Time, anyone watch ...
 

[Closed] Time, anyone watch it?

30 Posts
25 Users
0 Reactions
88 Views
Posts: 13356
Free Member
Topic starter
 

Pretty true to life actually, speaking from experience that is.
Worth a watch anyway.

 
Posted : 23/06/2021 10:23 pm
Posts: 5128
Full Member
 

Great drama, superb acting, really enjoyed it. It paints a pretty damning picture of the prison system, but that is pretty much how I imagine it to be. I definitely get the impression there are a lot of people in there who would be better off in mental health care and who will come out more damaged than when they went in. Were/are you incarcerated or employed in the system?

 
Posted : 23/06/2021 10:33 pm
Posts: 1554
Free Member
 

Was hooked.

Two brilliant performances (at least).

 
Posted : 23/06/2021 10:34 pm
Posts: 6069
Free Member
 

Yeah great series, felt really nervy whilst watching it, been in plenty of prisons with work, always found them very oppressive even when only newly built and empty.

 
Posted : 23/06/2021 10:39 pm
Posts: 13102
Full Member
 

Interesting essel,I remember some of the stuff you used to post when you were in the thick of it. Always sounded like a tough gig.

 
Posted : 23/06/2021 10:39 pm
Posts: 31808
Free Member
 

There was a thread the other day and everyone was waiting for your opinion essel

 
Posted : 23/06/2021 10:39 pm
Posts: 13356
Free Member
Topic starter
 

Were/are you incarcerated or employed in the system?

Employed, thankfully!

There was a thread the other day and everyone was waiting for your opinion essel

I missed that!

Although I’m out of it now I I’m still in touch with guys still in the job.

I once asked the manager of the mental health care team what % of UK prisoners had MH problems. The answer was a staggering 85-90%.

Just about the only thing I picked up on in the 1st episode was how Mark was in a double cell with Bernard, seemed odd, where I worked there’d be a Cell Sharing Risk Assesment done on reception. Self harmers rarely, if ever, shared a cell.

Great acting by everyone in the (far too short) series!

 
Posted : 23/06/2021 11:20 pm
Posts: 20336
Free Member
 

Yeah great series, felt really nervy whilst watching it,

Agree- especially the second episode

 
Posted : 23/06/2021 11:24 pm
 DezB
Posts: 54367
Free Member
 

Ooh, I remembered that it was Esselgruntfuttock who worked in the prison biz!
Here it wuz
https://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/psa-compo-fans

 
Posted : 23/06/2021 11:28 pm
Posts: 29577
Full Member
 

Best thing on TV so far this year?

 
Posted : 23/06/2021 11:35 pm
Posts: 6997
Free Member
 

I missed that!

As you can see, I proper nailed the thread title...

 
Posted : 24/06/2021 3:45 pm
Posts: 13356
Free Member
Topic starter
 

No bloody wonder I missed it!

 
Posted : 24/06/2021 6:15 pm
Posts: 953
Free Member
 

Best thing on TV so far this year?

Got to be a contender? Acting was superb, from a brilliant cast.

 
Posted : 24/06/2021 6:29 pm
Posts: 2978
Free Member
 

Hi essel how's things...the podcast banged up was recommended on here and is brilliant. 26 episodes some are better than others, the presenters are really good. Won't give a spoiler alert but you can Google them, I still can't believe they got custodial sentences for their crimes, and neither can they.

 
Posted : 25/06/2021 7:25 am
Posts: 13356
Free Member
Topic starter
 

Hi essel how’s things

Good thanks Neil, thanks for that, I’ll have a look.

 
Posted : 25/06/2021 9:44 am
Posts: 902
Free Member
 

I also thought it was excellent. Definitely highlighted some serious issues with incarceration as a form of punishment.

 
Posted : 25/06/2021 10:04 am
Posts: 12041
Free Member
 

Genuine question for @esselgruntfuttock :

I once asked the manager of the mental health care team what % of UK prisoners had MH problems. The answer was a staggering 85-90%.

What's considered a MH problem? Obviously there are going to be some very ill people in prisons, that's clear, but does that MH figure include people getting depressed after getting locked up? (Which I'd assume is a fairly normal reaction!)

 
Posted : 25/06/2021 10:14 am
Posts: 1169
Full Member
 

+1 for the Banged Up podcast. It’s really enjoyable.
Time was also excellent IMO, as mentioned by everyone.

 
Posted : 25/06/2021 10:20 am
Posts: 1508
Free Member
 

brilliant mini-series and a bit of harrowing watch at times, especially the powelessness to be at the mercy of others it got across.

was filmed at the prison (Shrewsbury) where my grandad was a prison officer for 35 years, i used to sit on the car park wall with my gran waiting for him to finish work or take his lunch up as i was too scared to go in behind the big gates! after the prison closed they used to door tours there for a while, went on one and it's a grimly chilling place. i also went to the junior school that backed directly on to the prison with the cell windows looking over the playground, you could always hear if the the residents were getting a little fractious

 
Posted : 25/06/2021 10:34 am
Posts: 2582
Full Member
 

As others have said, great mini series and acting, glad I didn't skip over it.

 
Posted : 25/06/2021 10:43 am
Posts: 13356
Free Member
Topic starter
 

What’s considered a MH problem? Obviously there are going to be some very ill people in prisons, that’s clear, but does that MH figure include people getting depressed after getting locked up? (Which I’d assume is a fairly normal reaction!)

No idea, I didn’t ask that but I think she was saying that a big % came into prison with MH problems.

 
Posted : 25/06/2021 10:45 am
Posts: 12041
Free Member
 

No idea, I didn’t ask that but I think she was saying that a big % came into prison with MH problems.

Yeah, I can certainly understand that. And clearly a prison is never going to be a place that favours mental health. Just that 90% struck me as a huge number, way higher than what I would have expected. Which led to my question as to what was considered a mental health problem.

 
Posted : 25/06/2021 10:50 am
Posts: 2356
Full Member
 

I thought it was excellent. I was going to say enjoyed but then reconsidered as it was difficult viewing throughout.

I liked that they also brought in to the storyline the challenges of literacy amongst prisoners. I did quite a bit of work with the Probation Service in my last job and it was a real challenge with probationers so no doubt the same with those serving custodial sentences.

According to this Guardian article, 50% of prisoners in the UK are functionally illiterate, so half of the 85,000 people currently incarcerated have a reading age of 11 or lower with 20% falling well short of that mark.

https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2017/jun/15/reading-for-freedom-life-changing-scheme-dreamt-up-by-prison-pen-pals-shannon-trust-action-for-equity-award?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 
Posted : 25/06/2021 10:56 am
Posts: 0
Free Member
 

Like others I found it hard to watch. I didn't enjoy watching it but enjoyed having watched it, a rare great piece of TV.

 
Posted : 25/06/2021 2:20 pm
Posts: 1890
Full Member
 

yup, cracking couple of hours of TV. Love a bit of Sean Bean!

A good reminder of why you want to avoid prison at all costs. The snooker balls in a sock.... savage! And the home made napalm 🙁

 
Posted : 25/06/2021 2:27 pm
Posts: 2175
Free Member
 

Just watched all 3 parts this morning. Like others have said, it's not an easy watch, but it's insightful and thought provoking.

 
Posted : 25/06/2021 3:16 pm
Posts: 904
Full Member
 

Anything on the telly associated with Jimmy McGovern is going to be good
Anything on the telly with Stephen Graham in it is going to be good
Anything with both of them involved is going to be outstanding!

 
Posted : 26/06/2021 5:59 pm
 four
Posts: 597
Free Member
 

@esselgruntfuttock

Something I’ve wondered is why are prisoners allowed kettles in their cells when ‘jugging’ is a known and common practice? Sure people like tea but are the risks associated worth the risk?

Secondly, razors - often melted into an old toothbrush etc, is there again a need to be clean shaven that outweighs such an easily available weapon.

Human rights? Possibly? But a massive risk that is abused?

I understand that anything can be a weapon - phone cards were sharpened on walls and used to slash etc, pool balls / large batteries in a sock etc - but blades and scalding water is surely a risk too far?

I know blades and other things get brought in, but the kettle and razor seem to me to be simple things to eliminate?

This is not a criticism, just genuine questions - I certainly wouldn’t want to work in a prison that’s for sure.

 
Posted : 26/06/2021 9:56 pm
Posts: 920
Free Member
 

The snooker balls in a sock…. savage!

As demonstrated by a very young Ray Winstone over 40 years ago

 
Posted : 27/06/2021 10:50 am
Posts: 36
Free Member
 

The 90% refers to all mental health issues, from mild anxiety up to schizophrenia. There is also a significant number of the prison population that has a dual diagnosis (mental health and substance misuse issues) or a personality disorder. There is a wealth of evidence that a prisoner’s health is significantly worse than those in the community (whether that’s physical, mental or even dental health), to the extent that you are classed as being an older person at 50 in the prison system, rather than 60 in the community. There are a number of national initiatives underway to try and reduce the number of people with mental health issues being given a custodial sentence (where this would be appropriate) diverting them into community treatment programmes; but the criminal justice system can be a slow ship to turn round. I thought the programme was excellent, although a prison officer wouldn’t have completed the healthcare screen, a nurse would and I’d like to think they would be much more caring in their approach than the programme showed!

 
Posted : 27/06/2021 2:22 pm
Posts: 13356
Free Member
Topic starter
 

Something I’ve wondered is why are prisoners allowed kettles in their cells when ‘jugging’ is a known and common practice? Sure people like tea but are the risks associated worth the risk?

Secondly, razors – often melted into an old toothbrush etc, is there again a need to be clean shaven that outweighs such an easily available weapon.

Human rights? Possibly? But a massive risk that is abused?

I understand that anything can be a weapon – phone cards were sharpened on walls and used to slash etc, pool balls / large batteries in a sock etc – but blades and scalding water is surely a risk too far?

I know blades and other things get brought in, but the kettle and razor seem to me to be simple things to eliminate?

The wings I was on used to have water boilers on each landing. Prisoners must have access to hot drinks yes? Bangup was a nightmare as you'd have 180 prisoners wanting to fill up their flasks with hot water to see them through till next morning. Plus the boilers would conk out & works were stretched to get them fixed quickly. So they were taken out & kettles issued. Doesn't matter whether the scalding water comes from a kettle or a recently filled flask & having kettles were easier to manage at lockup.

Razors. If prisoners weren't allowed razors they'd be all walking round looking like something out of ZZ Top. The actual rules are that when a prisoner wants a new razor he should hand in the old one. Never happens.
Tins of tuna in a sock make a good alternative weapon too.
It's a very very hard job when the staffing levels in UK prisons have been decimated by the tories (mainly Grayling cos he was justice secretary at the time when a new staff system was brought in) & even more difficult to explain to anyone who hasn't done the job.
I'm not great at explaining things anyway!

 
Posted : 27/06/2021 10:03 pm