[Closed] This magazine's tedious political agenda.

In reference to this ludicrous piece:

http://singletrackmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/7-reasons-brexit-would-be-bad-for-mountain-bikers/

all seems reasonable comment to me.

you may not agree with some of the statements - which are factually wrong do you think?

I assume you're now boycotting and writing to any company that has made a public statement on it's pro/anti leave stance?

[edit] sorry - why do you think being pro-remain is left wing? Unless you're so far right *everyone* appears left wing there's a lot of Tories who think exit is a mistake too?

You don't pay to use the site so feel free to walk away if you don't like what the owners choose to do with it would be my advice.

Can you clarify which bits are ludicrous?

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seems quite balanced to me ....

Well I'm sick of it all and what I interpret as project fear from both sides. Its been a race to the bottom.

poor rant. 2/10.
must try harder.

Well I'm sick of it all and what I interpret as project fear from both sides. Its been a race to the bottom.

Did you really expect anything less?

will effect

lol

I doubt the magazine owners would give a flying **** if you were so distraught that the door hit you on the way out.

Rorschach

🙂

Although the 1st one was pretty good too!

will effect
lol

But you did get what he meaned, right ?

It's political correctness gone mad! What we need is someone straight talking to take on the Establishment and put these Lefty Liberals back in their box.

If I wanted to read a self-righteous left wing tabloid

Wait. Wanting to stay in Europe is "left wing" ??

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So, can anyone explain which parts of that article aren't true?

Wait. Wanting to stay in Europe is "left wing" ??

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The bits he does'nt like

Another name added to the watch list at the Gretna Green Passport Control checkpoint....

Its been a race to the bottom

Only for the downhillers.

Is there not a more right wing mountain biking magazine out there more suited to your tastes that disrespects women and has a ear of foreigners?

With any luck you will be able to get access to the content for free and able to slag them off at the same time

Dude are you lost?

Daily Mail is over there >>>

They're pointing how it may effect mountain biking, that seems to fair to write about in a mountain bike website. I'm not sure they're ramming it down your throat or telling you not to go to Spain. They're also not saying you won't be able to buy over priced and marketed snack bars.

The article forgets to mention that Rubber may be more expensive but Hope products will potentially be cheaper. Aluminium will not be hit with such massive import duties.

Also bikes and bike parts imported could well be cheaper as they are currently hit with massive import duties into the EU. As we don't really have a home grown bike industry of any such size, unlike the Germans and Dutch, there isn't such an incentive to put these duties in place or keep them so high. So bikes and parts from all our favourite manufacturers might tumble in price. "Bicycles made in China carry an additional (anti dumping) duty of 48.5 %."

Ah, through all the piles of bullshit being poured into the argument from both sides, the few facts that remain all say that remaining is the only sensible thing to do.

Brexiters don't like facts, they use "common sense", gut feeling, but mostly fear of foreigners.

@Joe offer a counter arguement, or simply avoid the sub 5% of content on here that's about the EU.

Here we go again with miketually using sexy young blondes to sell us something

I'm VERY left wing (as in, I think the Guardian is a puppet of the establishment, left wing) and I might well be voting out (though I will probably spoil my paper as I don't want either option really).

As far as I'm aware this magazine can publish what it likes?
No?

Would you have complained had they done a pro-brexit article?

The article forgets to mention that Rubber may be more expensive but Hope products will potentially be cheaper. Aluminium will not be hit with such massive import duties.

How much of Hope's business is exporting to the EU? What effect will losing some of that business have on their business?

All the major bicycle brake manufacturers might pull out of the European market.....
Vote no to Brakesit 😉

They're also not saying you won't be able to buy over priced and marketed snack bars.

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Brexiters don't like facts, they use "common sense", gut feeling, but mostly fear of foreigners.

Gordon Brown has a word for them....

I will probably spoil my paper as I don't want either option really

Option 3: Shake It All About

Option 3: Shake It All About

...but what if that is REALLY what it's all about?

lol @ 'More expensive rubber'

Right that's it, the wife's on the pill if brexit wins.

Right that's it, the wife's on the pill if brexit wins.

Ten months too late jekyll 😀

The Guardian isn't particularly leftwing. It has attempted loads of hatchet jobs on people like Corbyn and Vanessa Redgrave over their attitudes towards Palestine.

I love a good thread derailing

(which makes you all derailleurs - well done)

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Ready, Folks!

place your bets Please!!!

OP - I assume that you're an Old White Guy, much like me?

I don't know about you, but I don't want the pastime I love to be all about other OWGs, I quite like the idea of some inclusivity too and I'm not averse to sharing the trails with people who would otherwise be put off with the overwhelming OWGness of it all.

I also have nieces, who enjoy getting out on their bikes. It pains me to think that the very best that the industry could do for them is to cynically sell them a pink frame at a cost premium and then to peddle a stream of scantily clad glamour models draped over bikes as the ideal that female mountain bikers should look up to. Seriously, it's not the 1970s - if you're one of the Neanderthals on the STW facebook feed who posts stuff like "only ugly women complain about this sort of thing", then perhaps you need to go away and find another publication that fits your worldview. If you're not a knuckledragger, then perhaps try applying some empathy to the issue, putting the testosterone in the back seat for a minute.

As for those who want to go abroad and enjoy their bikes, the prospect of Brexit does pose a few very real issues - in the short term the pound isn't doing particularly well, but in the long term there's issues like reciprocal healthcare between post Brexit Britain and EU member states which anyone would do well to be aware of.

Best to put the tinfoil hat away, eh?

I agree with the op re the mags eu article, it was hardly a balanced bit of journalism.

It can obviously print what it likes within reason,but that's (Imo) a fairly low quality bit of journalism

What would be embarrassing for Joe is if he'd used this forum to promote his own political agenda, say with a topic about his own little petition to keep those nasty foreigners from investing in property.

a fairly low quality bit of journalism

........whereas the sun front page from the other day wasn't?

I dont get it?

2 things stand out

1. It is a forum, people get hurt (emotionally)

2. Once you discover the agenda stop reading.

The article forgets to mention that Rubber may be more expensive but Hope products will potentially be cheaper. Aluminium will not be hit with such massive import duties.

I think your logic is a bit off, the pound will be worth less than it is now so unless we process our own Aluminum the materials cost will go up, which will need to be passed onto the consumer.

However wages should go down, due to the recession and the ability to remove some our employment rights foisted on us the EU; so that might offset the materials increase as I suspect materials are only a very small part of the cost.

So if you still have a job, then yes Hope parts might be cheaper, and if you don't have a job or a woman, or disabled or injured, or sick then I doubt you will care.

The quality of the air wont go down as the prevailing wind is North Easterly in my parts and so tends not to come from Europe(selfish I know).

But I reckon he'd be right about the jobs, scarey that bit. I reckon MTB 'guide'/ Ski chalet 'slave' will be low on the Brexit negotiating list.

Yeah, pesky lefty liberal Guardian...

[url= http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/14/left-reject-eu-greece-eurosceptic ]The left must put Britain's EU withdrawal on the agenda (14 July 2015)[/url]

[url= http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/16/brexit-eu-referendum-boris-johnson-greece-tory ] The leftwing case for Brexit (16th May 2016)[/url]

[url= http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/17/a-closer-look-at-the-leftwing-case-for-brexit ]A closer look at the leftwing case for Brexit (Guardian, 17th May 2016)[/url]

OK I'll have a go...

pathetic self righteousness

constant prissiness about women in maxxis catalogues

trying to ram remain down our throats

I'll clarify the debate

effect

self-righteous left wing tabloid, I could go on the Guardian

cry myself fragile little self to sleep at night.

3/10 - no shouty capitals, nothing about immigrants.

What would be embarrassing for Joe is if he'd used this forum to promote his own political agenda, say with a topic about his own little petition to keep those nasty foreigners from investing in property.

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What would be embarrassing for Joe is if he'd used this forum to promote his own political agenda, say with a topic about his own little petition to keep those nasty foreigners from investing in property.

He'd never do such a thing would he?

He comes across as such a reasonable well balanced kind of person.

Still he's up this month's "jambalaya best ignorance of the facts" award: http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/anders-breivik-makes-the-case-for-brexit

Clickbaity headline but the article's more reasoned. Smog sounds like bollocks.

I'm sure people would respond to the BPW/7 Stanes part "But we could spend the £350m on that instead". But the UK governments are not investing in trails, in fact they're cutting back. I see nothing to suggest that'd change.

Drac - Moderator

What would be embarrassing for Joe is if he'd used this forum to promote his own political agenda, say with a topic about his own little petition to keep those nasty foreigners from investing in property.

It's not really a "nasty foreigners" thing that, property speculation is a huge problem regardless of who it is that's doing it.

joe - did you read the article?

singletrack has the right to write journalism..its a little bit their job..

i live in switzerland, so we are not in the eu... and i tell you its a pain in the arse for alot of things.. silly little things, but also work wise it aint so great..!

oh and prissiness re: maxxis girls? really? you find that kind of thing ok? i applaud stw's approach to that..

Smog seems tenuous; but they are right EU regulations have made beaches much cleaner around by me.

Well one thing is for sure, the politicians aren't going to give us any facts to works with. No that would never do. The prols having meaningful information on which to base a decision? Ha!

The front page article in question actually highlights my reasons for voting Stay whereas all the other stuff gives me reasons to vote Leave. It's why I'm currently undecided as mountain biking here in Wales has gained an awful lot from EU membership.
If it wasn't for EU funding Afan/Glyncorrwg would be unknown to most riders and any mention of CYB would me met with quizzical looks. The industrial unit used by Mojo and the previous home of Loco were built using EU grants, I don't know if they would have found alternative homes but a ready supply of cheap units probably helped. Without this base of Trail Centres and local MTB-based businesses would BPW or Antur Stiniog come into existence? BPW might but on a smaller scale (no big building probably) so would not be the same.

It was actually nice to read an article that stuck to facts without throwing mud around the place.

singletrack has the right to write journalism..its a little bit their job..

Hard to call that article journalism, take the first point about the EHIC card it isn't a substitute for travel insurance. From the NHS website:

[i]The EHIC is not an alternative to travel insurance. It will not cover any private medical healthcare or costs, such as mountain rescue in ski resorts, being flown back to the UK, or lost or stolen property. It is also not valid on cruises.[/i]

Everyone knows that the good Contis are the ones made in Germany. If we end up with the EU slapping trade tariffs on us, the price of things made in the EU will go up.

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And without the right to paid holiday - won in a large part thanks to the EU, fewer of us would be seen on the trails during the week.

I may be speculating here, but anyone else case to argue the toss that that our evil Tory overlords aren't slavering over the prospect of rewriting the legislation to force us to work harder, in return for less?

Perhaps, post Brexit the trails around Wales might be a tad quieter during those dry Summer weekdays?

dragon - Member

Hard to call that article journalism, take the first point about the EHIC card it isn't a substitute for travel insurance

The article doesn't say it is; in fact it discusses insurance too.

Hope products will potentially be cheaper. Aluminium will not be hit with such massive import duties.

Cheaper if you're buying from abroad, more expensive if you're buying with pounds in the UK.

It's not really a "nasty foreigners" thing that, property speculation is a huge problem regardless of who it is that's doing it.

I thought the humour would be obvious. I guess not.

About 13 million women in work are protected from discrimination as a result of equality legislation; 340,000 women receive paid maternity leave each year in the UK. In addition, 1.6 million people on temporary contracts now have the same rights as permanent workers. That’s an awful lot of people protected, and yet the Brexiters scoff at those rights.

The employment minister, Priti Patel, a prominent Tory Brexiter, has called them a burden and would like to halve them. Boris Johnson said it was “very disappointing” that Britain had not made “changes to employment law”, complaining that we “need to weigh in on all that stuff, all that social chapter stuff”.

Boris has already talked about a bonfire of rights and Gove *loves* pro-business reform.

As I've said before Turkey's voting for Christmas...

If we end up with the EU slapping trade tariffs on us, the price of things made in the EU will go up. Oh, and step away from the rosebikes.de site, that stuff will only get held at customs and you’ll have to pay import duty (as with packages from the US).

A bundle of non-sequiturs and lack of understanding of duty tariff there...

It does not automatically follow that an EU tariff on goods IMPORTED into the EU from UK will lead to reciprocal tariffs on all goods going the other way. Tariffs are often product class specific.

Also, in the absence of a trade agreement, the likelihood is that any tariffs on imports TO the UK FROM EU might attract the default World Trade 4% duty rate (as we do for US goods)

Not to mention that the UK would be in a position to then reduce it's VAT as it sees fit (which it cant do now). A highly regressive tax. Even when applied to carbon MTBS 🙂

The EHIC is not an alternative to travel insurance. It will not cover ... lost or stolen property.

Anyone who thought the European health care insurance also covered their bags getting nicked is a special kind of stupid. 😀

As I've said before Turkey's voting for Christmas...

very much so, the low paid will lose rights and be worse off post Brexit - a double whammy. The rich will carry on being rich and the rest of us will muddle through.

my EHIC wasnt much help this winter when I ran over my own thumb with my skis in Morzine. The town clinic is a private one so I had to pay for it myself and it's not recoverable.

So, can anyone explain which parts of that article aren't true?

Probably the bits with "might" "unlikely" or "could" as opposed to "will"

So thats:
1. Visiting Europe
2. The Guiding Job
5. Smog
6. BPW
7. Regulations

Passport control at Gretna .... really ?

One of the few Brexit certainties is 2 yrs of uncertainties / negotiations...

my EHIC wasnt much help this winter when I ran over my own thumb with my skis in Morzine.

Is that because stupidity is excluded? 😉

Not to mention that the UK would be in a position to then reduce it's VAT as it sees fit.

Except our books still don't balance so tax cuts are unlikely (cat in hells chance).

EHIC card is such a red herring, I mean do you not go mtbing elsewhere in the world e.g. USA, just because they don't have one or similar?

1. Visiting Europe - pretty much irrelevant point
2. The Guiding Job - brexit would impact here no doubt
5. Smog - rubbish
6.BPW - yes EU funds were used to build, would a UK government fund similar in future that is unknown.
7. Regulations - impossible to say IMO. The UK have brought in some regs before the EU and in fact in some cases the EU ones are simply blander versions of the original UK one, other case are the other way around. For me I don't think this is clear cut either way.

Is that because stupidity is excluded?

and rightly so. No one should have to subsidise my clutziness.

my EHIC wasnt much help this winter when I ran over my own thumb with my skis in Morzine. The town clinic is a private one so I had to pay for it myself and it's not recoverable.

I put a ski through my shin (to the bone) in Zermatt. 350 Euros for 3 stitches and a Tetanus jab!

when I ran over my own thumb with my skis in Morzine

like some kind of middle class Brian Harvey!

well we've ascertained that at least two of us shouldnt be allowed on snow unaccompanied.

However, for those who've not yet tried out their EHIC card in anger, an illustration that's it's not quite the same as rocking up at UK A&E with a brake lever in your thigh and getting a free new leg.

"like some kind of middle class Brian Harvey!"

😆

He drove over his own head! 😮

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However, for those who've not yet tried out their EHIC card in anger, an illustration that's it's not quite the same as rocking up at UK A&E with a brake lever in your thigh and getting a free new leg.

To be fair as we're leading Europe in Diabetes, we're going to have a huge pile of spare legs knocking about after all the amputations, so giving them away free is cost neutral to the NHS....

So which way do I have to vote if I don't want to have to swap my brake levers over?

How angry are you gonna be when they do the "7 reasons brexit will be good for MTB" article later on?

(Though we all know they prob wont)

So which way do I have to vote if I don't want to have to swap my brake levers over?

Presumably Brexit, I can only imagine the current setting is due to some kind of bureaucratic decree handed down from Brussels like the rest of the laws in the UK. Somewhat of a paradoxical situation, vote exit and you'll be like the rest of Europe before you know it!

So which way do I have to vote if I don't want to have to swap my brake levers over?

#fixieit