[Closed] This video which is causing all this unrest...

What's the title of the video/movie/film? I want to see what the big deal is.

Yes. It's laughably bad.

"The Innocence of Muslims" IIRC. Not seen it myself, but I'm sure there's plenty of hateful and offensive stuff on the internet which I haven't felt the need to seek out either.

MrGreedy - Member

"The Innocence of Muslims" IIRC. Not seen it myself, but I'm sure there's plenty of hateful and offensive stuff on the internet which I haven't felt the need to seek out either.

Thanks. Will watch it tonight.

Even the title of the film is a major wind up by the looks of it. 😆

I bet the director can see them coming i.e. people going ape shite. 😆

You're not missing much - it's no Life of Brian.

bencooper - Member

You're not missing much - it's no Life of Brian.

Life of Brian has set the standard too high ... 🙄

Could someone please make a better one please as Dear Leader is bored.

Just so you're all aware - the film was not the actors' intentions. It's been dubbed, badly.

What,this one?

I've seen bits of it, it's unintentionally hilarious... Though since it's entire purpose is to cause muslims worldwide to spazz out, it's probably not all that funny on balance.

It clearly isn't a documentary. Why do peope get so animated by it?

Am I the only person who doesn't find Life of Brian funny?

Rorschach:

What,this one?

I came here to make sure this had been posted.

Good work, soldier.

Ive seen it, think team america style disguises with real life people and you start to get the picture. The director obviously knows the only way peopple will watch it is if its surrounded by controversey. Ive seen the 10mins thats on you tube and it is appallingly bad- acting, effects, plot 😆
Considering how laughable it is its very sad that people have died over this piece of dog dirt.

franksinatra - Member

Am I the only person who doesn't find Life of Brian funny?

I think you their "get" Monty Python or you don't. No big deal.

Since Life of Brian has been mentioned I guess its time to wheel this one out.....
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would it be wrong to suggest that those who follow religion aren't bright enough to see that religion is all about the intelligent finding a way to keep order of the lessers in their society? Just an observation and based on no fact clearly

The older I get, the more annoyed I get with religion.

I has annoyed a few hasn't it.

I've yet to understand why myself, why it's causing so much angst. But then I'm not of a religious nature and find a lot of whats on YouTube offensive, it's why I don't seek any of the stuf out.

I do susspect however that there is more to this story than just the Vid.

I have and it's rubbish. I expect that many of the protestors haven't seen it but it's their right to be offended. I really do wish that religion would hurry up and go away.

Pretty much every analysis ive read on this has said that while the video is given as a reason, peoples anger at corruption, occupying armies, the arab spring come-down + a lot of other factors are keeping it going

not to mention the various religous/political groups stoking the flames for their own agendas, it was broadcast in egypt the day b4 9/11 for a good reason

Am I the only person who doesn't find Life of Brian funny?

<points> BLASPHEMER!!!!

They're sitting ducks for offending seen as it seems to happen so easy.

Red-rag to a bull to a lot of people evidently.

There's more to come as well I hear.

The amount of people that condone their outrage is a bit contraversial than the video itself if you ask me.

OP - I've seen the film and it's junk - it's on Youtube btw.

designed to cause offence and it has- no idea why they bothered tbh as it does not seem to make any actual point beyond being offensive.

Still pro free speech so I would let it be like i would with the religious and their message.

I do find it sad that religious folk dont like getting offended but they forget that their message is hugely offensive to a large number of us- gays bad, women lesser, your a sinner, immoral, gentile or infidel and all the other guff they spout

I do find it sad that religious folk dont like getting offended but they forget that their message is hugely offensive to a large number of us

Like the burning of the Union Jack and the 'Stars n Stripes' that regularly takes place...

These rioters etc remind me of the kind of people who write to Points of View etc to complain about how they had to sit through a programme that was full of sex and violence. If you don't like it, don't watch it!

I think you their "get" Monty Python or you don't. No big deal.

I loved the films, but I certainly didn't 'get' the TV series...I though it was mostly terrible.

I may be r__eee__aaa__llll__yyyy stupid here.. so forgive the total ignorance.. but...

Lybia and places like that,( you know forign) I heard some access to the internet was banned, now it isn't, so folks have access to all sorts of stuff posted to YouTube etc..
I mean that Japanese Bloke that plays the Bass whilst dressed in a girls maids outfit would offend anyone right??

patriotpro - Member
Like the burning of the Union Jack and the 'Stars n Stripes' that regularly takes place.

really that offends you?

youre not that much different from people being offended by the video then?

[b]Some[/b] followers of supposedly omnipotent deities are very quick to defend said omnipotent deities.

-Am I the only that find this slightly amusing?

Of course, young blokes of all religious persuasions like a riot, especially if they are disgruntled, poor or have an "evil" enemy. Followers of religion have been known to have scuffles with followers of [b][i]slightly[/i][/b] different flavours of the same religion, even in the British Isles. The religious aspect is fairly irrelevant, of course.

kimbers - It's a degradation of a nation's identity so I imagine it will offend one or two.

Being offended isn't against any law I know of - the reactions of the peoples to the video in question is though.

The religious aspect is fairly irrelevant, of course.

well it isn't really, maybe for the kids throwing stones, but not for the puppet masters pulling the strings.

Like the burning of the Union Jack and the 'Stars n Stripes' that regularly takes place...

I was not offended by that but I am sure they would be offended if someone burned a book sacred to them, their flag or a picture of the prophet.

Its startling hypocrisy from the religious I find hard to tolerate.
Tolerate my [sometimes] offensive religious views lest you be a religious bigot but if you criticise my beliefs i will kill you.
So one way toleration for those who believe in a falsehood [ or at least something they cannot prove lest we get dragged into that].

that said I see little point in doing this as we know what the reaction will be and it hardly helps the situation.

I also liked listening to the ****stan minister preaching to us abut religious rights/freedoms in the west. therefore I shall be sending him a letter on human rights, womens rights and the rights of gays. I am sure he will be delighted to hear it and act immediately.

Is it really about religion? Or is it that a bunch of people (predominately young blokes) like to get together have a bit of a shout and burn some stuff when they get given an excuse? I imagine if there was a nearby PC world they might raid it for ipods at the same time.

On the subject of being offended

[url= http://www.thatvideosite.com/v/2822 ]here.[/url]

I've posted this before, but it's worth reposting I think.

DT78 - Member
Is it really about religion? Or is it that a bunch of people (predominately young blokes) like to get together have a bit of a shout and burn some stuff when they get given an excuse?

One justifies the other. (Not to me but the perpertrators).

Their religion is a shroud for many evils ime, not just the ones that are in the media spot-light at the minute. It's a shroud that seems to have many 'educated' people in this country fooled too.

Tucker as i always say that does not mean you have the right to be offensove for the sake of it either as we do have some stuff that is actually criminal to say as it is deemed so offensive.

Personally I think it is ok to make a point that may offend. I may say I think Islam is patriarchal for example and disrespectful of women and they may be offended.
however if i just want to call their prophet rude names, insult him, lie about his life and suggest he was a sex offender then really what sort of point am I trying to make other than to offend?
To be clear I am not I am just saying what the video does.
At its extreme it is like arguing for the right to behave like a dick.
legally I can stand outside someone house and call their wife a slag[ or other rude names no doubt] but it is it really an essential human right and do they really have no right to be offended by this or object?
Its to simplistic [checks and balances are required]to do and say as the comedian does [ though it is funny and he is right about boy bands.

patriotpro - Member

Their religion is a shroud for many evils ime, not just the ones that are in the media spot-light at the minute. It's a shroud that seems to have many 'educated' people in this country fooled too.

you can say that about any other religion

have you ever read the koran, in large parts its virtually identical to the old testament

I must have missed something. My understanding is the basic teachings of all religions is peace and kindness to others?
Cant confess to being religous my self but each to their own and that.
So its not an exagerated brand/ ross episode where more are complaining than actually wittnessing the event.

kimbers - Member

patriotpro - Member
Like the burning of the Union Jack and the 'Stars n Stripes' that regularly takes place.
really that offends you?

youre not that much different from people being offended by the video then?

To be honest I am offended by the burning of our flag. However I don't think i am anything like the people who were offended by that video. I express my feelings with a near audible tut and then move on. I think that is very different.

I thought it was Where The Trail Ends that you lot were moaning about this week?

On a recent thread of this ilk I was slated for suggesting that veiled women might not wish to be veiled. [url= http://www.elle.fr/Societe/News/Elle-releve-son-voile-son-mari-la-frappe-683228 ]Well this lady lifted her veil to get some air and was promptly punched in the face by her husband.[/url] She was lucky, others have had their nose cut off..

you can say that about any other religion

How many terrorists/acts of terrorism do you hear of nowadays that's done in the name of any other religion than Islam?

Do any other holy books condone attacking those that don't follow the religion it preaches until they are conquered or converted?

Do any other religions promote violence and oppression to all those who disagree with it's idealistic verses?

yodagoat - Member
I thought it was Where The Trail Ends that you lot were moaning about this week?

Supposed to be garbage innit?

Jesus ordered his diciples to bring those that would not have him as their king before him and slaughter them.

Jacque Chirac's book relates how George Bush phoned him and tried to convince him to fulfil biblical prophecies by joining in with Gulf War II

Edukator - Member
Jesus ordered his diciples to bring those that would not have him as their king before him and slaughter them.

So the problem is muslims rather than islam?

The problem is organised religion rather than personal faith whatever the religion. When organised religion takes over the state the problem takes on stately proportions.

We can thank those brave people of the enlightenment a couple of hundred years ago for our freedom from religious oppression and equally brave people for our press freedom and the fact blashpemy is not a crime.

patriotpro - Member
you can say that about any other religion
How many terrorists/acts of terrorism do you hear of nowadays that's done in the name of any other religion than Islam?

well i can think of a sectarian conflict in northern ireland that also spilled over into mainland britain.

and as for the legacy of violence of children committed and covered up for decades by the catholic church....

not to mention some very nasty christian vs hindu violence in india in recent years, both sides guilty of attrocities

and of course this video itself a deliberate act of provocation it seems by coptic christians intended to piss off muslims and provoke a response on the anniversary of 9/11

Edukator - Member
Jesus ordered his diciples to bring those that would not have him as their king before him and slaughter them.

I'm not offended by what you are saying, but I am intrigued. Where would it be that Jesus said this exactly?

Just outside Jurusalem (or Jerico, I can see I'm going to have to open up the Bible and check this), he ordered his diciples to go steal a donkey then rode it in Jurusalem defended by his disciples and occupied the temple.

I'll find you the references in a sec.

Edit: Luke 19:27 on.

Edukator - Member

On a recent thread of this ilk I was slated for suggesting that veiled women might not wish to be veiled.

You don't really think that's what you got criticised for, do you? I mean, really?

Link it if you wish, Northwind, people will see exactly what I got criticised for.

[url= http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Luk&c=19# ]Here's Luke 19[/url], the type of animal stolen doesn't agree with my Bible but the story is pretty much the same.

Have fun and play nice guys, I'll spare a thought for you and maybe pray for you as I walk to Compostelle. I've got the pack down to 6.5kg or 8,5 with 2l of water. Wish me blisters, sore feet and an Atlantic storm or two. Laters.

kimbers - Muslims are currently rioting, maiming and killing in the name of their religion - no other, not now nor recently.

Jesus ordered his diciples to bring those that would not have him as their king before him and slaughter them.

Luke 19:27

I've heard the parable of the ten talents before, never have I associated it with a claim that Jesus was ordering the slaughter of non-believers. The parable of the ten talents was a story told by Jesus, he didn't order his disciples to bring those that would not have him as their king before him and slaughter them. The king in this parable was a nobleman who became king of a distant land, Luke doesn't claim it was Jesus.

Do you ever watch the news or read a paper, Patriotpro? Or read what Kimbers posted above.

ernie_lynch - Member
Jesus ordered his diciples to bring those that would not have him as their king before him and slaughter them.
Luke 19:27

I've heard the parable of the ten talents before, never have I associated it with a claim that Jesus was ordering the slaughter of non-believers. The parable of the ten talents was a story told by Jesus, he didn't order his disciples to bring those that would not have him as their king before him and slaughter them. The king in this parable was a nobleman who became king of a distant land, Luke doesn't claim it was Jesus.

So 'Edukator' is a blasphemer then and punishable by *****?

This one?
http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/wtf-naked-rambler-jailed-for-5-months/page/4

I doubt many people will read it again- but perhaps you should, since you seem to have rewritten it all in your mind 😆

patriotpro you are Pastor Terry Jones and I claim my ten dollars

It's a question of where the parable ends, Ernie. I've linked Luke and people can judge for themselves what Jesus intended his message to be.

In my French Bible 19:27 starts with "D'autre part", a clear break from parable telling and a return to the tasks in hand. You'll find a lot of biblical scolars that have spent a lot of like studying the Greek texts think it was jesus giving an order to his diciples.

kimbers - for your offence you shall be buried neck-deep and stoned to death...

edukator - stop asking silly questions.

D'autre part, la route est longue, il faut que je dorme.

It's a question of where the parable ends, Ernie. I've linked Luke ......

Actually I've checked and the version I've heard appears to be Matthew 25 which ends : [i]"And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness; there men will weep and gnash their teeth"[/i].......rather grim for members of the proletariat who don't pull their weight 😐

But either way it does not back up your claim that Jesus told his disciples to slaughter nonbelievers.

... people can judge for themselves what Jesus intended his message to be

Oh yes, people can and will interpret the bible as best suits them (as you have in this case). And I'm sure people do the same with the Koran.

I may say I think Islam is patriarchal for example and disrespectful of women

And yet it's possible to read accounts of folk that have travelled to Muslim countries and lived among the people, that state that the reality is that day to day Islamic family life is often matriarchal, and that the men are as henpecked and under the thumb as in any other society..

what if all the mental bible verses were recreated in lego......

[url= http://www.thebricktestament.com/home.html ]http://www.thebricktestament.com/home.html[/url]

On a recent thread of this ilk I was slated for suggesting that veiled women might not wish to be veiled.

There is a huge amount of pressure to conform in muslim society; I know two brothers who both break the fast they swear blind to each other that they uphold, and I let a young "muslim" lad hide in my office to stuff his face with bacon. 😆

let a young "muslim" lad hide in my office to stuff his face with bacon. ah sbob that made me laff .a whole religon desperate to be ofended as i see it,

When will people start practicing the right not to be offended.

On reflection, I still don't think we, I certainly don't, know anywhere near enough about Islam as a faith to really be outraged at the level of supposed offence that certain elements of the muslim community take from these silly cartoons, and such like.

ah sbob that made me laff

I once fed a bacon burger to a Jewish vegetarian; double bubble!

Cured quite a few veggies over the years, plus a few afflicted with religion.
Bacon is always the key. 😉

Marcus Brigstoke has something to say on this

The film serves no other purpose but to insult and degrade brother Muhammad his teachings and to offend his followers, the children of Allah or Muslim culture.

There is no justification for it not being banned as it is clearly full of lies and is offensive to any civilized human being.

In a country such as America where what you can say about the Jewish people is strictly controlled, it is no surprise to me that such a clear provocation of the Muslim community has been launched from this country.

Are the followers of Muhammad wrong for defending their history and what they believe? they can only be wrong for doing so, if you believe in nothing and as such everything to you becomes therefore acceptable.

Why has what can only be described as an appalling piece of film making cost $5,000,000 and also why has it from it's very first release received such massive publicity?

The children of Allah are right to defend their rich history and beliefs, they are also right to want the stench of America as far from their nostrils as it can be driven!

The film serves no other purpose but to insult and degrade brother Muhammad his teachings and to offend his followers, the children of Allah or Muslim culture.

There is no justification for it not being banned as it is clearly full of lies and is offensive to any civilized human being.

Probably true - certainly not a right I want to support

In a country such as America where what you can say about the Jewish people is strictly controlled, it is no surprise to me that such a clear provocation of the Muslim community has been launched from this country.

Are the followers of Muhammad wrong for defending their history and what they believe? they can only be wrong for doing so, if you believe in nothing and as such everything to you becomes therefore acceptable.

Why has what can only be described as an appalling piece of film making cost $5,000,000 and also why has it from it's very first release received such massive publicity?

The children of Allah are right to defend their rich history and beliefs,

they are also right to want the stench of America as far from their nostrils as it can be driven!

Perhaps junkyard, but the teachings of all of the prophets and the messages they brought to man kind have been altered throughout history to ensure that certain individuals and groups benefit from these religions, in terms of wealth and power.

Muhammad as Jesus before him, teaches that all things are one, both prophets also taught that equality and fair treatment is essential, not through books but by how they lived their lives and the facts that not only their followers but also their friends were from all walks of life and religions/belief systems, testifies to this.

They were in a very real sense interested in finding a common ground for people to meet on and to set aside their differences and focus on that which brings each of us closer.

The problem with this situation as with all other situations where there is violence or conflict between different peoples, is a lack of truth or the understanding it brings.

As for burning the flags of Israel or America, we are burning Men, Women and even children, some of those children not yet born. I do not believe this is only about the movie, that was simply the last straw.

For all of those who said that media could not be used to incite civil unrest, what are you saying now?

The west has committed far more crimes against the children of Allah and the Muslim peoples that this dumb ass film, however this does go to show how much influence and control the TV and media has over a lot of people all over the world.

As for the US Ambassador Christopher Stevens, the same individuals that he funded, armed and trained, killed him?

Marcus Brigstoke has something to say on this

😀

sbob - Member
ah sbob that made me laff
I once fed a bacon burger to a Jewish vegetarian; double bubble!

Cured quite a few veggies over the years, plus a few afflicted with religion.
Bacon is always the key.