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I'll take your word for it I won't be looking at the Daily Mail website.

What's so fundamental about that?

Link is to the indy

Mostly just disappointed that you an legally still run a school like that. Quite simply religion in schools should be simply taught like history or geography and something to learn about. It shouldn't over rule science, evidence and best practice in education to take away a child's future like that is criminal.

Mostly just disappointed that you an legally still run a school like that.

It's actually even worse than just teaching that Christianity is 100% true etc. The poor kids don't even get proper qualifications at the end of it, no GCSEs or A levels, just some certificate that they're good Christians. How [b]that [/b]can be legal is beyond my belief.

Mostly just disappointed that you an legally still run a school like that. Quite simply religion in schools should be simply taught like history or geography and something to learn about. It shouldn't over rule science, evidence and best practice in education to take away a child's future like that is criminal.

Speaking as someone with a vested interest in a particular religious tradition, I agree with you 100% mikewsmith.

A 7ft-long boa constrictor as well as a number of tarantulas were kept in the school as pets, without due consideration being made as to whether they are safe to be around children.

Sounds awesome!

A 7ft-long boa constrictor as well as a number of tarantulas were kept in the school as pets, without due consideration being made as to whether they are safe to be around children

Staff meetings are lively there, though.

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The poor kids don't even get proper qualifications at the end of it, no GCSEs or A levels, just some certificate

Sounds like Hogwarts

Sounds like Hogwarts

They do at least get OWLs and NEWTs which are recognised qualifications.

Here's a question, do people have a right to willful ignorance? 😆

Here's a question, do people have a right to willful ignorance?

Adults do. But they shouldn't have a right to pass this on to their kids. At least not during school hours.

Here's a question, do people have a right to wilful ignorance?

Not when it genuinely hurts. And besides, the ignorance in this case is being [I]imposed[/I] on children and is therefore not wilful.

There is a difference between presenting ideas, including religious ones, as ideas to be explored, and imposing them in a way that permits no alternative and forbids questioning.

Like many others I went to CofE schools where we sang hymns in assembly and did RE lessons. But we left school with a good education.....
That's a dodgy cult. Nothing more or less.....
I'm astonished it can happen TBH.

All schools in France are secular. They have no issues with religious extremism, right ?

National Curriculum standards should apply to all schools.

All schools in France are secular.

EDIT : And, actually, other faith schools too, to be balanced, but nowhere near comparable numbers.

mogrim - Member
Here's a question, do people have a right to willful ignorance?
Adults do. But they shouldn't have a right to pass this on to their kids. At least not during school hours.

SaxonRider - Member
Here's a question, do people have a right to wilful ignorance?
Not when it genuinely hurts. And besides, the ignorance in this case is being imposed on children and is therefore not wilful.

There is a difference between presenting ideas, including religious ones, as ideas to be explored, and imposing them in a way that permits no alternative and forbids questioning.

Perhaps, ultimately, I think ignorance is passed on from the parents though, so while I don't think these schools are great(talking about these more fundamentalist type schools, I went to a catholic schools myself). I think it's really just something for people to direct their rage at. Problem will still remain with the parents.

ultimately, I think ignorance is passed on from the parents though

I think its more to do with parents protecting their own ignorance than passing it on. Letting your children out into the big wide world and having them come home with questions risks bursting your bubble.

Its the same reason people try to prevent their children mixing with the poor.

Aye, could see that being part of the issue, fair point.

I think it's really just something for people to direct their rage at. Problem will still remain with the parents.

Yes and no, at the end of the day it's obviously the parents choosing these schools for their kids, but the fact that these schools exist is something I certainly find offensive (and worrying). Given that these exist for Christian fundamentalists, does that mean that similar schools exist for Jews and Muslims? Schools were the Torah or the Quran are the only thing to be studied?

Like most UK kids I had assembly, prayer and Christmas / Easter celebrations at school, but that didn't get in the way of getting recognised O and A levels.

Fundamentalist anything is a recipe for disaster, be that Christian, Islam, Judaism Hindu etc etc. The sooner the politicians in this country grow some balls and legislate to have religion taught in a balanced way in all schools and outlaw any school having religious links the better for all of society in my opinion.

Religion should be a private matter for families to practice in their own time, if they choose to.

Fundamentalist anything is a recipe for disaster, be that Christian, Islam, Judaism Hindu etc etc. The sooner the politicians in this country grow some balls and legislate to have religion taught in a balanced way in all schools and outlaw any school having religious links the better for all of society in my opinion.

True dat,

The sooner the politicians in this country grow some balls and legislate to have religion taught in a balanced way in all schools and outlaw any school having religious links the better for all of society in my opinion.

Religion should be a private matter for families to practice in their own time, if they choose to.

A big +1

Absolutely absurd tbh. Those poor kids. Indoctrination at school is bad enough but at the expense of a real education? Disgusting really. Still, in the brave new world of academisation, maybe it won't seem so strange in a year or so

Mostly just disappointed that you an legally still run a school like that. Quite simply religion in schools should be simply taught like history or geography and something to learn about. It shouldn't over rule

Christianophobia!!!!!!!

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Hi folks. Let's get started shall we?

All state schools are secular.

Not sure about that actually. We had hymns and prayers at a non coe school and so do my kids.

But another question is how can a state sanction what kids can and can't be taught? Where does it stop? Bit totalitarian isn't it?

NB I do not support this school nor am I religious. This post is for the academic discussion. Pun not intended.

All state schools are secular.

Not sure about that actually

^^^ yes French, all state schools secular that's my understanding. The relogious schools are all private / hybrid

Religion should be a private matter for families to practice in their own time, if they choose to.

Then in that case it should be a private matter if they chose to send their kids to a religious school, which you may argue should be private only.

Ah yes, on re-reading that seems more likely.

Given that these exist for Christian fundamentalists, does that mean that similar schools exist for Jews and Muslims? Schools were the Torah or the Quran are the only thing to be studied?

What about the folk who want that sort of education for THEIR kids

We indoctrinate kids in many areas - no need to pretend that religion is any different.

All schools in France are secular. They have no issues with religious extremism, right ?

I believe the comment was about French state schools - no idea if it's correct though

*And even then, that's not entirely true in order to meet the compulsory schooling for all children requirement.

Only a minority of private schools in France have no contract with the state and can "do what they want" in terms of education*

Are they the lucky ones??

Are they the lucky ones??

National Curriculum standards should apply to all schools.