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Getting a bit relentless at the mo.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/25/tokyo-knife-attack-stabbing-sagamihara
Crazy ****ing Muslims
Crazy **** Muslims
Well done. No really. Who cares if people have died as long as you can win some internet points.
WTF are you on about Yunki? Unless I've completely misunderstood, you've just made a best effort to come across as a massive prick. Well done.
oh, so these people are more important than the thousands of brown people that are dying due to one thing and another around the world bonghoohaha?
****ing hypocrite
everything is the fault of the muslims is it?
NO!
Everything is the fault of psychopaths no matter which colour and creed, and posting about some random unexpected act in a random unexpected place does NOT give you the moral high ground
Sorry if my post was callous, but Yeah, I'm trying to score internet points at the moment..
There are many among us pointing the finger, so if I choose to use your thread to make a point, you're gonna havta live with it, it's you're thread after all
Murder is murder. The sooner we stop allowing people to legitimise it in the name of whatever belief the better.
You realise that Japan isn't a Muslim country and that religion hasn't even been mooted as a possible motive?
yes alpha
oh, so these people are more important than the thousands of brown people that are dying due to one thing and another around the world bonghoohaha?**** hypocrite
everything is the fault of the muslims is it?
NO!
Everything is the fault of psychopaths no matter which colour and creed, and posting about some random unexpected act in a random unexpected place does NOT give you the moral high ground
Sorry if my post was callous, but Yeah, I'm trying to score internet points at the moment..
There are many among us pointing the finger, so if I choose to use your thread to make a point, you're gonna havta live with it, it's you're thread after all
Like I said. Well done. Spend your internet points wisely. You've earned them.
So your comment of "crazy **** Muslims" just makes you look like you're jumping to conclusions and thinking that behind every murderous crime is a Muslim. Which is pretty offensive.
Or have I got completely the wrong end of the stick...?
Or have I got completely the wrong end of the stick...
I wouldn't worry about it, Alpha. Both ends of the stick have dog poo on them at this point.
**** you bongohaaa
you know what my post was about.. it was about the the fact that crazy bastards will attack people regardless of their motives, and too many people people are blaming muslims so to attack me for my comment was bent
waah internet points
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yeah sorry alpha... you have completely got the wrong end of the stick
Whatever mate...
I'm going to presume that this is a continuance of some spat that you two have had elsewhere and that you're not as rascist and aggressive as you're currently coming across.
just satire.... SATIRE
miss placed I guess
my bad
as you were
there are huge arguments elsewhere on this forum claiming that all psychotic attacks around the world have their basis in Islam, and I find that view vile and repugnant
this thread was a clear indication that psychos are psychos regardless of their beliefs... I took the opportunity to make a point and bonghaaa took umbrage
you're right
bedtime
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SO OP do you think this thread has helped?
I know what you mean and I know what yunki meant
**** you bongohaaa
Well...I might have to deduct some of your internet points.
Not all of them of course. I am not a monster.
I took the opportunity to make a point and bonghaaa took umbrage
If by umbrage you mean I started hurling personal insults and swearing at people, then I guess I did. I'm sorry, I don't know what came over me.
Have they settled down now?
Anyway..news yes it's [url= https://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/apr/12/news-is-bad-rolf-dobelli ]Brain Poison [/url] innit.
Murder is murder. The sooner we stop allowing people to legitimise it in the name of whatever belief the better.
I don't understand that. Who is allowed to legitimise it? And what can we do apart from making it illegal?
Even our foreign Secretary did what Yunkibwas alluding to last week
I don't understand that. Who is allowed to legitimise it? And what can we do apart from making it illegal?
ernie - see the difference in the US between "Just another mass shooting" and terrorism and the reaction it gets. There are double standards across the world when it comes to this stuff. Add religion into it and we get terrorism include the entire religion as implicated. Where as without that a lot of these events are the work of somebody who decided they wanted to kill people.
There is (to my mind) much to be said for avoiding daily news, especially on the television.
I am happy to report that the sense of horrifying dread that grips you when you watch awful news-headlines scrolling across the screen evaporates to a large extent if you just spend a few hours reading a weekly instead. I miss some stuff, but a lot of what I miss is awful stuff that I can't do a thing about. Things that neither I nor anyone else I can do anything about are high on the list of things that it's not worth knowing too much about at breakfast time.
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[i]There is (to my mind) much to be said for avoiding daily news, especially on the television[/i].. etc.
Exactly how I feel BD.
Charlie Brooker does some good stuff about this. And Chris Morris.
I avoid most of the news. Headlines are enough, I don't need the detail. Some 3 year old was killed by it's parents - why do I need to know [i]how[/i] they did it? (just an example)
Well I understood yunki's post. I think!
OP reasonable question to ask. As Big Dummy said there is an argument for avoiding daily news, maybe just catching up on big stuff once a week. There is a news magazine called The Week which gives you a good summary. In the "old days" before the internet most of us went on holiday and never looked at the news or bought an English newspaper.
Personally I like to keep up with events and spend hours every day reading various sources inc original source documents and alternative internet sources. However, I do see an argument for an alternative way
Yunki's point was made well. That's exactly the angle news organisations go for until proven otherwise that Muslims weren't involved and then it becomes a non story.
Like that 18 year on lad in Germany that went on a shooting spree. Once they realised he had no links to "terror" and had just flipped, they lost interest. "Oh, that's alright then" kind of attitude to mass murder.
Lone crazy person with no terrorist links, or crazy extremist terrorists, they're all people suffering from mental health issues. The latter group often have issues, feeling of isolation, feeling repressed, depression or lack of belonging and get swept up and obsessed with extreme ideologies.
ernie_lynch - Member
I don't understand that. Who is allowed to legitimise it? And what can we do apart from making it illegal?
Not necessarily this case in Japan, but while we continue to refer to other such events as 'terrorism' rather than 'mass murder' we continue IMO to give them some legitimacy as terrorists are seen as ideologically driven rather than just psychopathic. Killing for a cause (even one we may not agree with) has very different connotations to killing just because you want a load of innocent people dead.
This type of labelling also clearly fuels (as referred to above in this thread) stereotyping and prejudice.
At the risk of referring to the original article and attempting to satirise that...
Was it Glenn Hoddle?Man armed with knives attacks facility in Sagamihara, outside Tokyo, before telling police: ‘It is better that disabled people disappear’
while we continue to refer to other such events as 'terrorism' rather than 'mass murder' we continue IMO to give them some legitimacy
Ah ok. Personally I have never thought terrorism was legitimate or that reporting it as such legitimizes it, specially as it is so very clearly illegal. Obviously you think it does to an extent and now I understand your point.
I understood yunki's point.
My knees are correctly aligned too.
Wonder how the murderer will enjoy spending the rest if his days surrounded by the mentally ill?
Are people really to stupid to get yunkis post !?
Good to see how Yunki's point went whizzing right over peoples heads. Hopefully once the penny drops a few might even apologise to him.
Yunki's post was indistinguishable from the thing it was trying to have a go at so, point not well made imo. Satire needs people to realise you're not just being a *, especially when there's lots of people actually being *s in exactly the same way. But we got there in the end.
Rolling news just means you hear about things you wouldn't have in the past. You can take various approaches to this; some folks would say we're being terrorised, some would say we've turned murder into entertainment, some would say it's better to be more informed, others would say we're not informed at all, we're just basking. And plenty of other opinions. Who knows what's really right, but, what's definitely true is that we hear about things we wouldn't have done in the past, and in more detail, and faster, and with photos and cellphone videos. It's easy to be overwhelmed.
Was Yunki's post really appropriate to someone saying "There's a lot of bad stuff on the news"? If so, then I don't get it either. Stupid me.
I'd skip so-called debate threads on Internet forums instead mate.
"There's a lot of bad stuff on the news"? If so, then I don't get it either. Stupid me.
More related the link and a more in depth (if simply expressed) comment on the state of headline reporting that goes on. I watch and read a lot of news but I also try and avoid the sensationalist stuff and look more in depth. It's important to know what is going on, the headline/soundbite news is a product of those consuming it, wanting their opinions formed and formulated for instant conversation/judgement when you get to work or so that you can respond and know what flag to put over your facebook profile picture this week.
I actually thought to myself, just as I turned on the screen this morning, "I wonder what today's atrocity story is?"
And there it was....
I'd skip so-called debate threads on Internet forums instead mate.
They're on the list.
What pissed on my chips is that I am aware Yunki's posts was a bleed over from these threads. I try and avoid them to a degree, so to see this thread becoming another one of their [vicious] circle jerks was somewhat perturbing.
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-36891829 ]Now this...[/url]
Apologies dez man no offence intended
I just can't be doing with the rush to be offended that seems to be becoming a modern illness
Well...
I apologise for going off on one, and maybe my first comment was clumsy (it made perfect sense in my head)
What I really can't stand though, is being told to have some respect for the deceased
Condescending grief athletics imho
lets call it quits though.. we all seem to be singing from the same hymn sheet
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36892785 ]And this...[/url]
Early reports say two men entered the church shouting "Daesh" before taking hostages then beheading a priest.
Probably militant atheists.
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Seems odd, I thought Daesh was a term that was specifically being used to name this bunch of nutters because they hate it; why call themselves by a name they loathe?
Apologies dez man no offence intended
I just can't be doing with the rush to be offended
One place I'll never be offended is on the chat forum 🙂
6 months ago I moved desks at work and now have a television directly above my desk with Sky News on constantly, thankfully with subtitles rather than sound, but it has definitely affected my mental well being.
It is a constant, never ending cycle of police shootings, terrorists, global warming, terrorists, pollution of the oceans, terrorists, child abusers, economic doom and gloom etc, punctuated with an occasional day off when a celebrity dies.
theotherjonvSeems odd, I thought Daesh was a term that was specifically being used to name this bunch of nutters because they hate it; why call themselves by a name they loathe?
IIRC the offense caused by the term is due to mispronunciation because of it's similarity to some derogatory term or other. Like Toyota MR2 in France or something.
But I guess we better not jump to any conclusions.
On the Bernie Ecclestone story, I don't think we are looking for criminal masterminds here. Although my maths might be wrong.
The kidnappers have demanded the ransom, a record amount for an abduction in Brazil, be paid in pounds sterling and divided into four bags of cash
so. 28 million / 4 = 7 million. Let's be generous and say all in £50 notes, so 140000 notes
50 pound note = 1.21 grams, times that by 140000 = 169400 grams, or 169.4kg
There you go buddy, treat yourself getting away with that - and that's just one of the four bags
Yunki,
I apologise for going off on one, and maybe my first comment was clumsy (it made perfect sense in my head)
Ok, looks like we've concluded we're fighting the same argument on the same side here! I took your original comment to mean that you were blaming Muslims despite having absolutely no basis for it, when in fact you were trying to satirise that very same knee jerk reaction which, I agree, seems to be all too common at the moment. The best satire is subtle, yours was just a bit too subtle for some (me) to get. Apologies if you took offence to me saying you were coming across as a bit of a prick; it wasn't a handwringing rush to be the first to be offended but rather an attempt to confront (what I thought to be) blatant rascism.
Friends again?!
[i]..an attempt to confront (what I thought to be) blatant rascism.[/i]
From yunki? On STW? 😆
alpha - don't worry about it 🙂
I'm very glad that you were confronting racism.. I was much more offended by your insinuation that I may have been drunk (I was actually very very drunk)
Ahhh....I see why some people (those who know Yunki not to be a rascist) understood the satire of the original comment, whilst others (those didn't know him to be quite the opposite or me) took it at face value. Internet strikes again!
Yunki's point was made well. That's exactly the angle news organisations go for until proven otherwise that Muslims weren't involved and then it becomes a non story.
There's some truth in that, I think. I note that the Japanese atrocity disappeared from the headlines with undue haste. I also note that where the victims of Islamist terrorism are Muslim (as is usually the case), the media response is little better than a shrug of the shoulders.
Drunk?! I figured as much but deleted the comment in case you had some underlying problem about which I was unaware!
ernie_lynch - MemberAh ok. Personally I have never thought terrorism was legitimate or that reporting it as such legitimizes it, specially as it is so very clearly illegal. Obviously you think it does to an extent and now I understand your point.
On reflection I now understand colournoise'd point better, and I actually agree with it.
For example Lee Rigby's murders are often referred to as terrorists when I think referring to them as simply murders, or even psychopaths, might be more appropriate. It would to an extent de-legitimize them, after all they weren't fighting for anything. They were just murders who used an alleged cause to justify their need to kill someone.
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BTW I thought Yunki's point was brilliantly but brutally made. Too brutal for the sensitivities of STW imo.
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DezB - MemberOne place I'll never be offended is on the chat forum
Well there's a least one person on here who thinks the same as me.
Refuse to have a drink when I offer to buy you one and I might be offended. Call me a **** and I couldn't give a monkeys.
BTW I thought Yunki's point was brilliantly but brutally made. Too brutal for the sensitivities of STW imo.
Not really. If anything it was just too on the nose.
We get it. You believe the media/STW/the bloke down the chippy has a bias towards assuming all acts of violence are perpetrated by a certain section of society.
oh I say!!
It's quite a thrill for a mischievous scamp like my good self that you infer that I'm somefing of a brute
It's made feel all giddy and queer like that time I had a sip of mother's laudanum and tried on her bra whilst she nipped out to the fishmongers to get a plaice for daddy's tea, and I couldn't get it off again
fanks Ernesto 😳
I've gone out and done a whole(for me) days work and theyve just worked it out..theres little hope really.
Oh you brute Yunki.
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