[Closed] Theresa May

Theresa May or she May not.

Nice shoes, seems a game gal

The H in her name is important. Very important. Especially if you're at work.

I'm not a shoe person, so I can't comment on her footwear.

I'm going to have to judge on her voting record and her stated intention to remove the UK from European (note: not just EU) Human Rights legislation.

I can't understand why every single political or social movement since 1979 has resulted in an inexorable shift to the right.

Her record as Home Secretary isn't stellar. Her Immigration controls failed miserably but to be fair her hands were tied. The Police dont like her, I think she was booed whilst giving a speech to them.

Time will tell.

Nice front bench.

Bit repressive
Disliker of human rights as they curtail her ability to keep us all "secure"
There because she is not Boris
Untested as PM
Not a big fan of foreigners

I think she stands as a comment on how mental our present political system is, that she appears to be the least worst option.

She's clearly a pretty shrewd and ruthless political operator. In the total absence of a functioning opposition, she's got free reign to do what she damn well likes. Her appointments so far seem to suggest that she's going to turn the UK into a ultra-neoliberal theme park.

Something to look forward too eh? 😥

The H in her name is important. Very important. Especially if you're at work.

Depends on your browsing history....

I wish her all the best in what has to be the ultimate "poison chalice" of jobs.

The H in her name is important. Very important. Especially if you're at work.

Has she done anything yet? or is she still just waiting for everyone else to **** up, I don't think her game plan* is going to keep on working now she has won, sooner or later people will notice she isn't actually doing anything.

I'm generally liking her voting history, although I wanted Boris. Time will tell.

Untested as PM

Hmm, could you point me to a PM that you couldn't, at some point, have said the same?

So we agree its true then
Awesome

Untested as PM

Cabinet shuffle was a positive, allowing cameron to reward his cronies obviously a negative, should have carried on as she started.

Dealing with the Home Office/UKVI as I do, I used to think she was just spectacularily incompetent, til I realised that like Hunt she's embraced deliberate failure. In other words, she wanted the department to achieve certain goals (in this case, to deter legitimate immigrants without actually trying to ban them) and realised that the best way to do that was to make it as dysfunctional as possible. So they've managed out competence, they've made rules and regulations opaque and contradictory, they've made changes without notice... We have a full time person whose job title should be Home Office Damage Migitator, and we lose hundreds of thousands of pounds every year due to what is basically vandalism.

So we have excellent conversations with our contact at the UKVI that go "we can't advise on this new, poorly worded rule, or tell you whether your interpretation is correct. But we will take action against you if, at a later date, we decide you're wrong". This is a service we have to pay for, incidentally. In any sane world, this'd tell you that things are not going well. But to her, that's a dream. I see no reason to expect better now she's PM.

Slightly right of fascist.... we like slightly right of fascist these days even the left is right wing... ahhh how the socialists have fallen Maggie must be settled in her grave.

I have a feeling she will come a cropper over something. She has done well to surround herself with expendable blame sponges.

She's playing a blinder internationally. Piss the French off (they were pissed off with us anyway), but really piss the Chinese off. Not to worry though, as she's appointed a really well respected, heavyweight diplomat as foreign secretary, who'll smooth it all out no problem....

Untested as PM
Hmm, could you point me to a PM that you couldn't, at some point, have said the same?

Winston Churchill, the second time he was elected?

I prefer Head and Shoulders.

Ba, dum, er tish.

No more than the best of a bad lot.

Thank F it's her rather than the complete & total ****t that is Boris Johnson!

Every time I hear her name OMD's Enola Gay starts going round in my head.

Met her last year in a travel lounge and she was only with one civil servant type person. Asked me to pass the the milk for coffee and just chatted to me. Seemed quite normal.

I have not been a fan historically - based largely on poor execution of mandate - but have been v surprised at how well she has responded so far. Dangerous for her enemies in her party and in the oppo to underestimate her. So far so good but v early days. Putting the three musketeers in charge of Brexit will either prove to be a masterstroke or a disaster.

But she has a very difficult job at a very difficult time thanks to the stupidity of Brexit. We shall see if it is a poisoined chalice or not in time.

Her bus parking was pretty impressive first time out too.

It will be interesting to see how she copes when/if we get a decent Opposition in place though

Putting the three musketeers in charge of Brexit will either prove to be a masterstroke or a disaster.

Indeed. However my money says if it's a masterstroke, it was all her doing, and if it's a disaster... well she put the most senior and committed Brexy boys in charge of Brexit and they couldn't get a deal for Britain? Who would have been more committed to making it work? Clearly it doesn't work, or only these bits work etc, tack to a down wind course and high tail it out of there leaving BoJo, Fox and Davis swinging gently in the wind. (Did I mix enough metaphors?)

The H in her name is important. Very important. Especially if you're at work.

Oh god, why did I have to look? 😕

It is very very far from a masterstroke. Putting the bungling buffoons in charge of the brexit negotiations and foreign relations will damage the country, in doing so she has put her own political avarice above the needs of the country. It is such an obvious political move that everyone can see it and if the press were more balanced they would be ripping her a new arsehole instead of concentrating on the labour sideshow.

The tories are ****ing up beyond all comprehension and they are being allowed to do so with barely a honest column inch being cast in their direction. Internal political backstabing is being viewed as if they are house of cards characters, as if all the blatant scheming isn't inflicting damage on the nation. It isn't just a Westminster bubble it matters to the whole ****ing country and it is about time they grew up and started looking past their selfish ambitions and sorted out this **** up.

[url= http://www.turnofftheinternet.com ]Don't press it, Wallop![/url]

CaptainFlashheart - Member
The H in her name is important. Very important. Especially if you're at work.

Every day is a school day. 😀

I've come across her a little bit professionally. We are a long way apart ideologically but she's sharp, tough, committed, clear minded and serious. I respect, maybe even fear her a bit. She'll be different.......

My local MP. She lives locally (unlike many politicians) and has done a lot to represent the community. Seems quite normal and was even in our local supermarket the other day (followed by her close protection officers).

As with many politicians time will tell.

(followed by her close protection officers).

An unavoidable pain/perk of the job, sadly.

Used to live in an area heavily frequented by MPs, ministers et al. Would often find oneself sitting at a table next to a cabinet minister at dinner, for example. Those that had, or had to have(!) CPOs with them were admirably restrained. The CPOs would often be a little way off, very subtle. This applied to those from all parties, I should, add. Apart from John Reid, who would make quite the scene of being important. He used to ask his CPOs to move us from "his" table at the curry house. It was, as the excellent staff at said curry house would politely tell them, our table. 🙂

edenvalleyboy - Member
...how do people feel about her?

I'd rather not feel about her.

@CFH love the curry house story

Don't forget the H in TM .. THM never seen in the same room as TeamHurtMore, makes you think

So far so good. Obvious choice for leader as highly eurosceptic, I was a bit surprised she camoaigned for Remain although she brought as much enthusiasm to that as did Jezza. Good cabinet selections. Got off to a flier at PMQ's demolished Corbyn. Already showing leadsrship by putting Hinkley on hold. I expect a strong conference from her in September. Autumn budget statement will be interesting and will set the tone for March budget.

Made it clear all EU citizens in UK will be welcome to stay on the basis EUnoffers recipricol rights to Brits (a certainty imho). Her most important test will be when she calls Article 50, part of me thinks she'll wait to see who is leading France and Germany post their 2017 elections.

Her most important test will be when she calls Article 50, part of me thinks she'll wait to see who is leading France and Germany post their 2017 elections.

How on earth do you think she'll be able to leave it until 2017 to call Article 50? I don't doubt she'd like to leave it indefinitely, but that's not a realistic option.

"I've come across her a little bit professionally"

That'll be the one without the H then.

its not even clear she can call it it may require an act of parliament to do it

I've come across her a little bit professionally"

That'll be the one without the H then.

If only............. I don't move in those exotic circles

part of me thinks she'll wait to see who is leading France and Germany post their 2017 elections.

Austrian election re-run and Italian constitutional referendum before that might give us a bit more idea on the direction

its not even clear she can call it it may require an act of parliament to do it

I thought it was pretty clear she couldn't. An act of parliament requires another one to repeal it.

How about this for a bonkers scenario, doesn't call Article 50 because the 3 musketeers cant get a good deal, waits until we are involved in some kind of conflict to hide the news that we aren't going to leave Europe. Population have been beaten down by the events leading up to conflict and just shrug. 3 musketeers disposed of along with the right wing of the party Corbyn rides a white horse into the Chamber throws a spear through Burcow snaps the mace over his knee and shouts " I am the daddy" Eagles swoons and is set upon by the SNP MP's who it turns out are actually the Walking Dead.

Got off to a flier at PMQ's demolished Corbyn

My nan could do that and shes been dead 20 years!

I liked her speech to the Police Federation a couple of years back.

How about this for a bonkers scenario, doesn't call Article 50 because the 3 musketeers cant get a good deal, waits until we are involved in some kind of conflict to hide the news that we aren't going to leave Europe. Population have been beaten down by the events leading up to conflict and just shrug. 3 musketeers disposed of along with the right wing of the party

Bonkers? I'd say it's overwhelmingly the most likely scenaro.

As said above: If Brexit works well and becomes popular, May takes credit. If it fails in any sense of the word the 3 amigos get blame.

Now she's back from the mountains,there's a difficulty ahead with the usual pro/anti Europe split in her party over Brexit.

Her biggest weapon to stiffen her authority is calling a snap election.

Bye bye Jeremy...

You do know we have fixed term parliaments and she cannot just call an election - technically the PM cannot one full stop now

The only realistic parliamentary method is for her own MP's to support a vote of no confidence in her that they bring to the house
THat will be interesting to explain to the public

I am sure if she could do this easily she would before Europe starts to wound her party

[url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/early-general-election-can-theresa-may-actually-call-one-a7132846.html ]Tricky. Not impossible.[/url]

Snap election unlikley not least as with fixed term Parliaments it's hard to do. Would require a contrived vote of no confidence. Tories already have a majority and in ay case Labour show no signs of turining a corner so they'll be in worse shape in 2017 and thereafter.

Theresa is looking very much like a leader who does what she says. Been reported she has the legal confirmation (obvious imo) she does not have to have a Parliamentary vote before Artcile 50. French Presidential election in 2017 imo will between Sarkozy (UMP) and Le Penn (FN) both far more Eurosceptic than we have ever seen in France before - Le Penn is speaking about a Referendum on membership of the euro (French are complaining euro borrowing rules are forcing them into more austerity plus people are increasingly aware they are on the hook for Greece etc). merkel too faces re-election and there is a groundswell that says she should stand down and not even run for re-election. This creates an interesting backdrop to Article 50. Theresa can choose to wait and see.

Personally I want the Government to crack on with the manifesto commitment to create a Brirish Human Rights Bill with our courts supreme. Together with Brexit prep and Fox's world trade initiative that should be the priority for the next 3 months.

D'you think she'll make some comedy policy announcements and try a really risibly stupid spin video so we can all engage in expressions of hilarity at her childish incompetence?

Oh, hang on...

Did you see how bad the trains where in Switzerland ? She was forced to walk 😀

You do know that the ECHR is nothing to do with the EU? You are aware of the concept of universality in the context of human rights and as such the importance of an international court to oversee there application universally (or at least across those member states of the Council of Europe).

For those concerned about the threat to the Human Rights Act, take some time to visit Amnesty International's web site and sign up to their petition.

[quote=Mr Woppit ]Tricky. Not impossible.

basically what I said

she has the legal confirmation (obvious imo)

IMHO she is pressing ahead with brexit for the following reasons

1. She knows the Mps will oppose her and wont pass a bill
2. She can then keep tory eurosceptics on side as she tried and tory europhiles as she did ot exit
3. SHe may negotiate a deal then have another referendum once we have negotiated an exit deal.

Brexit remains the most likely but nothing would surprise me

Who knows what her legacy, will be, she did steer the home office through a series of very public cock ups, but somehow survived.

Cameron's entire career reduced to simply being remembered as the nation's biggest loser, must loom large over her.

Hence why she picked the 3 most desperate for a 2nd chance politicians she could find in her cabinet (apart from Gove, obvs) to sort out the impossible task of a clean Brexit break
She'd surely be bonkers to take us out of the ECHR and one of Churchill's gratest legacies at the same time tho ?

@Nipper A UK Human Rights Act with [b]UK court as the highest authority[/b]. Job done. As for ECHR not being anything to do with the EU, that doesn't tell the whole story as withdrawing is untested as EU has refused to answer the question when asked simoly saying if we did so they wouod consider their responce at the time. It's highly likely they would try and block any such exit although of course now they have no leverage with us as we are leaving anyway. I have no issue with the ECJ being the final authority on an EU trade dispute but thats the be all and end all.

@kimbers Cameron is a Tory hero, PM for 5 years with Lib Dems in tow, first Conservative majority in 18 years, brave enough to give us a Referendum on the EU. A true democrat giving the Scots a Referendum too and refused to enter Syrian conflict without Parliament support, something he was not required to get.

I wouldn't say rhe ECHR was one of Churchill's greatest legacies. In any case the creeping sovereignty of the EU has turned the ECHR into something it was never intended to be. Churchill believed a United States of Europe would stop the French and Germans going to war with each other as each country would dissapear. There is not a snowballs chance in hell he intended for us to be part of it, he saw us an independent nation with a global influence and more closely aligned with the US

BTW can I ask how the family are ?