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I heard that if we vote for Brexit then the EU are going to take all the bridleways with them as part of the divorce proceedings.
As long as they don't take all the bridies.
Much as the OP is an ill thought-out troll (or maybe some kind of agenda pushing), I must say I found it predictably hilarious that PJM1974 managed to lever in accusations of racism, sexism and misogyny.
As Blackadder may have put it:
Re-arrange these words into a sentence - shooting/barrel/fish/in/a/like.
For the record I will be voting 'remain'. I'm not really emotionally committed either way, but to unpick all the details of our relationship with Europe and deal with them on a new basis will take DECADES to sort out and will inevitably lead to uncertainty. Uncertainty is almost always bad for the economy. If it bad for the economy it is bad for all of us.
#anythingforaquietlife
I've heard UKIP are banning 29ers and 27.5 as they're immigrant tyre sizes. All trails will have to be ridden on a rigid 26er made from steel.
dannyh, stop it, this is no time for cool headed reason, it is time for foaming at the mouth, civil war levels of hate for your neighbour and constant, [i]constant[/i] anger that anyone might have a different opinion to you.
A lot of folk don't realise how long it takes for major upheavals to actually manifest themselves in 'the real world'.
Despite all the metrics that come out about 'recovery' I reckon we have probably only seen about half of the corporate failures that can be attributed to the 07/08 crash actually happen yet. A lot of companies may well have been insulated as part of larger groups and have subsequently been sold on and now have to stand on their own two feet - until there is not enough cash in the business to pay the next load of rents then "pop".
British single track for British riders!
I will be henceforth appending "No 29ers, Immigrants or Dogs." signs to all FP in my local area.
It is a little one sided. It would be better if along with the 'might' statements we had the counter argument 'or it might not we just don't know'. Some of those mights are a little stretch - #3 for instance but quite why anyone would want continentals I don't know.
Still voting in though.
Just to show that the lines between left wing / right wing, authoritarian / libertarian etc are not as clear as many would like to believe......
Militant London dockers (one of the vanguards of the trade union movement) backing Enoch Powell in their own self-interest.
Militant London dockers (one of the vanguards of the trade union movement) backing Enoch Powell in their own self-interest.
and look at all the good it did them...
[url= http://www.unicycle.uk.com/blog/brexit-the-effect-on-a-british-business/ ]Unicycles will be more expensive after Brexit[/url]
Not really a stretch to think that bike bits will be the same...
7 reasons Brexit will be good for MTB/cycling.
1/ Fewer lesser* people will be able to afford cars so more people will cycle.
2/ Travel abroad will be more expensive so UK trail centers will thrive.
3/ Locally made products will be more competitive due to lower wages and the higher cost of imports. So all those British-made parts on your bike will cost less. If the Brexit had happened years ago I might have saved 10p on the head set spacer.
4/ There won't be any Polish plumbers to fix your central heating. You'll have healthy freezing showers all year round and save a fortune on your gas bill that you can blow on bikes.
5/ Those French kids that organised their séjour linguistique in London will go to Dublin instead so there won't be any of the little brats playing chicken with commuter cyclists on zebra crossings.
6/ Singletrack won't have to worry about any silly European laws.
7/ Your boss will be able to work you harder so you'll be too tired to ride your bike so you'll have a lower risk of over training or over-use injuries.
Whilst entirely tongue in cheek these arguments stand up to examination a lot better than some of the Out/in propaganda.
* stealth edit for sandwich
Whilst entirely tongue in cheek these arguments stand up to examination a lot better than some of the Out/in propaganda.
I'm sold.
Less people will be able to afford
There's some good irony right there.
Fewer, chap, fewer.
and look at all the good it did them...
Sort of the point I was trying to make - when it comes down to it a lot of the most vocal people are actually hypocritical when it comes to their own self-interest.
I would have also quoted Samuel Johnson if I hadn't known it would be seized upon.
"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel".
What he was actually getting at was [u]misappropriation[/u] of patriotism is the weapon of last resort for the scoundrel (but it doesn't sound quite as snappy as the original).
In this case I think it is patriotic to vote remain - because it is the best thing for the country (and what patriot wouldn't want that?)
[i]and look at all the good it did them... [/i]
Indeed.
Did the right thing during the Battle of Cable Street and 40 years later let fear overcome their decency.
[i]Bernard Kops was a young boy of 10 when Mosley and his supporters decided the best way of demonstrating their potency was to march through the heart of London's Jewish community in Cable Street on 4 October 1936.
He says for many of the older generation of Jews, like his parents, there was a growing sense of paranoia: "My mother said there were only two types of people in the world. Jews and Jew-haters.
"Of course, when Cable Street came along the Irish labourers and dockers came out and it was them that really made sure Mosley didn't get through.
"My mother and father really had to change their minds after that and accept that others did come to help us out." [/i]
.let fear overcome their decency
Or gave way to their inherent underlying prejudices.
It depends very much on how you spin that one.
Europe is the home of the white man.We are under attack from the horde in the east.
We need a strong secure homeland to protect the cradle of civilisation.
A vote In is a vote to protect the most persecuted race on the planet.
Is that right wing enough OP?
The tide of mechanisation and then globalisation made them irrelevant.
Europe is the home of the white man.We are under attack from the horde in the east.
We need a strong secure homeland to protect the cradle of civilisation.
A vote In is a vote to protect the most persecuted race on the planet.
You sure you're not Russian? 😉
clodhopper - He drove over his own head!
He ran over his own stomach because he had eaten three giant baked potatoes with cheese, tuna and mayonnaise.
Can we keep to the facts please.
As I've said before Turkey's voting for Christmas...
1) Turkey's largely moslem, so unlikely to vote for Christmas
2) Turkey's not in the EU so irrelevant here
How [i]will[/i] pedantry fare if we have a Brexit ?
Ahmm. Scaredypants.
Go back and redo your work. C minus.
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C minus.
very generous!
How will pedantry fare if we have a Brexit ?
I heard that Bru's'sel's want's to make apostrophe's compul'sory.
Théy'll bé insisting on funny littlé squigglés over léttérs soon.
Another take on the subject from Wide Open mag
[url= http://wideopenmag.co.uk/2016/06/eu-referendu-brexit-mean-mountain-bikers ]Wide Open[/url]
We can have shops specifically for it if we stay in but we have to change the spelling so it's a bit of a score draw on that front.
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I'm gratified that I presented an opportunity for amusement, had I known this at the time, I'd have gone the full Godwin.
or telling you not to go to Spain.
Phew that's a relief.
Want to come back on any of that, "Joe"?
Want to come back on any of that, "Joe"?
He's joined the Aryan Brotherhood of Single Speeders Forum, where he feels more at home.
Not to mention that the UK would be in a position to then reduce it's VAT as it sees fit.
Except our books still don't balance so tax cuts are unlikely (cat in hells chance).
And the UK is currently chosing to set its VAT rate 33% higher than the EU minimum (20% vs 15%), so how is removing the EU minimum going to affect anything at all?
Well put OP. Final straw for me, STW has been disappearing up its own arse for years.
Oi, Footflaps.
Leave us SSers out of this. I know we're weird, but still. 😯
We're more about suffering, excuses, lewd innuendo, and blatant knob gags. And drinking......
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Anyone else think that 'immigrant' is this decades racial slur?
ridethelakes - Member
Well put OP. Final straw for me, STW has been disappearing up its own arse for years.
Speaking of arses - door, way out, hit you in the... 😀
Well put OP. Final straw for me, STW has been disappearing up its own arse for years.
Other websites are available.
Final straw for me, STW has been disappearing up its own arse for years.
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Says it all really.
Do we have a flounce, going once, going twice....
It does. If Trump says yes, I say no. To anything. Odious man.
Final straw for me, STW has been disappearing up its own arse for years.
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I thought i'd give the express article about Trump a quick skim read. I got as far as "in his interview with Peirs Morgan"
Says it all really.
Yup. It says anyone who links to the express is Daily Mail reader is denial.
fin25 - MemberHow angry are you gonna be when they do the "7 reasons brexit will be good for MTB" article later on?
Reason 1: We can all spend £350 million per week on bikes!
Reason 2: We can also spend the same £350 million per week on trails!
Reason 3: The trails will all be smoother because just like the traffic on the M4, all the wear is caused my immigrants
Reason 4: Sovereignty!!1!
Reason 5: Bob Geldof is a ****
Reason 6: Smog. Well it didn't make any sense in the first article either
Reason 7: It'll really annoy THM
I'm for remain - but that article is dreadful - sensible for bike journos to stick to their knitting.
fin25 - MemberI'm VERY left wing (as in, I think the Guardian is a puppet of the establishment, left wing) and I might well be voting out
You must be one of these people which jambalaya described as 'further left than lefty'.
I thought it was just me.
@dannyhI'm gratified that I presented an opportunity for amusement, had I known this at the time, I'd have gone the full Godwin.
I'm glad you feel gratified - I just found it a bit strange that you immediately steamed in with all the usual 'isms' - even though you are probably barking up the right tree. It would have done your cause much better to actually pick the OP up on what was said rather than giving in to the usual tribal mud slinging. In doing so you then open yourself up to being portrayed as a 'sandal-wearing, lentil-munching, hand-wringing lefty' or whatever is the current stereotype peddled by the likes of the Mail/Express/Beano/Dandy etc.
I'm for remain - but that article is dreadful - sensible for bike journos to stick to [s]their knitting[/s] [b]printing press releases verbatim[/b].FTFY
You may make whatever assumptions about my online persona as you please.
In part, I took exception to the OP's expressed view "[i]...Firstly the constant prissiness about women in maxxis catalogues etc...[/i]" - it's probably fair to assume that the author is not female. There's been a number of pretty offensive replied to the STW social media feed on this subject, which have become rather tiresome IMHO.
Then there's "[i]If I wanted to read a self-righteous left wing tabloid, I could go on the Guardian and cry myself fragile little self to sleep at night[/i]" which can fairly be described as tribal.
As I said before, feel free to apply whatever stereotype you feel appropriate, it's a public forum and so far as I'm concerned, my posts abide by the moderator's rules.
Fair enough - the OP was deliberately confrontational so lowering yourself to the level to have a pop back is understandable even if it does the debate few favours.
So, do 'lefties' still wear socks under their sandals? 😉
For the sake of maintaining any assumptions about my online persona I'm going to say that we tend to wear Fair Trade baseball boots these days, as sandals, socks AND lentils can prove to be an uncomfortable combination.
dannyh - MemberSo, do 'lefties' still wear socks under their sandals?
if:
A) it's cold
and
B) my wife isn't looking
then yes.
much more sensible than wearing socks [i]over[/i] my sandals, that would just be stupid.
Reason 7: It'll really annoy THM
But really please Jambalaya
Hmmm...
I guess I'm now undecided
Joe - Member
Kind of sick of the pathetic self righteousness that the magazine seems to be pressing at the moment. Firstly the constant prissiness about women in maxxis catalogues etc. and now you're trying to ram remain down our throats, by some spurious link to cycling.
Joe does mummy and daddy know youre on the internet, ask them to explain internet discussions and views to you.
Yeah, come on Joe, come back to us, it's boring arguing amongst ourselves...
I'm fed up of Facts!!! "Give us Facts" cry out the stupid ones. "We need to be told how to vote with facts". "Their Facts are better than your facts". "I dont believe his facts".
Its a load of rubbish. There are no facts. We are talking about the future. So therefore those Facts have not been created yet. Everything else is conjecture. Please engage your brains and decide on the important issues, the big picture.
Europe will be different in the future with or without us. There is no Status Quo. You can not vote for more of the same. Europe is traveling in a direction you need to think about that and give the future of this Country serious thought.
The problem is that I know very few people who can think complex issues through clearly. So therefore the quality of the debate has been poor
Not every vote leaver is a racist. But every racist is going to vote leave. Billy Bragg
Sums the whole debate up for me
Joe, I find it quite strange for the magazine to publish such a piece with a limp attempt to link the areferendum to mountain biking.
If they had wished to publish something it should IMO have had balanced views from both sides
The front page poll is 80% Remain and 14% Leave so perhaps they feel the piece is representative of its readership. What the poll does show is that the readership is very much not reflective of the country more broadly
Not every vote leaver is a racist. But every racist is going to vote leave. Billy Bragg
Well if you hate black people, Indians, ****stanis, Asians and Latin Americans voting Remain will ensure it stays harder for them to come to this country.
Bollocks would it - they aren't going to make it easier for those people to come in, they've been making it harder. And the conservatives will continue to make it harder.
richmtb - Member
Reason 7: It'll really annoy THM
But really please JambalayaHmmm...
I guess I'm now undecided
Tres amusant 😀
Not every vote leaver is a racist. But every racist is going to vote leave. Billy BraggSums the whole debate up for me
But is it actually true?
If we stop all these white Europeans coming over to do our menial jobs isn't it going to mean that we are going to have to once again rely on black people from places like India and Africa?
Who would you prefer to clean your house.......a nice white Polish girl, or a big black Jamaican?
If I was a racist I'd be in quite a dilemma. If there's one thing that can be said about the EU is that it tends to keep black people out of the UK.
Not every vote leaver is a racist. But every racist is going to vote leave. Billy Bragg
Sums the whole debate up for meBut is it actually true?
If we stop all these white Europeans coming over to do our menial jobs isn't it going to mean that we are going to have to once again rely on black people from places like India and Africa?
Who would you prefer to clean your house.......a nice white Polish girl, or a big black Jamaican?
If I was a racist I'd be in quite a dilemma. If there's one thing that can be said about the EU is that it tends to keep black people out of the UK.
You forgot to start this with I'm not being racist but.....
Racist people are, essentially, stupid people.
Society won't allow them to hate black people (at least in public), but there's nothing wrong with being "concerned about all these EU migrants".
For many people, this "concern" about migration is a proxy for being racist.
Also, I work in the care industry, about 30% of our staff are from Africa, I don't think being a member of the EU has any bearing on the amount of Africans in the UK. This doesn't stop most of the white British staff talking to the Africans (many of them doing masters and Phd's on student Visas) like they are idiots though.
Not sure about what point i'm making, but I agree with Billy Bragg.
You forgot to start this with .......
I didn't forget anything. So......would a racist prefer a nice white Polish girl or a big black Jamaican to clean their house?
What do you think? I'm not sure.
tedious?
the only thing that's been tedious has been the complete and utter BS in the mainstream press and on farcebook etc.
actually quite refreshing to read something that talks about how some thing may or may not be affected.
now as a Brit, making good use of EU freedoms, when it is decided that I am no longer eligible to do my job, I have 2 choices...
1. go back home and steal all your jobs
2. go back home and claim benefits while surfing STW all day
which shall it be?
You forgot to start this with I'm not being racist
EU freedom of movement is fundamentally racist, it selects based purely on nationality.
I have no doubt whatsoever that ernie is not a racist, he was making a point
What do you think? I'm not sure.
your guess would be far better qualified than mine.
I didn't forget anything. So......would a racist prefer a nice white Polish girl or a big black Jamaican to clean their house?
Is the choice only between racist stereotypes?
I didn't forget anything. So......would a racist prefer a nice white Polish girl or a big black Jamaican to clean their house?
I think the racists you're referring to don't want either, but can only publicly complain about one of them.
Blah blah yadda yadda I N R A T S jumped to end of thread for a belated Chapeau for PercyPanther's brakesit.
Oh, and French rubber. Obvs.
I think the racists you're referring.........
What racists am I referring to? Racism includes all sorts of racists, including the Poles who come over here and complain about black people, black British people. And they think that because I'm white I'll agree with them.
Personally I think that some of the pro-EU sentiments stinks of racism.
Personally I think that some of the pro-EU sentiments stinks of racism.
Please explain, Ernie. I've been struggling with a lot of the stuff on this thread but here I'm completely lost.
Nothing to explain really. Some people have a problem with black people from hot countries but not quite the same problem with white non-British EU nationals.
And if I don't have a problem with either am I still allowed to be pro-EU?
Vote stay if you like your foreigners with whiter skin. (there are no black european people obvs)
Vote Leave if you like foreign people with darker skin...........Hang on
If you are not a massive racist just vote based on whether you think Europe is alright or not.
And if I don't have a problem with either am I still allowed to be pro-EU?
I don't know ask Billy Bragg. He seems to think that he knows how people vote depending on whether or not they're racist.
Personally I'm not convinced his formula is quite as foolproof as some people apparently think it is.
But that's just my opinion, perhaps he's right.
EU freedom of movement is fundamentally racist, it selects based purely on nationality.
You do know there is a difference between Race and Nationality?
It's a bit like the difference between being Anti-Semetic and not approving of Israel's treatment of Palestine, subtle but very important.
Unfortunately Billy Bragg is now a curmudgeonly old **** who will take any opportunity, no matter how obtuse, to shoehorn his dogmatic view in. He is rapidly becoming a self-parody, the 'lefty' David Starkey. No matter what the context they bang the same old drum.
This is a shame. I really love 'A New England'.
Swings and roundabouts.
Joe is either on the naughty step, or mummy and daddy have sent him to bed and switched off the router