[Closed] throwing snowballs....

Sweet cold justice dealt beautifully!! Imo 😉

Justice. Perfectly reasonable so long as all you did was humiliate him / get him soggy with the snow.

Hurting or injuring him would have been wrong

Back under yer bridge you

no. this is heavy handed!

I allowed myself to get carried away when my car had clods of ice thrown at it and attempted to spray the scrotes with slushy roost. Your approach sounds a little heavy handed but I have no real issue with it.

Assault?

I agree with al. They assaulted you and you were right to defend yourself.

so long as you did'nt force him to eat yellow snow after rugby tackling him to the ground that is perfectly acceptable imho.

Its not self defence - the OPs actions occurred after the assault from the lad and is therefore an assault in its own right - perhpas with mitigation

However morally I see no harm in a bit of do as you would be done by. I have thrown a scare into kids on a couple of similar occasions. Just a scare will do - its nice to see them suddenly go from cocky to scared.

..... I walked away and was met with more snow balls.
Turned around and the little tool was ready with another snow ball.
I packed a snow ball, walked back, rammed a snow ball in the face of his mate, pushed and grabbed [i]him[/i] by the collar and told him in no uncertain terms to drop the snow ball.

And that's pretty much it.

I walked away to the sound of verbal abuse. All this from a bunch of teeny boppers.

Kids these days eh?

Problem is these days little ****ers will stick you with a knife over such incidents!

some youth hits you with a snowball and it's assault? get a grip!!
I'd love to see that though HTTP, freeze! drop the snowball muthafunker!

seriously? Even as a kid that would have been out of order.

If my kid threw a snowball at someone and that someone threw him to the ground, I'd be having a word with plod. Equally if my kid was the one who threw some smaller kid to the ground, i'd be having words with him.

Just 'cos you're too unco-ordinated to hit him with a snowball you resort to attacking him.

In the "rules of snowball fighting", it is fair game to throw snow at folk, and the thrower should expect some retaliation, including a "snowman", ie to be dragged to the ground ideally in a drift, and have some snow stuffed down your neck. It was great fun and largely harmless. Iceballs and rock cores were bang out of order though.

[i]My[/i] children would never throw a snow ball at a stranger in the first place.

And I'm actually very good at snow balling 🙂

[url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/dec/02/travel-chaos-uk-snow ]From today's Grauniad[/url]:

police in Nottingham urged the public not to make emergency calls about snowballing after control room switchboards received 120 calls complaining about snowball throwing in a 24-hour period.

Apparently heavy handed is dialling 999 because someone threw a snowball at you. 😯

OP I'd say it is assualt, over the top, and no mitigation at all.

You need to chill out. A few well aimed snowballs would have made the point.

@CharlieMungus : your ned child assaults me and I'll have the little runt for assault . . . you need to get your genetically flawed progeny under control rather than defending their antisocial behaviour . . . or are you just another one of the scum nation we seem to be desending into ?

i know wwhat your thinking did he throw 6 snowballs or only 5 and as mine is the biggest snowball in the street and at this range will probably knock your baseball cap clean off you got ask your self the question do i feel lucky...... well do ya scrote

And I'm actually very good at snow balling

Does anyone else see the wrongness in that quote???

And I'm actually very good at snow balling

So why didn't you just throw a snowball at him? Instead of going all Israel on him?

@CharlieMungus : your ned child assaults me and I'll have the little runt for assault . . . you need to get your genetically flawed progeny under control rather than defending their antisocial behaviour . . . or are you just another one of the scum nation we seem to be desending into ?

Assault? Do you mean report it to the police or tell the teacher?

Besides, . Where do you get off calling my child a runt?

CM - maybe I was OTT, maybe I did lose it and maybe I need a bit of more restraint and *anger management*, and maybe there is some regret on my behalf.
These kids had pelted all and sundry including an old guy walking in the opposite direction. These kids aren't doing it because they're looking for new play friends.

It's the total lack of respect.

Throwing a snowball is assualt.

CharlieMungus - you go to the plod because someone throws a scare into your kid? when your kid is assaulting strangers in the street? your kid would be in big trouble as well and if you were a responsible parent you would not want your kid assaulting strangers.

I cannot believe you people think a kid should be free to assault strangers with no comeback - throwing snowballs at a stranger is assault clear and simple.

2 similar situations I have been involved in.

1) riding a motorbike along the road one of a bunch of kids kicks a football at me and hits me.

I u turn the bike, go over to the laughing swaggering kids, grab the one who kicked the ball by the front of the shirt and shout at until he looks scared. Push him off the wall onto his back. The other kids laugh at him. No harm done to him but just maybe he will think twice about doing this again. around 16 yrs old

2) kids threw a water bomb at me and fled on their bikes - I was on mine. I chased them shouting at them until they fled in fear - they were not laughing they suddenly thought that they might get their heads kicked in. Again once I saw they had a scare then I left them alone.

It is unacceptable for kids to think they can assault people and not face any consequences. I don't condone hurting or harming the kid but scaring them - fair game.

I'd have gone back and scared the little darling so much he'd a pissed himself. Physical retaliation is fun but threatening to follow him home and torture his parents to death and the torch the house is much more satisfying. 😀

Throwing snowballs is assault? Well, they needed the riot squad at the primary school then, all the kids were assaulting each other.

But maybe I'm missing the point, perhaps one of you could explain to me why throwing a snowball at someone is assault. I'm happy to change my mind and make sure my kids don't ever throw snowballs at anyone again.

- you go to the plod because someone throws a scare into your kid

No, I go to the plod when someone physically throws my kid to the ground.

your kid would be in big trouble as well

Now my turn...

You let someone assault you without going to the plod?

I'm happy to change my mind and make sure my kids don't ever throw snowballs at anyone again.

it's alright CM you'll know if they do as I'll be knocking at your door with some bolt croppers and a can of petrol 😀

Hah! Bolt cutters don't use petrol! they need electric.

Charlie - at the school its with consent - its a game - to strangers out on the street it is not.

If you cannot understand why kids throwing snowballs at strangers o the street is wrong then how about if they throw stones? Is that wrong?

and now tazzy is assaulting me

[quote=legal dictionary]Generally, the essential elements of assault consist of an act intended to cause an apprehension of harmful or offensive contact that causes apprehension of such contact in the victim.

a stone can actually hurt someone (not just their ego)
Can you see kids playing a game, with consent in school where they throw stones at each other?

yep but your kids threw a theoretical snowball first I was just offering a gardening service to prune some shrubs and mow the lawn with a petrol mower 😀

A snowball can hurt - but that is not the point - it is an assault. No kid should be throwing snowballs at strangers on the street.

it is an assault

Why?

CM- you stooopid

no, you stooopid

read your definition you [posted.

Common assault can be as little as touching someone without their consent. Throwing a snowball at someone clearly is an assault. It could result in real harm as well.

I cannot believe you think it would be acceptable for your kid to throw snowballs at strangers.

no, you stoopid, 100 times no returns........so there!

of course, i read the definition i posted, i just can't see what part of that would apply to a rough 'n' tough mountain biker or a Joe Bloggs. you will neeeed to highlight the point.

Given that you think it is assault, Am I then to think as a law-abiding citizen you would not fail to report a crime and would contact the police if someone throws a snowball at you?

I'm not one of the forum hardmen, but in the winter I don't spend my life 'in apprehension' in case some kids throws a snowball at me.

you will ned to highlight the point.

isn't a ned Scottish slang for a chav? you do have wonderfully appropriate typos 😀

Nevertheless, Assault is clearly about the perception and i guess if you feel threatened by a snowball and think that they may cause you bodily harm, then that's how you feel about it. And i guess if you fear them that much, then in your context, it may well be assault.

But be careful tomorrow, there is more snow forecast and there will be loads of the stuff falling from the sky, maybe put on your helmet, just in case.

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looks like a pussy talking there

monkeychild - Member

And I'm actually very good at snow balling

Does anyone else see the wrongness in that quote???

37?

Personally, I'd just walk on - it's just not worth challenging scrotes these days. If you don't get knifed you'll probably get arrested.

A bloke I know recently got his head smacked in by a teeny tosser for telling him to keep it down outside his house. The bloke is someone I wouldn't mess with myself, but the fearlesness of your average ned these days seems to extend beyond what I would have considered acceptable 'cockyness' in my day.

looks like a pussy talking there

chuckky you have fantastic observational skills for such a sweet little troll 😀

TandemJeremy - Member
1) riding a motorbike along the road one of a bunch of kids kicks a football at me and hits me.

I u turn the bike, go over to the laughing swaggering kids, grab the one who kicked the ball by the front of the shirt and shout at until he looks scared. Push him off the wall onto his back. The other kids laugh at him. No harm done to him but just maybe he will think twice about doing this again. around 16 yrs old

2) kids threw a water bomb at me and fled on their bikes - I was on mine. I chased them shouting at them until they fled in fear - they were not laughing they suddenly thought that they might get their heads kicked in. Again once I saw they had a scare then I left them alone.

Both assaults and IMO it's concerning that you consider these acceptable, proportionate and non-criminal.

I think the point here is that if throwing a snowball is assault (which in most cases I doubt) no copper/Fiscal is EVER going to prosecute anyone for it.

Kids throw snowballs at strangers, I don't think it's a bad thing or a big deal.

i woke mrsconsequence up with a snowball to the face.... is this domestic abuse as it was in the house?

If you snowballed your wife this morning, that's the kind of thing you need to keep to yourself or share on a completely different forum. Unless you have pictures...

Actually Tazzy, not that observant. I only noticed the cat in the picture this morning.

do custard pies count as a lethal weapon now?

TheArtistFormerlyKnownAsSTR - Member

Personally, I'd just walk on - it's just not worth challenging scrotes these days. If you don't get knifed you'll probably get arrested.

Its that attitude that allows the scrotes to get away with it. Its rubbish as well

cynic-al - Member
Both assaults and IMO it's concerning that you consider these acceptable, proportionate and non-criminal.

Clearly an assault in the first case, less clear in the second but also clearly proportionate to the offence. No injury or harm - just a good scare to the scrotes

Throwing snowballs at strangers is also clearly an assault, can be very dangerous and is clearly criminal. I am astonished anyone thinks it is acceptable.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/weather/4447058/Children-throwing-snowballs-in-public-could-be-arrested-or-fined.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/4566688.stm

http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/news/Snowballthrowing-youths-cause-car-crash.953495.jp

I'm not suggesting that throwing snowballs at moving vehicles is ok. It's difficult to judge the driver in such a situation. It could be dangerous. Though some plausible estimation would indicate otherwise.

And none of those articles you cite indicate that throwing of snowballs would be seen as assault. The point being made is that putting stones in them, or throwing 'iceballs' or throwing them at cars may incur the wrath of the law. In fact, the point is made that trying to curb kids throwing snowballs is an over-reaction.

CharlieMungus,

what would your reaction be if said scrotes threw a nice compacted icy snowball right in your wifes face?

Snowball fights are great fun, but only if everyone involved is actually playing. My boy is only two weeks old, but I will tan his hide if I catch him snowballing strangers when he is older. Where do you draw the line? Old people? Disabled?

I got one in the windscreen when driving past the local corned beef island, so as i was in the disco i piled straight over the kerb & 'tried' to run them over, a few fell over and i did actually nearly hit one, they shat themselves, funny as ****.

So when me and the lads fill buckets with snow balls then drive around in a four wheel drive pelting snowballs at people walking the streets, that's ok, right?

TandemJeremy - Member
Clearly an assault in the first case, less clear in the second but also clearly proportionate to the offence. No injury or harm - just a good scare to the scrotes

"clearly proportionate" how on earth have you established that?

If a copper had watched you he'd have a quiet word with the kids ("scrotes"? clear bias!) and a much more stern approach to you.

Of course throwing a snowball CAN be an assault, irrespective of the victim's gender, 🙄 but 99 times out of 100 it's a bit of a laugh and PEOPLE NEED TO LIGHTEN UP.

cynical,

same question to you then.. a nice solid snowball in your wifes face!

just kids having fun?

Clearly proportionate - the kids in both cases they assaulted me first - the football one dangerous as it could have had me off the bike. In return I throw a good scare into them. These were teenagers around 16 - not young children.

Knowing the cops around here I would be very surprised if any action was taken against me - and I would have had the defence of provocation.

I am content with my actions. I didn't punch or hurt either of them. It was one of me with half a dozen of them. I needed to be loud and assertive

IIRC Al you are afraid to use the cyclepaths for fear you might meet a scrote.

There is nothing funny about being hit by a snowball when walking along the road minding your own business. Its a simple assault. Its aniotisocial behaviour and needs all members of the community to enforce the fact it is not acceptrable

Bogstad - how about you frail grandmothers face?

There were 5 or 6 burly teenagers throwing snowballs at people in our street yesterday. I popped up to the loft, out of the velux, prepared some ammunition and let rip. They couldn't work out where it was coming from. Go one of the sods right in the ear with a hard icy ball
😆

what would your reaction be if said scrotes threw a nice compacted icy snowball right in your wifes face?

Iceball - see above

Besides the op, was hit on the (back of the?) head by a snowball. We are talking about snowballs, why are folks talking about stones and iceballs?

Anyway, as i said earlier Assault is all about the perception. So for those of you frightened of snowballs, then yes it is assault. For others, then no. End of. Surely

CharlieM- is everything OK? you seem a little perturbed and not up to your ususl standard of vitriol and banter.

Its aniotisocial behaviour and needs all members of the community to enforce the fact it is not acceptrable

Who are you to decide what others find acceptable or not? Clearly quite a few folks here think it is acceptable.

maybe write

Its aniotisocial behaviour and needs all members of the community to enforce the fact [s]it is not[/s] i do not find it acceptrable

to be honest tazz, your comments about my typos were quite hurtful. I lost some fingers in 'action' a few years back and am quite aware that people often judge me on my typing skill rather than what I have to say.

but to be fair, i thought this was pretty good

Actually Tazzy, not that observant. I only noticed the cat in the picture this morning.

CharlieMungus,

your wife is now in tears and you are scratching around on the ground to make a snowball?!

As I said, it is all good fun when it's you and your mates, but hitting random strangers isn't on. Some people find happy slapping amusing too!

TandemJeremy - Member
Clearly proportionate - the kids in both cases they assaulted me first - the football one dangerous as it could have had me off the bike. In return I throw a good scare into them. These were teenagers around 16 - not young children.

I would have had the defence of provocation.

IIRC Al you are afraid to use the cyclepaths for fear you might meet a scrote.

Bagstard I might be pissed off but I'm not going to go assaulting anyone!

Cm sorry, it's just that having "wok" in a thread about fatties and "ned" in a thread about chavy yobbos was brilliant. I wasn't sure if it was pure chance or pure grand subtle genius. Xx

your wife is now in tears and you are scratching around on the ground to make a snowball?

whilst you're making stuff up, can I have a pony?

s'ok. i get used to it. just hard around this time of year. Anniversary of the event and all that.

It shows you attitude Al - you are so fearful you will not use the cyclepath. I am prepared to stand up for myself and do not live in fear of scrotes.

This colours your attitude to the question in case here.

I think throwing a scare into teenagers behaving antisocially is perfectly reasonable and acceptable - better than wasting police time.

Good luck with the provocation defence, mindreader!

I am prepared to stand up for myself and do [s]not[/s] live in fear of [s]scrotes[/s] snowballs.

My nan makes a wicked snowball glace cherries the lot. And though it'd the gayest drink on the planet I'd never throw one at anyone.

My nan used to like a nice snowball too. I still have no idea what the drink consists of.

Advacat Advocat? and lemonade.