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Great idea. But it needs to be introduced on drinks cans as well.
Pure aluminium - recycling firms love them, you can get money for them if collected & weighed in 🙂
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**** me. This thread is a perfect example of the stupidity of the average British citizen and why we really really need to stay in the EU so that some of their civilising influence rubs off on us and prevents our inexorable slide into decreptitude.
I would love to see a machine such as the one Deadly Darcy describes above ..but as that would mean significant investment by some / body / council..thats probably a non starter...
..I was wondering how long it would take for someone to turn it into Euro debate ..ffs there is a whole thread for that !
Stay on topic ...please!
“and is delivered full of limescale (calcium carbonate) and potentially also including sodium, aluminium, chlorine, copper, iron, lead, magnesium, manganese and nitrogen, and compounds made from them.”
Err, you know the word "mineral" in mineral water...
Edit: far too slow.
It's long overdue but......it's only a start. MSP on pg2 and the generalist ^^^ are both 100% correct.
I don't see much evidence of manufacturers and brand owners working collaboratively for the greater good; major retailers and manufacturers should be leading this but they haven't shown any serious interest - they're very good with bland statements but that's about it.
Gove is making all the right noises about environmental pollution and pushing policies which I'm fully behind; never thought I would be able to say that based on his previous.
**** me. This thread is a perfect example of the stupidity of the average British citizen and why we really really need to stay in the EU so that some of their civilising influence rubs off on us and prevents our inexorable slide into decreptitude.
This.
Yawn ..
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/environment/15886304.Scotland_to_ban_single_use_plastics_by_2030/
In theory I'm in favour of anything that reduces unnecessary plastic use but the logistics give me pause for thought. We don't drive to the supermarket. We get a veg box delivered and get the rest of our shopping from a local shop we can walk to and which doesn't have any recycling facilities. While we don't get through a huge number of bottles (and mainly when we're out, so if there was a way to give them back pretty much on the spot that may work), this could mean making additional unnecessary car journeys to recycle them. We're already in this position with glass (and we do cope, but end up with a pile of bottles in the corner of the kitchen until there is a big enough pile to merit a trip - we'd now end up with two piles to deal with).
You're in the minority though.
And shops might still take them back on the spot - that's what they used to do with glass.
Regards disposable coffee cups, we used biodegradable cups and lids - costs us around 3p more per cup but have inflated prices to suit. We also have a 'bring your own cup and save 50p' scheme.
Most of the big chain coffee shops also do a bring your own cup scheme but the general public don't seem to use it - after all, who carrys a cup around with them?
The gov should just ban the sale of non biodegradable plastics in certain products, give its a 3<5yrs deadline so it can be introduced effectively.
and is delivered full of limescale (calcium carbonate) and potentially also including sodium, aluminium, chlorine, copper, iron, lead, magnesium, manganese and nitrogen, and compounds made from them.”
Oh no, they all have chemically sounding names, that makes them scary.
It will depend on how its implemented.
I never visit a supermarket/shop , we just get online deliveries. We recycle all our plastic and metal via the council who collect it from our house. This works great ( for me)
If the cost of a drink goes up by 10-20p, and to get that 10- 20p back i have to physically take the empties back to the supermarket then this will be a big step backwards.
Lets see what the detail of the proposal is , then i might start frothing
If the cost of a drink goes up by 10-20p, and to get that 10- 20p back i have to physically take the empties back to the supermarket then this will be a big step backwards.
I'd imagine the delivery driver can take them back.
None of these problems are insurmountable.
If the cost of a drink goes up by 10-20p, and to get that 10- 20p back i have to physically take the empties back to the supermarket then this will be a big step backwards.
Lets see what the detail of the proposal is , then i might start frothing
Others have policed the schemes by making sure it does not lead to price rises and the deposit is taken from the production/retail side as they get something back through it in terms of materials.
None of these problems are insurmountable.
Yep, lets see what the details are, sounds like a good idea in principle as long as its implemented well
The delivery driver alreay takes the plastic bags back, and they always refund any items that they brrak or forget to deliver. so i guess they could take the empties and refund the deposits straight to your account
Shirley, the method by which you receive the recyclable container and it's mostly bottles we are talking about I think, is ideally, the way it goes back in an ideal world....
Online delivery to the door, empties go back in the van (remember doorstep milk deliveries)
Shop at the corner store... empties go back across the counter (remember pop bottles)
Shop at the supermarket, empties go back there
Aldi / Lidl would be a great place to start a trial. German companies bringing stuff to the UK and all the stores have German recycle machines from Germany... got to be an easy win
Look for Reverse Vending Machine on YouTube
"Plastic bottle deposits work well in other countries, I see no reason for it not to here."
Weirdly, when England proposed their carrier bag charge, about a year after Scotland introduced it succesfully, the single loudest response was "it won't work here". I just don't get it, what is it about english people that's so awful that stuff that works well in Scotland or Germany can't possibly work there?
We've had a drinks deposit scheme at work for the last 5 years, the number of plastic bottles in the landfill bins dropped by 75% after 4 months and the number of cans dropped to essentially zero.
"Yep, still be throwing them in the bin, just like I do with carrier bags."
Your choice, but the carrier bags scheme has been a massive success.with an 85% reduction in use. Feel free to be in the 15%
Online delivery to the door, empties go back in the van (remember doorstep milk deliveries)
I suppose theres a good chance that this might lead lead to a resurgence in home delivery services like milk and the corona pop bottle van. Can’t see that as a bad thing myself
They have this in Japan. Bit of a nuisance finding a bin in which to dispose of rubbish but there won't be just one bin, there'll be a number of them for different things. Plastic is burnt to generate power.
Big problem Japan has though is that they generate shed loads of plastic. 7-11's everywhere whose shop assistants will hand out plastic chop sticks and towel wipes all wrapped in plastic bags with everything handed to you in plastic, no questions asked. In fact they'll be bemused if you turn down their offer of bagging your purchase up.
One thing I'm hoping is that by generating cash through disposal this will teach British kids to be industrious and respect and understand money a little more by actively collecting rubbish, to afford their fags. Additionally I hope that they'll respect the countryside a little more and understand that somebody does have to pick up after them. Rubbish doesn't just magically evaporate.
At the end of the day we still generate far too much plastic rubbish and have done for decades. Why is it taking us so long to do anything? This is a tiny move in the right direction but the change needs to be made at the point of supply. Humans will naturally take the cheapest and most convenient option, it's for governments to take the initiative and make the right decisions. I'm cynical that this is a populist decision made by the government to get us all behind them for Brexit. They could have done it at any point over the past ten years and more. Why now?
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But the whole rubbish in the countryside is down to a select few scumbags. Usually chav ****ers launching their mcd wrappers out of the Corsa window whilst doing 87 in a 30. If people in this country were brought up a little better as I was and my kids are then perhaps their wouldn't be such a litter epidemic. I'm sure it wasn' like this 25 years ago.
I’m sure it wasn’ like this 25 years ago
Well, there weren't MacDonalds everywhere back then, so far fewer people eating fast food in cars.
One thing I’m hoping is that by generating cash through disposal this will teach British kids to be industrious and respect and understand money a little more by actively collecting rubbish, to afford their fags.
Ah, I like this idea. Fags are only obtainable by exchanging rubbish for them. Or to get a can of energy drink you have to hand in three empty cans. Brilliant.
At the risk of upsetting people by mentioning the B-word - this seems to be a perfect chance to illustrate how successfully we can manage something like this once set free from the EUs shackles. So I am expecting:
The scheme will be at least equivalent to other schemes in Europe - better actually
The recycling machines will be manufactured in Britain, by British companies. Even if that's more expensive - we no longer have to have an open tender process, right?
We effectively leverage our position as the second biggest (?) consumer market in the region to legislate that manufacturers are penalized for producing products with excessive or non-recyclable (or difficult to recycle) packaging.
Yeah, and I'll eat my hat.
I think it's great - we are at last doing SOMETHING - it's shameful that it's taken so long. On my last point (above), I really can't understand why there isn't a universal "grading" system for products based on this - that would be a way to change the manufacturers behavior overnight, without trying to slowly influence consumer habits.
Slapping a hefty tariff on P&G for every packet or razors or Pringles they sold would soon have them shipping them in recycled/recyclable cardboard boxes.
As above, surely, due to our courageous decision to leave the EU..... we can do all this good stuff now, right?
Being also a resident in Germany I can also confirm that the system works very well and is extremely easy to use. The supermarkets are making millions from selling the recycled bottles and cans too which makes it in their interest to invest in the machines. Lidl for example have even built an extra foyer to house their machines next to the entrance in most of their supermarkets.
I’m sure it wasn’ like this 25 years ago
Littering has been bad for well over 25 years and nothing to do with McDonalds, people complain it’s McDonald’s as they’re logo is one of the most identifiable in the world. No on is sure where that strewn pizza box is from or that unlabelled plastic bottle but the Golden Arches everyone recognises.
There has always been litter, but it does seem that the amount of roadside crap is way higher now than 25-30 years ago.
I suppose there are lot more people in the country, a lot more cars on the roads and a lot more packaged "convenience foods". Most of the litter I see are "meal deals" (drink+sandwich+crisps), take away coffee cups or energy drink/beer cans. Plus the occasional dirty nappy, bag of human excrement or bicycle inner tubes hung from trees.
(Detailed observation based on spending two hours getting 6 dustbin bags of crap out of 200 yards of country lane on Saturday)
I think councils used to try and litter pick along roads, but I've not seen anything like that for ages. I suppose they don't have the money any more.
Oh no, they all have chemically sounding names, that makes them scary.
Better not tell him that the air is made of of chemicals....
I suppose there are lot more people in the country, a lot more cars on the roads and a lot more packaged “convenience foods”. Most of the litter I see are “meal deals” (drink+sandwich+crisps), take away coffee cups or energy drink/beer cans
Yup that is very true. It’s a far bigger population.
The UK is **** filthy, it is the first thing I notice when back visiting, frankly the population needs a kick up its lazy arse.
This. It's an embarrassment walking along and seeing the amount of rubbish in hedge rows and verges and even on the chase which is supposed to be an area of outstanding natural beauty! I just don't understand the mentality of dropping litter and expecting someone else to pick it up. The state of the oceans is disgusting too, we need a serious kick up the arse as a species. I agree that the producers of all the plastic also need to be given a hefty kick too.
Its pretty depressing reading whiney cockbags complain about having to tidy up their own shit after them. Feed them to the ****ing crows.Wah, wah, wah...
Where do you think your shit goes? Why not hang them up in little plastic bags on trees for the shit fairies.
Its about time they started restricting the type of plastic and packaging so that only recyclicable stuff can be sold (it would make re-cycling so much easier, doesn't Norway do this with plastic?).
Everything that isn't recycled is either incinerated or sent to landfill. And guess what, theres a landfill tax (or else we'd be living in a mound of plastic shit). So you're paying for it one way or another. Would leave a couple of quid more for fixing them winter potholes...
Single use containers need banning.
Even the chinese are refusing to take our shit now, that should tell you something.
As above, surely, due to our courageous decision to leave the EU….. we can do all this good stuff now, right?
Without wishing to derail the thread, the EU didn't stop us from doing any of that. The EU did give us a lot of other environmental legislation though, which can happily be repealed now by the people who haven't so far done any of the good stuff.
There used to be loads of rubbish alongside railway lines before we had these air conditioned trains. Maybe that's part of the solution. Cars, vans and East European lorries should no longer have windows that open. Although a law would need to be created to ban leaving animals inside vehicles to prevent them from dehydrating. Soft tops should be banned because they usually belong to tossers.
Ticket machines for car parks, for example, are automated and scan the number plate so it's not like windows need to be wound down to pay the ticket man.
More smart bins that are connected via a mesh network and broadcast their fill level via sensors to be located at lay-bys and other locations where people loiter like bus stops, high streets and street corners.
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Single use containers need banning.
It's coming. See my link above http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/environment/15886304.Scotland_to_ban_single_use_plastics_by_2030/
Maybe those mucky bastards south of the border will follow suit.
“Its pretty depressing reading whiney cockbags complain about having to tidy up their own shit after them. Feed them to the **** crows.Wah, wah, wah…”
This!
And I’m pretty much leaving those whining in the same camp as those that hang dog shit from trees.
The UK is **** filthy, it is the first thing I notice when back visiting, frankly the population needs a kick up its lazy arse.
That.
I think it's a great idea. To all the naysayers - you do realise this isn't going to be mandatory, right? If for whatever reason you can't get your deposits back, chuck it in the household recycling with everything else.
When I was a kid, I spend many a summer Wombling for glass bottles and then taking them to the paper shop to buy my own bodyweight in sweets. I've a vague memory of going door-to-door asking neighbours if they had any empties, though I may have imagined that.
One thing though: back then, deposit was 10p two bottles would get you a quarter of sweets or a comic. What's that in today's money? 100g bag of sweets, a quid; Google would suggest that the Beano costs £2.50. Is 10p sufficient incentive? Whack a quid on the deposit of a bottle instead and the problem would go away overnight.
Oh no, they all have chemically sounding names, that makes them scary.
And whatever you do, don't read the label on a bottle of multivitamin tablets.
I suppose there are lot more people in the country, a lot more cars on the roads and a lot more packaged “convenience foods”. Most of the litter I see are “meal deals” (drink+sandwich+crisps), take away coffee cups or energy drink/beer cans.
Yeah. At the back end of last year, I took to my highly neglected front "garden" and cleared it of litter. I filled six bin bags. I did it again in February and filled another three bin bags. The vast majority was snack food wrappers - crisp packets, chocolate bar wrappers and the like. The joys of living several blocks from a school, I guess.
Without wishing to derail the thread, the EU didn’t stop us from doing any of that.
You might want to read the whole post there rather than just the first paragraph.
Yep, still be throwing them in the bin, just like I do with carrier bags.
A populist policy to try to take attention away from a government failing us.
Blah, blah blah. #rollseyes. You’re the consumer, it’s your sodding responsibility, and the producer. Do you expect government to wipe your bum as well?
I was back in the UK in February , only 2 days . Went for a long run and the amount of rubbish in the roads was huge .
It's good that more effort will go towards recycling plastic. We'll need the fleece if this winters been anything to go by.
but it doesn't really change the fundamental problem of using petrochemicals to provide most of our 'plastic' needs, when we should be using flax/ hemp.
It's no longer plastic bags at the checkout that's the problem.
How many loaves of bread are sold each day in the uk*, and shouldn't they come in a bio-degradable wrapper?
* though, some people find them a handy way to pick up their dogs mess. Just don't mistake them for your packed lunch..."profiteroles again?, well it makes a change from those croissants..."
Has anyone ever wondered where and how your “recycled” plastic bottle has ended up? To what use it has been put etc?
I asked our resident polymer(polyester)scientist this very question recently. We could add recycled polyester “plastic” to our products but some(most)are for food packaging and medical uses amongst others. We did trial it a few years ago but it would require huge investment in equipment, labour etc and at a time when both are being squeezed(manning now halved!!!)it’s not likely to happen soon....
The big issue is contamination and EU/UK regulations surrounding the use of recycled products. I’m guessing other recycled products have the same issues regarding contamination ie glass, paper etc.....
How exactly does it work in the countries mentioned above?
From placing your bottles into the recycling machine where does it go? What is the end product?
Local farm waste recycler;
https://www.solwayrecycling.co.uk/