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£700
Needs recharging after 40 hrs or so of riding
Wireless shifting I get, but the pie seems to be a solution to a problem that's already been solved by good hose routing (Such as the new Stumpy, among others)
Much as I loathe your online persona 🙂 , you could be right on this one.
However, I noticed on the puff video posted on the other thread that a single RH shifter could be programmed to do both the derailleur and the dropper.
Moar streamlined cockpit, etc.
Bet it will be available for much less than that, within a year as well. This should be SRAMs way of getting folk into their product lines. Folk buy the seatpost, like how it looks/works, so they consider (at least) upgrading their their mech and shifter too (as its all integrated), stealing (more) market share off shimano, who seem to be struggling to get a full mechanical groupset to market at the moment, never mind a wireless leccy one.
I like the look of the seatpost (except the collar colour), especially the “Vent valve” and would be really easy to swap between bikes
I don’t think you can do shifting and dropper on just the RH lever as it only has two buttons, think you need both remotes but can assign the dropper to one of the rh buttons
I love the idea of a hoseless dropper, ease of installation, removal, no routing problems, one less hole for water to get in your frame, etc, but.....
£700, seven hundred ****ing quid.... Seriously?
Mountain biking has completely lost the plot.
I don’t think you can do shifting and dropper on just the RH lever as it only has two buttons, think you need both remotes but can assign the dropper to one of the rh buttons
It's got 3, 2 thumb operated ones as you'd expect, and one you can operate with you knuckle when sprinting, all fully programmable
Heavier than the Vyron and more than double the cost. Although it seems more responsive admittedly. I'm not feeling it
🤣 @Martin!
Are you keeping detailed files as well! (#creepystalker! )
40hours between charges?
Based on RS's recommended service intervals I presume that means they'll do it for you......
(I liked my reverb, but not enough to want to spend another £200 on a replacement, let alone this).
Just **** off!
It's a seatpost!
700 ****ing quid!
**** off and get in the ****ing sea!
Mountain biking has completely lost the plot.
No, because you can still get a good FS for under a grand, and will continue to be able to do so. No-one said that motoring had lost the plot when Bugatti released the Veyron.
We'll put you down as a maybe then, gobuchul?
What would you do with the now redundant holes in your frame?!
Eagle RH Controller has 2 inputs not 3.
The 'Sprint' shift activated with the index finger is simply linked to the upper of the two inputs on the thumb side.
40 hours is average total ride time for the post - everyone is different but id anticipate that to last me a month.
Full service interval has moved from 200 to 600 hours due to the new improved internals.
Good job it's so easy on the eye. Imagine if it had been 700 quid and ugly as ****?
£700 for an electric seatpost?
I know a lady or two who've apparently bought a bloody good one from Love Honey for a tenth of that price, they had much longer service intervals too.
TBH £700 for a fork these days feels like I'm victim to licensed banditry, let alone a seatpost, even if it's made of KITT.
Before the brexit referendum I bought an lb prebuilt carbon wheelset on hope hubs for less than that. Including shipping and tax.
Just to put things into perspective.
My couch cost that and can seat three times as many people.
Battery charge will last longer than the post will
Single bolt saddle clamps aren’t something I’m a huge fan of because it’s hard to get them to tighten enough to avoid them moving under load, but during my brief stint using the post, I had no issues with the saddle slipping.
The actual ****? Who the **** asked Chris Moyles to test it? Cut down on the pies you fat knacker. Or just stop talking bollocks.
I know I’ve touched on this already, but the lack of cables or hose means the new Reverb AXS removes all of the hassle when it comes to fitting a post. While others can claim this too, the Reverb trumps them in terms of performance.
Oh ****ing really?
Here you go, 87.5x cheaper, 260odd grams lighter, no wires and no ****ing battery that means you can't move your post if it dies:
https://www.wiggle.co.uk/brand-x-inline-6061-seatpost/
No, because you can still get a good FS for under a grand, and will continue to be able to do so. No-one said that motoring had lost the plot when Bugatti released the Veyron.
Except a Veyron outperforms a [insert modest sports car here] without a performance penalty (weight in this case). And was an engineering masterpiece. This is a widget for ****s with more money than sense.
This post is designed to exclusively cater to the peak alpha dickhead market. I mean yeah, the plot was lost long ago with a lot of stuff but this is just another level of idiocy. Thats about a fifth of my monthly take home and I'm on a bloody good wage. For a ****ing seat post!
How long before someone hacks it and your shifters so that they can, from the comfort of their front room, use their phone to change your gears, and extend your post while the bike is going up and your are coming down. Best case scenario you go over the bars. Worse case scenario doesn't even bear thinking about....
I’m looking forward to the day when ninety percent of my bike is wireless. It’ll be great when I’m in the arse end of nowhere and the bike stops working because it needs a ****ing firmware update.
So if your mate has one too and drops his saddle while he's next to you, does the signal from his shifter drop your post as well, or are they individually paired? Not that it really matters because I don't think I'll be spending more than my bike's worth on a seatpost.
What would you do with the now redundant holes in your frame?!
SRAM are offering AXS blanking plates as accessories, priced at a reasonable £49.99, each.
I might get one. I’ll have to sell the bike to fund it, but it’ll be worth it just to have the latest pointless upgrade. How much are unicycles? I can put the remote on one of my fingers.
how do you keep a straight face selling that ?
So if your mate has one too and drops his saddle while he’s next to you, does the signal from his shifter drop your post as well, or are they individually paired? Not that it really matters because I don’t think I’ll be spending more than my bike’s worth on a seatpost.
I can only speak for the Vyron that it's paired only to that button, so if i drop mine, it drops only mine, it's not really an issue at all that's worth worrying about that's for sure.
Whilst the Vyron may not be the best dropper for speed, it's consistent and can be removed in seconds. That's important for me as i rarely run a dropper as i find all droppers a bit 'flakey' in some way or another and have a perception they're a bit fragile compared to static posts. This is based upon ownership of a few and seeing many threads on forums. So i keep my dropper off the bike to save it being used as often.
Wow.
You know something's overpriced when Flash moans about it. 🙂
I await the STW front page review which will declare it 'revolutionary' and 'expensive but worth it' along with all the £1200 shocks, £1000 fork springs and £100 grips.
And was an engineering masterpiece. This is a widget for **** with more money than sense.
Snort
Don't think you lot quite understand retail. Stuff is priced to make money, if someone buys it then it's worth it. The world is full of overpriced bollocks, what made you think MTBing was different? You can get cassettes for £350 these days you know.
Knowing SRAM they've probably over thought & engineered it... is it wireless, but with a hydraulic actuator in the button that'll need constant bleeding???
So you're agreeing then?
And yes I'm quite aware that there is plenty of overpriced shite out there, as per "the plot was lost long ago with a lot of stuff but this is just another level of idiocy".
As a sport, we must be some of the worst consumerism driven keep up with the Jones's idiots out there. The saddest thing is people just don't care and find all sorts of tenuous reasons to justify this shallow crap.
Don’t think you lot quite understand retail. Stuff is priced to make money, if someone buys it then it’s worth it.
My understanding was people say oh ah yes I'd buy that if it was oooh ahh yes made in....reality is **** that I'll wait for it to be in the sale
We know.
It's not being called out, it's being normalised and encouraged.
Isla's bikes for older people are genuine innovation and progress.
This is a pisstake.
When people are prepared to pay over £200 for trendy boots, why wouldn't they have the spare readies to make themselves feel that good when they press the button to lower their seatpost?
And, right, just imagine how much the aftermarket buttons will be, for those fussy about their buttons! Awesome.
As a sport, we must be some of the worst consumerism driven keep up with the Jones’s idiots out there. The saddest thing is people just don’t care and find all sorts of tenuous reasons to justify this shallow crap.
Not at all. I’m a bike tart and like shiny new bike bits. I couldn’t give less of a shit what anyone else rides/how they spend their money.
It wasn't long ago that the whole idea of pressing a button to lower your seatpost was considered as a frivolous expense in some quarters. What was wrong with just stopping at the top, undoing the QR and sliding the seatpost down?
A Thomson dropper post for 400 quid? Madness!
There does seem to be a market for 7K bikes - this will be supplied on those in the same way that fancy features are used to seal the deal on an expensive car.
Eventually those features will trickle down into cheaper bikes.
No-one actually needs an expensive car or an expensive bike. But people buy them anyway. And as long as that happens, the industry will keep coming up with gizmos like this to entice them.
& a Magura one that is also electronic retails for £350
But £700 for a reverb that will fail & need to be replaced every 3 months...
What's clever in a marketing sense about the wireless stuff is that it effectively ties you into their product line.
As a sport, we must be some of the worst consumerism driven keep up with the Jones’s idiots out there.
No, we're no different to anyone else*. Cos we're people, you know? Although you seriously underestimate the number of people who are simply riding regular or even old bikes all the time. You can still get plenty of 9 speed kit on CRC, that tells you it's still being bought and used.
* except maybe fell runners.
Pah! Just wait till I bring out my seatpost & gear system that works on thought process. All you say is, 'saddle down/up' or 'gear up/dpwn'. Not even any buttons to press.
You'll see.
What’s clever in a marketing sense about the wireless stuff is that it effectively ties you into their product line.
No more so than wired, even cable, systems?
I'm talking about your typical "sport" cyclist, not cyclists as a whole. I'm well aware 9sp is still more than catered for.
As for the "trickle down" argument, that's pish. What is the real difference between that post and a normal reverb besides a valve they could have easily incorporated into their lighter and cheaper mechanically operated one? Cmon, one performance benefit.
Feel good factor? Exactly my point. If you feel your life will be improved by spunking £700 on something that offers absolutely no benefit over something at a fraction of the price (with already known reliability issues) then go ahead. Doesn't mean I'm not right.
except maybe fell runners.
And triathletes.
Weirdos.
No more so than wired, even cable, systems?
Increasingly so.
Which is why some of us choose to stick to 9 speed with it's cross compatability.
Same with bar end shifters - I don't want to be overly tied into a system which limits my choices.
And it's a conscious decision by manufacturers to do this, the limitation of choice by the promotion of integration.
It's got its ups and downs.
I'd like to make a couple of predictions regarding this and STW, if I may
:
1. a duplicate thread in the bicycling thread within the week
2. a feature on the front page saying it's awsum, but pricey.
thanks
wireless seat post appeals to me more than wireless drivechain.
For a start if you run out of battery the seatpost will still work.
For a start if you run out of battery the seatpost will still work.
You hope
appeals to me more than wireless drivechain.
For a start if you run out of battery the seatpost will still work
What stops the drivechain from working?
For a start if you run out of battery the seatpost will still work.
Well, in one position at any rate:
If the battery does die, you can’t adjust it manually.
Is wireless actually an advantage if it just means more batteries to charge?
If i wanted electronic shifting/seatposts, I think i'd rather have ONE battery and some wires, rather than multiple batteries and no wires. Remembering to charge things is a pain.
So if I bunged it on my e bike it would wirelessly charge the batteries like you can with your mobile phone right?
Remembering to charge things is a pain.
+1.
Bike lights and a gps. OK, that's tolerable.
Anything else for me, probably not. But, then I'm a techno-luddite still using a KCNC seatpost, rather than a dropper.
The comment in the article about it going to sleep to save battery until it's jiggled around, so if you take it in the car, you should remember to take the battery out or you will shorten the battery life....erm, OK then.
I wonder how battery life is affected by cold weather?
Feel good factor? Exactly my point. If you feel your life will be improved by spunking £700 on something that offers absolutely no benefit over something at a fraction of the price (with already known reliability issues) then go ahead. Doesn’t mean I’m not right.
You're right about the utter pointlessness and vacuousness of spending tons of money on widgets that make no real difference to life. But you're wrong about it being an MTBing phenomenon! See golf, hifi, cars, cameras, handbags, shoes etc etc etc etc. There's a certain type of person who will salivate over expensive shit regardless of what shop window it's in.
There’s a certain type of person who will salivate over expensive shit regardless of what shop window it’s in.
I resemble this remark.
It's too expensive, so I wouldn't consider buying it. However, if it was programmable so that you could preset different heights along with electronic damper settings, I could imagine it being worth it for serious racers. For example, on road climbs you'd want your saddle right up and suspension very stiff, on fast XC stuff maybe the saddle down half an inch and the dampers less stiff, then for descents, the saddle much lower and the dampers open. So basically a 3 or 4 position switch and the saddle positions and damper settings programmable for different circuits and personal preferences.
But you’re wrong about it being an MTBing phenomenon!
Sorry, that paragraph wsn't directed at you.
You're right though, I suppose it's just easier to see from the inside, look at how much golfers spend on the latest and greatest clubs, fittings and all sorts of nonsense. Every sport has the thick end of the wedge, this is just ours.
It is expensive and, probably, something I would have. To compare it more with other expensive things...
A Titleist TS2 Driver is £499 RRP. You'd use it, maybe, 10-12 times in a round. A dropper you'll use a lot more than that..
What would you do with the now redundant holes in your frame?!
If you're spunking £700 on a seatpost then Swarovski crystals would do nicely
Pah! Just wait till I bring out my seatpost & gear system that works on thought process. All you say is, ‘saddle down/up’ or ‘gear up/dpwn’. Not even any buttons to press.
You’ll see.
Sorry for the pedantry but what you described was voice activation. I'm pretty sure my Go-Pro has that functionality and I know my TV and Google Home stuff does so thats pretty easy to implement. Whether I could manage a clear vocal instruction when I am blowing out my arse is debatable.
If they open up the control you could replace a MIPS liner with one of these and really use thought control https://www.amazon.co.uk/OCZ-NIA-Neural-Impulse-Actuator/dp/B00168VU4U
Its a brave new world out there!
However, if it was programmable so that you could preset different heights along with electronic damper settings, I could imagine it being worth it for serious racers.
Yep and you could set it up to automatically change settings at certain points in the lap.
A dropper you’ll use a lot more than that..
Really? If you're doing that amount of adjusting you're not doing it right IMO
The seatpost would be worth more than my bike, which is worth more than my current car. I think my priorities may be a bit mixed up 😀
As a sport, we must be some of the worst consumerism driven keep up with the Jones’s idiots out there. The saddest thing is people just don’t care and find all sorts of tenuous reasons to justify this shallow crap.
Call down. You don't have to buy it nor to worry about what OTHER people do with their money. Unless of course if you have a chip on your shoulder.
Except that this affects everyone.
The more people decide to buy pointless toss marketed at the gullible by shysters, the more it impacts the rest of us.
Prices rise, standards become ever more short lived and bikes become obsolete far quicker.
And I have a chip on each shoulder. Chips are cheap. 🙂
Really? If you’re doing that amount of adjusting you’re not doing it right IMO
Uum, I think it depends where you ride? I'm guessing a canal towpath is your usual haunt?
The Malvern Hills, however, have lots of short descents followed by a quick climb and repeat etc etc. Just adjusting the post an inch or 2 can be really useful..
Really? If you’re doing that amount of adjusting you’re not doing it right IMO
I must use my dropper literally hundreds of times a ride, not really sure what I'm not doing right?....
Does anyone remember when spunking large amounts of cash on useless toss was viewed as something foolish and slightly idiotic, rather than something to be proud of?
It’s a good job people like me spend seemingydaft amounts on high end bits. It means there’s a source of second hand high end bits for those with less disposable income/more self control.
If you got it, you might as well spend it on fancy toys.
I can see the benefit of it - I don't always like to ride with a dropper, especially if I've got a bag on the post so being able to whip it off and stick a normal post in there without the faff of cables would be handy. I did contemplate a Magura version but having had Magura brakes in the past I'm never buying their products again..
Also, my Di2 lasts ages on a charge as did my Etap so I can't see this being any worse. £700 is pretty spendy but as per normal it'll eventually come down in price - Etap has.
Cycling is the new golf innit? Full of flash types in it for the status symbols.
Imagine if it could be hacked and someone could mess with the control 😉
more wireless waves through our bodies. Poor nature. 🙁
I’ve got a roll of aluminium foil you can have, it’s not just those ‘wireless waves’ you need to worry about, there’s cosmic radiation, background radiation from granite, neutrons passing straight through you, the Earth, and everything else!
Be afraid, be very afraid!
Really? If you’re doing that amount of adjusting you’re not doing it right IMO
Maybe if you have a hour fireroad climb into a non-stop descent (lucky canadians).
IF you're pedaling, it should be up (either fully up or with a little bit of drop on flat single track); if you're stood up, it should be down. Half mast has some occasional use. If you aren't doing this you're wasting it (money and weight) IMO.
I don’t always like to ride with a dropper, especially if I’ve got a bag on the post so being able to whip it off and stick a normal post in there without the faff of cables would be handy.
I’m probably missing something really obvious here, but can you not just use the dropper post without, you know, dropping it?
Call down. You don’t have to buy it nor to worry about what OTHER people do with their money. Unless of course if you have a chip on your shoulder.
Who's upset? I'm not, just voicing an opinion. No need to throw round insults unless something I said struck a nerve?
Uum, I think it depends where you ride? I’m guessing a canal towpath is your usual haunt?
No, I just have my post set at a sensible height for the riding I'm doing. If it's a big up then I adjust it otherwise I put it back down. I tend not to obsess over what height my post is at and just get on with riding my bike as people managed to do for years before. Crazy, innit?
I’m probably missing something really obvious here, but can you not just use the dropper post without, you know, dropping it?
You are. No.
If the battery does die, you can’t adjust it manually.
And yes, there is an obvious design solution here.
IF you’re pedaling, it should be up (either fully up or with a little bit of drop on flat single track); if you’re stood up, it should be down. Half mast has some occasional use. If you aren’t doing this you’re wasting it
Oh, balls. I didn't know there were [i]RULES[/i]. Why didn't someone tell me!
We got back from a ride last weekend and I tried to pop my son's dropper back up and it was stuck down. I asked him if he'd noticed - no! He never tried to raise it... Waster!
Although, to be fair, he was using a dropper post I bought for me, on a bike I bought for me so I'm not sure how this contravenes the DPR (dropper post rules).
I tend not to obsess over what height my post is at and just get on with riding my bike as people managed to do for years before. Crazy, innit?
Always amazed the amount of passive aggression some people put into their posts. I wonder why?
people managed to do for years before.
We 'managed' without a lot of things for 100's of years before they were invented...
You're all completely mad.
I spent £700 recently on a bit of lead to wrap around my chimney and some blobs of mortar. Utterly useless as it turned out.
I also spent same amount in council tax over the last few months.
I may also have an evening with Kelly and her curious but liberated bisexual friend, Donna - but they're only after the money, not my charm. But:
It's my money!
So WHY THE ANGER?!
AAAAAAAARGH!!!
