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Did Boris try and get one more game of Sevens in before he left office?
Just put Radio Scotland on and I’ve heard Elbow and now Keane. Must be bad.
Christ, what did she ever do to Radio Scotland?
Yes.
Ditto, I’m a Republican at heart but in terms of how she’s performed the role in the past 7(!) decades, she’s hardly put a foot wrong and I have to respect that.
See I have an issue. The institution that she has been at the helm of for how ever long has protected Andrew and for that reason alone I have an issue with her that I cannot reconcile.
I don't really care if she lives or dies beyond any other 96yearold I've never met.
all work places close and everyone is sent home.
What? That's f***** ridiculous. Even supermarkets and pubs?
I don't wish her dead, but I can't help but think that Britain would be better off without her.
What? That’s f***** ridiculous. Even supermarkets and pubs?
I remember when Diana died most of the pubs closed for the day. I was working in one of the few that didnt.
Do you mean without her mogrim or without the institution?
A long read.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/16/what-happens-when-queen-elizabeth-dies-london-bridge
all work places close and everyone is sent home.
Well that's everyone in hospital buggered then. Oh, and better get your candles out too.
I'm not a massive monarchist but hope it's a comfortable, peaceful end when it comes. I did once meet the Queen - at the age of 6 I handed her a spade to plant a tree at our school.
Reminds me of the last few days with my mother. Seems to suddenly speed up near the end. Near same age and oddly lookalike.
Very traumatic.
Im on the fence about the royal family, but they bring money in to the country.
You'll be gobsmacked when you hear about Versailles...
shame for her family but 96... Good innings if it is that.
Going to be a silly amount of news coverage no doubt.
Not sure I really care.
Camilla Tominy on BBC News, so I've turned thst off - Wychall's in depressingly sombre mood.
You’ll be gobsmacked when you hear about Versailles…
Right? The top ten tourist attractions in the UK are unrelated to the royal family, with the potential use of royal in the name.
Not a massive fan of the royal family, but I wish her all the best, she has been a credit to this country and humanity IMO.
At the end of the day, regardless of title, she is someone's mother and grandmother etc
apparently BBCs cleared their schedule 🙁
New BSL interpreter on BBC news also wearing black
I really struggle to get upset about of really old people moving on, sure it's sad for the family and loved ones but its the natural way of things.
Wouldnt want to wish it on the old dear but if its time its time.
Do you mean without her mogrim or without the institution?
Both. The Queen has a very carefully managed image, which makes the monarchy untouchable. All her flaws (and there are loads) are carefully ignored, she's portrayed as the nation's loveable grandmother, a steady hand, etc, etc. I'm hoping with her death Britain can finally move on from "We won the war" and British exceptionalism, and start to take a more considered and accurate view of its place in the world.
Wychall’s in depressingly sombre mood.
That ghoul has waited his whole life for this
he's ****ing weird
That ghoul has waited his whole life for this
she made Boris and Liz get in a plane
they took separate private jets. Ridiculous.
TBH could the country survive another tory pm selection thing if it fell out the sky with them both in it.
As i understand it – yes, all workplaces are to close when the death of a monarch is anounced
Not all, mine certainly won't.
I really struggle to get upset about of really old people moving on, sure it’s sad for the family and loved ones but its the natural way of things.
Wouldnt want to wish it on the old dear but if its time its time.
This. 96 is a good age by any standard.
Glad, once again, we don't have TV though.
More republican than Royalist, but think it'll be shame when the Queen goes, she's been an ever present in my life, most people in the country today won't remember a different person on the throne. My Dad was 5 when she took the throne. He's 74 now.
End of an ir I guess
I really struggle to get upset about of really old people moving on, sure it’s sad for the family and loved ones but its the natural way of things.
Similarly, I don't understand those (Starmer) calling for her to make a full recovery. To what? Fulll mobility, clean bill of health? She's on death's door in her late nineties... Wish her a good rest.
Like many others I'm not a fan of the monarchy and I wouldn't wish anybody unwell no matter what their situation, however, I'm abivalent as I dont' actually know her as a human.
Not all, mine certainly won’t.
me neither, I’ll be working at the funeral
That ghoul has waited his whole life for this
🤣
Always thought the Queen as a good egg but i can see why folk are pro or anti the monarchy although can't see the value of getting into all that on this thread.
Plenty of famous people in the world from musicians to authors I've never met but, if I've some connection through listening to their music or reading their books, i'd still be sad if they died and i think for a lot of people it will be like that for the Queen having been present in people's lives for so long as the head of state
He must have a black suit and tie on standby.
I assume STW Towers will have an extensive protocol in place to handle her passing, whenever that occurs. I'm expecting threads left hanging half way down the page and replies not working properly for several days as a mark of respect....
Hannah is probably dyeing her hair black as I type this.
More republican than Royalist, but think it’ll be shame when the Queen goes, she’s been an ever present in my life, most people in the country today won’t remember a different person on the throne. My Dad was 5 when she took the throne. He’s 74 now.
I'm a bit like your dad... now 75 and about 6 years old when she was crowned. I do actually remember mum, dad and me joining other neighbours crowding into another neighbour's house to watch the coronation on their dinky sized screen B&W TV (the only house that had a TV). It's funny the things you remember.
As many others here, not a monarchist but have a respect for the queen. I won't be sad at her demise as I don't think it's appropriate, but I wish her a peaceful end.
TBH could the country survive another tory pm selection thing if it fell out the sky with them both in it.
I pondered that, as most workplaces have a limit on the number of employees on a single plane or in a car etc. But it didn't make sense, if Boris' plane had crashed other than the tragedy in itself nothing changed, so the risk was all on Liz and that's not changed whether Boris shared a plane or not.
not sure we’re all ready for King Charles at this stage.
He's looking at the (small sample size) precedent of odd number Charles not seeing out the job. If so it was a very long game by the current monarch!
EDIT
I assume STW Towers will have an extensive protocol in place to handle her passing, whenever that occurs. I’m expecting threads left hanging half way down the page and replies not working properly for several days as a mark of respect….
They're rolling the forum back to 2004?
Always thought the Queen as a good egg but i can see why folk are pro or anti the monarchy although can’t see the value of getting into all that on this thread.
You can be anti-monarchy but still have some respect for her as a person, certainly easier to respect than Edward VII or Prince Andrew.
not sure we’re all ready for King Charles at this stage.
Ideal time to call time on the whole thing and just get rid of the lot of them!
Just tuned in again after popping out. Think she’s unfortunately died and they’re just waiting rest of family to get there. I’d suggest an announcement at 5pm or 6pm.
Again I hope I’m wrong
she has been a credit to this country and humanity IMO.
Protecting a nonce. Interfering in the democratic pricess. Hoarding wealth
Those hoping for the end of the monarchy when she does pass, what would the head of state look like? As recent events have plainly shown, the pool of talent for the premiership is woefully shallow. Just imagine President Johnson...
Some idiot on Sky news has just said we can't speculate on the queen's health when that's all they've been doing for the past four hours. Some great journalism on display at the moment.
Just imagine President Johnson…
This argument baffles me. As PM he had more power than most presidents and was the person representing us anywhere important. So what difference does the ceremonial head of state make exactly?
I think she has passed she had a good innings either way.
I'd look to Ireland for a reasonable why to handle not having a Monarch. But how about we don't do this now?
Those hoping for the end of the monarchy when she does pass, what would the head of state look like? As recent events have plainly shown, the pool of talent for the premiership is woefully shallow.
They seem to manage across the Irish Sea where the presidents tend to be competent heads of state and not overly political. As it's a job that will be lacking in anything other than influence the power-crazed will still seek election to Westminster.
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most workplaces have a limit on the number of employees on a single plane or in a car etc
is that true? Never heard that one before.
Why do we need a head of state? We have a hugely bloated parliament as it is.
Those hoping for the end of the monarchy when she does pass, what would the head of state look like?
This is the issue. Having a monarch who accepts that they are just there for ceremonial purposes and defers to a democratic parliament is a hell of a lot better than having an elected president who can veto legislation, or even worse, appoint ministers. Yes, the Royal family is a joke, but tourists spend huge money taking photos in front of the palace and they have no real political power so best to just let them fade away into irrelevance. I genuinely feel sorry for the younger ones, their lives must be miserable, despite the wealth.
Protecting a nonce. Interfering in the democratic pricess. Hoarding wealth
Remind me when the queen has ever interfered with the democratic process? Genuine question
For senior leadership, yes, it can be that way. The place I worked for way back when had "no more than two" for people above a certain grade, but didn't limit how many engineers could get crammed in cattle class to the US for a conference.
But that was back in the day when normal people were allowed to travel for company events.
Why do we need a head of state? We have a hugely bloated parliament as it is.
Well if you lot up there insist on being represented in two parliaments... 😉
Just a 1000 or so times...
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/feb/08/royals-vetted-more-than-1000-laws-via-queens-consent
you have to wonder why she hasn't been taken to hospital, sure the RAF could spare a helicopter or 2 ?
Oooh BBC are just following the plane landing, you'd think she'd exited the building already.
Remind me when the queen has ever interfered with the democratic process? Genuine question
Also raptors are routinly killed on the balmoral estate and the police have to ask her if they can investigate which is refused routinely .
I’d look to Ireland for a reasonable why to handle not having a Monarch. But how about we don’t do this now?
...are you new here!?
you have to wonder why she hasn’t been taken to hospital, sure the RAF could spare a helicopter or 2 ?
My guess is she knows she is dying and refused. Whats the point?
most workplaces have a limit on the number of employees on a single plane or in a car etc
is that true? Never heard that one before.
Damn right, I've never been the same since we went to a trade show in Amsterdam and got shitfaced and five of us tried to pile into a taxi and I accidentally fisted Fat John, I can still feel that clammy wet feeling, try not to eat finger food with my left hand anymore.
He must have been watching sky news and decided he was being too serious.
https://twitter.com/MarkOosterveen/status/1567877725632749569?s=20&t=1my5JyGjggpuCCwA2Tmsyg
We are going to have weeks of this crap on tv now aren't we.
Oh well they had better not remove stuff from netflix, spotify and prime
Protecting a nonce. Interfering in the democratic pricess. Hoarding wealth
Remind me when the queen has ever interfered with the democratic process? Genuine question
Whilst you're there, remind me when the queen has ever protected someone who interfered sexually with prepubescents?
Just a 1000 or so times…
"vetted" is not synonymous with "vetoed".
Lets hope the doctors make her as 'comfortable' as her grandfather.
Just a 1000 or so times…
So how many time out of those did she intervene and Stop the laws being passed?
Tj, I wouldn’t call that interfering with the democratic process. I’d call that using her influence to get her own way. In exactly the same way most overly rich and overly privileged people do. I’m not suggesting for a minute that’s correct, nor that I support the monarchy (the concept is ridiculous)
Technically I believe she could veto pretty much any law passed by government via royal consent, yet I can’t remember a time she ever has. Can you?
The guardian investigation threw up many instances. The raptor killings is also a clear example if ignoring the law
Lets hope the doctors make her as ‘comfortable’ as her
fatherGrandfather.
Well, I’ve had the call to pack a bag and get up to London.
So how many time out of those did she intervene and Stop the laws being passed?
According to the article 4, and even then, she lobbied [her MPs] for changes which may or may not have been made and, you know, under a democratic system, is exactly what we're all supposed to do if we don't like for instance; the police, crime, sentencing and courts bill.
End of an ir I guess
Was that going to be an "end of an er" joke until autocorrect kicked in?
Tj, I wouldn’t call that interfering with the democratic process. I’d call that using her influence to get her own way.
AKA interfering.
Hmm. When she does go it will mean a challenge for Private Eye crossword compilers...
Im not going to debate her proven frequent interference in laws and ignoring criminality any more here. Start another thread if you want to debate it.
It will just end up with a fight on here
Was that going to be an “end of an er” joke until autocorrect kicked in?
Yeah, autocorrect or fat fingers. It should have been i:r
Tj the only person on here picking a fights you.
Remember that old adage if you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all.
PM has no plans to travel to Scotland, she's already done her job up there. Besides never a good idea to returrn to the scene.
Correcting blatent falshoods?
The guardian investigation threw up many instances
No it doesn’t it says she reviewed them, how many times did she stop them coming into being or changed them in any way? You don’t know, neither do I
As for lobbying, yes she’s entitled to lobby for changes in the law that affect her. As are you and I.
Anyway, not going to derail this thread arguing the technicalities of it with you. We’ll just have to disagree on this one
Edit..just saw your response. Agreed let’s not ruin this thread!
I wish we all had the same level of health care as she currently enjoys and has enjoyed all her life - but we don’t.
I see the all of the GCN+ Breakaway presenters are in black!
That odd time where it's not official but WE ALL KNOW