"Do I know anyone who could harass women or commit sexual assault?"[/i] you should ask [i]"Do I know anyone who has suffered harassment or sexual assault?"[/i]

mefty: interesting, will have to investigate the differences some day myself. I thought they were very similar.

"Do I know anyone who has suffered harassment or sexual assault?"

It'd be interesting to see some numbers behind that, but I'd wager it's a majority of women (and a surprising percentage of men too for that matter, ever been in a pub with a hen party?). A more pertinent question might be, "do I know any women who haven't?"

Sorry. Food.

I accidentally whacked a colleague in the nuts today. Doing my best to level out the sexual harassment statistics one ball smack at a time

without wanting to drag this light-hearted thread in that direction (as we've had more than enough of that recently)

Quite right. It was only a joke, girls. Stop being so touchy. Only a bit of banter.
Time to sweep it all under the carpet again clearly.

Fanny playing footie eh. Whatever next? Do they do it in sexy outfits?

The Pilot - Member

Sadly JimJam, everything you say is true. Do me a favour and don't reply to this message. I already have you down as an odious little man and you don't need to do anything more to prove this.

Do you a favour? Why's that? So you have to justify your completely misplaced, unprovoked and unfounded ad-hominem insult? Nice way to jump to an unfounded conclusion. Stick your impression of me.

Misogynist/rapist/Trump/Nazi in 5,4,3,2....

Cougar - Moderator

I didn't say it's an "epidemic," but to suggest that it's not a problem is, well, problematic.

Cougar it's a 6 page thread and at a glance I can see one instance of this pervasive societal level sexual harrasment involved a 14 year old girl being pestered for sex by her 15 year old boyfriend, another woman being shouted at for bad parking and another being told to smile by a "builder" who was staring at her.

While none of those things is right, or correct they don't amount to a culture of abuse and misogyny. Every thread on this forum that brings up this issue (of which there are many) is negatively pre-loaded from the get go with the assumption that we live in a patriarchal hell for women. Like the TDF Girls thread I suggest we all go and ask or wives how much sexual harassment they suffered today, or how much they care to watch women's football and take it from there.

Struggling to understand your point The Pilot.

You still seem to be making a rather massive leap to me... and I think I'm on your side!

mefty: interesting, will have to investigate the differences some day myself. I thought they were very similar.

It was implied in the commentary you can't use your hand in Shinty whereas you can in Hurling and obviously the sticks are different otherwise I wouldn't have noticed.

Misogynist/rapist/Trump/Nazi in 5,4,3,2....

The worst kind of Trump Nazi 🙁

But you gotta punch them when you see them!

Especially if they are female.

The Scots took a good game and made a bollix of it. Like they did with the Gaelic language. 😀

Jamie - Member

Especially if they are female.

Only if they identify as non binary gender queer.

GrahamS, it's you who's making the leap, not me.

Jimjam, I think you need to seek professional help.

R4 covered this earlier this week, men not allowing their wives or girlfriends to play football, others turning up just to ogle women in shorts with their legs out, falling over and getting muddy. Totally failing to appreciate the skill, effort and competitive element. I was shocked.

Oh no wait... it was their WW1 set drama, Home Front. You know, from 100 years ago. Nice to see some on here still behave like it's 1917.

The Pilot - Member

Jimjam, I think you need to seek professional help.

Could you recommend a plumber? But how did you know the toilet in my 6th bathroom wasn't flushing correctly?

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Could you recommend a doctor, OLMJimjam? You would surely know that I would crack a rib with that hilarious comment.

The Pilot - Member

Could you recommend a doctor, OLMJimjam? You would surely know that I would crack a rib with that hilarious comment.

What's your point? What are you trying to say? What justification have you for your earlier comments? What's wrong with my mental health? Why am I "an odious little man"? How tall are you? Do you have an opinion? Can you back it up?

mefty - Member

mefty: interesting, will have to investigate the differences some day myself. I thought they were very similar.

It was implied in the commentary you can't use your hand in Shinty whereas you can in Hurling and obviously the sticks are different otherwise I wouldn't have noticed.

What's your point? What are you trying to say? What justification have you for your earlier comments? What's wrong with my mental health? Why am I "an odious little man"? How tall are you? Do you have an opinion? Can you back it up?

Lol! You funny little (or big) thing, OL/BMJimjam!

[quote=GrahamS ]jimjam, without wanting to drag this light-hearted thread in that direction (as we've had more than enough of that recently) I'd suggest a selection bias there. Perhaps instead of asking "Do I know anyone who could harass women or commit sexual assault?" you should ask "Do I know anyone who has suffered harassment or sexual assault?"

Indeed - I'm not sure why the thread has to be dragged in that direction, but somebody I know well commented on FB about the amount of harassment she's been on the receiving end of - she's somebody I trust implicitly, and I can't believe she's doing anything special to attract such harassment, which leads me to suspect it happens to the vast majority of women.

Anyway back on topic, this seems the sort of thing which should happen in more countries: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/oct/07/norway-football-pay-male-female-internationals-equally

Did it occur to the OP that Men's football was probably crap to watch 50 years ago? Give us women a chance to catch up on the skills level, we're a few decades behind!!!

The Pilot - Member

Lol! You funny little (or big) thing, OL/BMJimjam!

Ah you have no point but you thought you'd bravely step up and insult someone you didn't know (and their mental health) based on no information and no experience presumably to ingratiate yourself to a group of internet strangers. Brave.

Completely irrelevant and completely tangentially I'll just take this opportunity to remind everyone that Harvey Weinstein was a left wing darling and well known champion of women's rights.

GrahamS - Member

jimjam, without wanting to drag this light-hearted thread in that direction (as we've had more than enough of that recently) I'd suggest a selection bias there. Perhaps instead of asking "Do I know anyone who could harass women or commit sexual assault?" you should ask "Do I know anyone who has suffered harassment or sexual assault?"

Graham, sorry I missed your post. I would agree that there is some degree of selection bias in terms of most right thinking people not choosing friends and acquaintances who aren't sexually abusive - how could there not be. Furthermore I think it's probably safe to assume that most men of our age are going to have much larger male freind groups than female and so any sample groups they draw from based along gender lines would be heavily skewed.

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women aren't oppressed in this society

pre-loaded from the get go with the assumption that we live in a patriarchal hell for women.

I suggest we all go and ask or wives how much sexual harassment they suffered today.

Are we down to the usual last four again?

Back 4? I thought we were playing 5 3 1 today?

Junkyard - lazarus

EDIT Obvious troll is obvious

C'mon Junkyard, you're better than a troll.

Are we down to the usual last four again?

The gang is all here!

....and all male.

Completely irrelevant and completely tangentially I'll just take this opportunity to remind everyone that Harvey Weinstein was a left wing darling and well known champion of women's rights.

What's your point, caller?

Jimmy Savile was a well known champion of children's charities. Remind me, how did that pan out?

you're better than a troll.

I know you are but what I am

Deary me

.and all male

Cougar - Moderator

Completely irrelevant and completely tangentially I'll just take this opportunity to remind everyone that Harvey Weinstein was a left wing darling and well known champion of women's rights.

What's your point, caller?

When people start massively over compensating for something it might suggest an ulterior motive and/or guilt?

You've got me there, OL/BMJimjam. Bang to rights! You've seen right through me. Sir, I salute you!

As for HW, I think we can all agree that he is the definition of a

champion of women's rights

I'm off to bask in my new ingratiated status now.

 

Junkyard - lazarus

you're better than a troll.

even your insults are of playground standard

I admire your intelligence and your courage.

Don’t forget Rolf and his front of caring for sick animals. I bet he kicked puppies just to get more authentic ‘cute puppy crying’ shots for the camera, the sick bastard.

The Scots took a good game and made a bollix of it. Like they did with the Gaelic language.

You want to see what the English did to rugby. They don't even use the severed head of their enemies any more!

wilburt - Member
Are we down to the usual last four again?

Sad. But true.

When people start massively over compensating for something it might suggest an ulterior motive and/or guilt?

Sure, which is what I was saying. Though now you're appearing to suggest that because someone isn't openly a massive misogynist, they're clearly a rapist?

People can present any image they like in public. This could be because they're manipulative bastards, or because they're decent human beings. Who's to know? The ones who are openly neanderthals, at least they're easy to spot. Again, what's your point? If you're not implying what I just said then it's just whataboutery.

Personally, what I think is sad but true, is that people feel the need to start threads such as these in the first place.

Indeed.

Absolutely nothing against women....I have three daughters and wife

Is quickly becoming the misogynist's "I'm not racist, but"

gerti - Member
Did it occur to the OP that Men's football was probably crap to watch 50 years ago? Give us women a chance to catch up on the skills level, we're a few decades behind!!!

Have you seen Clare Balding's documentary When Football Banned Women? Offers a different perspective on the idea that women's football is playing catch up with the men's game.

Cougar - Moderator

now you're appearing to suggest that because someone isn't openly a massive misogynist, they're clearly a rapist?

I don't believe that I was, what I was implying was that someone who insists on a hyperbolic fake reality probably has an agenda.

If you're not implying what I just said then it's just whataboutery.

Sometimes whataboutery is whataboutery, other times it's context.

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I always assumed that in these matches the Scots were playing shinty and the Irish were playing hurling.

It was certainly the implication they played combined rules; like the Aussies and Irish do for Gaelic Football/AFL. DD will no doubt pop up to brag about how the amateur Irish frequently beat the professional aussies.

Oh no wait... it was their WW1 set drama, Home Front. You know, from 100 years ago. Nice to see some on here still behave like it's 1917.

Like Graham S said previously about another poster this is unfair. It is perfectly reasonable to argue that ratings should be a more important factor to the BBC that its public service remit and therefore they should focus on what's popular. Afterall its an argument the BBC has internally, by all accounts, continuously. Whilst I don't agree, it is not an unreasonable position.

Likewise watching women's sport is a personal thing. I can understand why football aficionados might not enjoy watching the women's game as to my untutored eye, there is a large difference in relative level. However, the cricket the women batsman play is much closer to the game played professionally by men when I was young to that of the modern day player. Because the bowling is slower you can actually see the ball if you are watching side on live.

I would encourage people to watch it, especially live it is dirt cheap, they may get incites they didn't anticipate. However if they don't enjoy it, don't judge them.

The Pilot - Member

Personally, what I think is sad but true, is that people feel the need to start threads such as these in the first place.

Cougar - Moderator

Indeed.

Read between the lines and the OP isn't about women's football it's about national broadcasters making decisions to create or construct a false normal.

What kind of society are we trying to construct and how do we go about it?

[quote=jimjam ]When people start massively over compensating for something it might suggest an ulterior motive and/or guilt?

Just think what Princess Di must have been like in private.

aracer - Member

jimjam » When people start massively over compensating for something it might suggest an ulterior motive and/or guilt?

Just think what Princess Di must have been like in private.

Alright, sorry, When [s]people[/s] men start massively over compensating for something it might suggest an ulterior motive and/or guilt?

I see your sneaky mod powers 😉

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I was implying was that someone who insists on a hyperbolic fake reality probably has an agenda.

Fake people are dishonest? Insightful.

How do you know whether it's fake? That's the rub.

it's about national broadcasters making decisions to create or construct a false normal.

How is women playing sports abnormal? That's a nonsense, it's like arguing that because football is more popular they should never mention the rugby.

I wonder how many people are fans of women's football (or would be given the opportunity) compared to say Accrington Stanley? Which are you more likely to see on TV? And the OP isn't complaining about coverage but the fact that it's even being [i]mentioned.[/i] Sheesh, think about that.

Diversity is a [i]good[/i] thing. Football fandom in this country is like a cult, let's find out who won the show jumping and the mountain biking and get the UK ice hockey scores up there too.

Cougar - Moderator

it's about national broadcasters making decisions to create or construct a false normal.

How is women playing sports abnormal? That's a nonsense, it's like arguing that because football is more popular they should never mention the rugby.

C'mon Cougar, I wasn't sayin that women playing sport was abnormal, I was reffering to the op and his observation about women's football.

I wonder how many people are fans of women's football (or would be given the opportunity) compared to say Accrington Stanley? Which are you more likely to see on TV? And [b]the OP isn't complaining about coverage but the fact that it's even being mentioned. Sheesh, think about that.[/b]

Is the op complaining because it's being mentioned or the fact that it's being mentioned on national tv despite its relative obscurity? Let's not play dumb.

Diversity is a good thing.

Is it? Why? How much? From where? Asking for a friend.

Football fandom in this country is like a cult, let's find out who won the show jumping and the mountain biking and get the UK ice hockey scores up there too.

No, lets not.

Is the op complaining because it's being mentioned or the fact that it's being mentioned on national tv despite its relative obscurity? Let's not play dumb.

That's [i]precisely [/i]why it should be mentioned.

Have you seen Clare Balding's documentary When Football Banned Women? Offers a different perspective on the idea that women's football is playing catch up with the men's game.

Of course not. It was presented by Clare Balding.

As an aside, can we ban Educator until he actually pays for some stock images.

Same...old...names...posting...the...same...old...OPINIONS

Whereas you, glasgowdan, have put ... in your post. Bravo!

Of course not. It was presented by Clare Balding.

Care to explain, Jamie?

[quote=glasgowdan ]Same...old...names...posting...the...same...old...OPINIONS

Thankfully that sort of comment never ever happens ever [ Dont read the thread whatever you do ]

Care to explain, Jamie?

I presume he is not a big fan.

I did watch it, I thought it polemical and the arguments presented weren't entirely persuasive. Although the FA's attitude was unnecessarily inflexible.

Care to explain, Jamie?

I don't like Clare Balding as a presenter.

I am Mystic Meg

I have zero interest in wendyball, however, on the odd occasion when there’s been a game played by actual Wendy’s, I’ve really enjoyed watching a game played with skill and passion by people who aren’t a bunch of grossly overpaid primadonnas.
I also enjoy watching the women’s rugby, although I enjoy a good game of rugby regardless of the gender playing.
Any sport, played with real skill and absolute passion for it is worth watching, I really don’t care a damn about the gender.

If it was as simple as that, I don't believe you would have felt the need to mention it.
I mean, the post wasn't directed at you and you had noting constructive to say on the matter and the thread has nothing to do with Clare Balding.
But I'll let you keep up the pretence because I'm off to bed now.

Of I’m not mistaken, there was a combined rules series earlier in November which Australia won. Not sure how seriously it’s taken these days. I don’t follow t much - only hearing results on Twitter. I remember the first few times they did it properly - maybe back in the 80s? Crikey, it was proper murder-ball. The refs struggled to keep any kind of control. Again, IIRC, in those days you had one test in one code, one in the other and one combined. The single code tests were hilarious (to watch - a different matter for the players).

I think over the years, it’s been pretty even and closely contested.

But I'll let you keep up the pretence because I'm off to bed now.

I'm not sure you should go to bed while subversives like Jamie are around.

Is this like the conspiricy theory threads to identify all the nutter or just part of the STW Christmas Bingo

CountZero - Member
I have zero interest in wendyball,

Another rib gone, mefty. Worth it though for such a great laugh.

You have my sympathy, especially as you must have torn a hamstring when you leaped to your conclusions.

[quote=The Pilot ]But I'll let you keep up the pretence because I'm off to bed now.

That's not allowed

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Haha...some great posts on here! I need the 'that escalated quickly gif! 🙂

There does appear to be some confusion though, I like watching minority sport... lets face it MTB is exactly that, but you don't see it reported on BBC Sport reports. Its an entirely sexist process, that says you must have female sport regardless of its popularity.

Equality and sexism are not synonyms, you great roaster.

Cougar - Moderator

Is the op complaining because it's being mentioned or the fact that it's being mentioned on national tv despite its relative obscurity? Let's not play dumb.

That's precisely why it should be mentioned.

Cougar - Moderator

Equality and sexism are not synonyms, you great roaster.

So should all sports be treated equally in all facets of life? Should we categorise sports and sports broadcasting by how oppressed and marginalised the competitors are?

lets face it MTB is exactly that, but you don't see it reported on BBC Sport reports. Its an entirely sexist process, that says you must have female sport regardless of its popularity.

Thankfully I'm living somewhere where sport is well reported regardless and for who plays. The women's ashes series that has just finished sold bugger all tickets last time around, this year 30,000 were sold over the event its significant and your need to knock those events is sad. Reporting on them isn't sexism its the right thing to do.

mikewsmith - Member

There was a report on every wc dh on the BBC sport website this year. The BBC went off and did a segment with Rachel Atherton before hardline this year.

The website and the news are not comparable in terms of reach or the mechanism of delivery. The underlying issue is that a national broadcaster has a blatant political bias and they are making obvious fumbling attempts to manipulate opinion.

Like it or not, a society needs liberalism and conservatism to function. There needs to be balance. When you piss down people's backs and tell them it's raining you alienate them - if you alienate them you drive them elsewhere. The left has decided that political correctness is a sacred cow and anyone who violates this will be attacked. Instead of debate we've got slurs - ie the OP here being labeled ape, neanderthal and compared to Harvey Weinstein, (oh and I'm odious with mental health issues) for questioning the broadcaster. Believe it or not this is not the way to change minds and engage in debate, instead it just makes people double down.

The fact that the BBC are shoving "news" about fringe sports because they feature women is just a transparent move, especially through the lens of an mma fan - one of the biggest sports in the world which they barely acknowledge even exists. Oh and one that had a British World Champion up until three weeks ago, oh and one where women headline massive international shows watched by millions, oh and a sport where the bantamweight champion is an openly gay women. Nothing to see there though.