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Its saved us from those bloody electric scooters all over the place.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-50382342
They seem to be running into trouble in many the cities that have them so why is a manufacturer of them so keen to get us to adopt them?
Oh, wait....
I think electric scooters are a great form of transport. Just need to make them okay to use on the road and treat in same way as bicycle.
OK boomer
treat in same way as bicycle
It's ok, I think everyone already treats electric scooters with contempt.
"30mph".
More bollocks form the Beeb. The electric scooters in Paris are limited at 25kmh and the maire is reducing that to 20kmh - 12mph.
So, they are legal in other EU countries but not here. It's almost as if we are a sovereign nation with our own laws, isn't it?
However, e-scooters are not without controversy. They have been involved in a number of traffic accidents, some of which have resulted in fatalities.
Just wait until they hear about cars.
More bollocks form the Beeb.
So the scooters maybe CAN travel that fast, except the local regulations (which we don't yet have) prevent that. Doesn't sound like bollocks to me.
IMO they work well in European cities with nice wide pavements/cycle lanes. In the U.K., not a chance! Either way, they shouldn’t be on the roads at all. The ones I’ve been on didn’t go anywhere near 30mph.
i was in san diego last month and they are considered a real problem there. its the dockless nature of them that means they can and do just get left anywhere.
All the ones on sale in France are restricted to 25kmh just like electric bikes. Even "débridé" they top out at 32kmh - 20mph so I'll persist with bollocks.
It's the Beeb being sensationalist and indulging in anti-something propaganda as usual.
do just get left anywhere.
Literally hundreds end up in the Rhone and Seine becuase people hate them and chuck them in. The same will happen in London. The Thames will require regular scooter fishing operations like the Seine.
They are dockless but the software has geofencing so there are areas you can’t leave them in.
Either way, they shouldn’t be on the roads at all.
Why not? Scooter travelling along at 12mph, person on bike travelling along at 12mph. Both fine in my opinion. They make a great commuting vehicle for short commutes (say 3 miles) where people may not want to ride or leave a bike somewhere but can carry scooter into workplace, onto train etc,.
They are dockless but the software has geofencing so there are areas you can’t leave them in
how does that work? what stops you leaving it anywhere?
As someone who happily relies on a footbike (grown-up kick-scooter) to get urban exercise and visit the shops ... I’m waiting for the hammer to fall. It’s already a fuzzy issue.
Maybe Escooters will properly remove ROW for the analog scooter before Ebikes kill ROW for the analog bicycle.
Cars all the way down.
And there can be areas that are geofenced to drop the speed to 5kph if there is a need.
But.... They are a bloody menace. The whole USP of them is that you pick them up and drop them off where you want to and that means they get left EVERYWHERE. People are supposed to abide by the rules of hire but just ignore the shit out of them. You can barely cycle along a cycle way without some moron using one to come the other way, or an abandoned one right across it, or just covering most of a footway.
I really dislike them.
I'm not a fan of them (despite living in a European city with nice wide pavements/cycle lanes). I can see that they have a lot of positive points but, as is often the case, they are frequently let down by the operator...
So, they are legal in other EU countries but not here. It’s almost as if we are a sovereign nation with our own laws, isn’t it?
Indeed.
IMO we should adopt them as part of the whole transport infrastructure, embrace them, encourage them and make them as available to the mass users who want to get from A-B in a city/town.
The UK is so backward thinking it’s embarrassing... but then we are known as Island Monkeys.
I think you've got you're wires crossed OP, Brexit might be crippling pretty much all legal and regulatory process in the UK now, but once it's done I'm sure Boris will be embarking on as big a programme of de-regulation as he can manage. So I would still fully expect to be mowed down by a half cut fund manager, riding a 'leccy scooter down Oxford St in a couple of years time...
TBF Those scooters only need a nation state to relax their own road traffic reg's and allow their use. The EU didn't mandate death scooters on the streets of Paris or Prague, it's almost as if countries within the EU still have some sort of autonomy to make their own decisions; for example did you ever notice how, despite 40+ years of EU membership, UK motorists still drive on the other side of the road to pretty much everyone else...
But Yeah Brussels are imposing all sorts of Crazy ideas "Against our Will"...
Our Will is against everything, real negative guy don't like him
As usual an inanimate object gets the blame for people breaking rule number 1!
I thought the scooters were great wham I was in Paris over the summer.
I think they're a brilliant idea. Sure, there are going to be accidents and injuries either through malice or incompetence but it's mellowed by the fact that I'm pretty certain that if you hit a pedestrian on a scooter, you're going to come off worst*.
Every journey on a scooter is one less car on the road, or if you're the **** that shouted at me today for "not getting out of the way" when he overtook me on the wrong side of a mini-roundabout, one less bike clogging up roads for the elite drivers.
*This is from the person who invented Scooter Jousting, which simply needs two scooters, golf umbrellas, and beer.
This is from the person who invented Scooter Jousting, which simply needs two scooters, a golf umbrella, and beer.
Two umbrellas would be fairer
how does that work? what stops you leaving it anywhere?
The ones that get "left everywhere" are rented (like a boris bike). You pay via an app. if you leave in a prohibited area you will not be able to end the rental so are still paying. That doesn't stop someone leaving them somewhere stupid but certainly incentivises following the app's rules.
I'd welcome them although not fussed about them being rentable - I'd happily buy one if legal, for 2-3 mile about town trips when its just too easy to take the car, or to hop on the train with and use to reach a destination at the other end.
I’m pretty certain that if you hit a pedestrian on a scooter, you’re going to come off worst*.
I would prefer my ankles/shins not to be impacted by a 30lb slab on wheels, at any speed.
eddiebaby, you do know we haven't left the EU?
Really? I've been keeping my head down in the Boomer Bunker so I may have missed that...
Actually you may want to make that point to Fredrik Hjelm at Sweden's Voi Technology a shared e-scooter firm.
😀 I posted that before I clicked the link, in the grand Singletrackforum tradition. Apologies.
De nada.
3 cheeers for Brexit?
**** off!
**** off!
**** off!
Should cover it.
3 cheeers for Brexit?
* off!
* off!
**** off!Should cover it.
Started not drinking early today mate?
... so why is a manufacturer of them so keen to get us to adopt them?
Why wouldn't they? The purpose of manufacturer is to manufacture and to encourage more designers/inventors whatever to buy as many e-scooters as they wish so long as they can pay. Whether the city let them use is not a concern for manufacturer.
As for the banning e-scooters I think they can ride where ever they wish even on motorway if they want to but if they wish to gamble with their lives it is their choice.