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Boris has repeatedly stated that employment now is higher than it was before the COVID pandemic.
This is a lie.
He knows it is a lie.
He has been informed it is a lie on at least six separate occasions.
The parliamentary process is that if, for whatever reason, you mis-inform the house then you much make a correction at the earliest possible opportunity.
This is a matter of honour and why people get kicked out if the call someone a liar in the house. You are besmirching their honour.
Again, Boris has been told of his 'mis-information of the house' on at least 6 separate times but has never acknowledged or corrected this.
There is no parliamentary process to cover this as it was never anticipated that a politician would deliberately and repeatedly mislead the house and country and refuse to do anything to correct this situation when it was pointed out to them.
The result is that Boris can continue to quote any statistic he cares to make up, get it published widely as fact and there is nothing anyone can do to stop him.
Maybe Rees-Mogg will champion that as a benefit of leaving the EU - even less government accountability?
****ing ****
I heard this on more or less. Pretty bad. I do see the difficult balence as all stats require context and caveats and people would game every claim made arguing against it. This is where the real difficulty of forming a good rule.
I do agree that Boris is a pathological liar and seems incapable of retraction, apologies or even admittence of mistakes.
The current system was designed for when ministers at least had to publicly be honourable and fall on their sword of not...Well, when caught anyway.
It wasn't designed for a government that has no perception of honour, or even attempts to fake it. we'll likely never see our "unwritten" constitution tested to breaking point like this again in our life time. I hope anyway.
That said, get your butt over to the Boris thread WCA, this is discussed a LOT over there at the mo. This thread won't survive long.lol
Thought it’d be some juicy gossip about another MP
Yawn stick your moan on the boris thread.
He doesn’t need more publicity
Who complained when the Chinese Communist Parties man in Downing Street used Lockdown in the UK?
They are not telling lies, they are being very economic with the truth. i.e they miss out the scope or detail in what they are saying.
By that they are misleading anyone who is listening so they shouldn't be allowed to mislead which I think is already the case but nobody does anything about it.
They are just using Trump style of putting the stuff out there and once out people will hear it and some will just believe it.
They are not telling lies, they are being very economic with the truth. i.e they miss out the scope or detail in what they are saying.
By that they are misleading anyone who is listening so they shouldn’t be allowed to mislead which I think is already the case but nobody does anything about it.
They are just using Trump style of putting the stuff out there and once out people will hear it and some will just believe it.
This is a drum Starmer needs to be banging - get a private members bill through to force apologies and corrections, if the independent stats people point out an error as has happened recently. It will force Tories to either support the truth or support Boris, and give an easy stick to beat those who don't vote for truth - simple list to check which way your MP voted.
And the increasingly obvious parallels with Trump are key too.
Though it means Starmer must be whiter than white of course.
Just to answer those who thought this was a Boris bashing thread, it isn't. It is about the fact that "There is no way for Parliament stop a politician lying"
It goes across government. Here are the first items that come up on a search EXCLUDING Boris:
Yesterday Sir David Norgrove, head of the UK Statistics Authority, said he had "serious concerns about the Department for Education's presentation and use of statistics", and had written to the Cabinet minister to demand its figures were "properly presented" in future.
He said a claim by schools minister Nick Gibb that the UK had “leapfrogged” 11 places in an international survey of 9-year-olds’ reading ability was “not correct”, and criticised the DfE's use of OECD figures "in such a way as to misrepresent changes in school funding".
statistics authority had launched an investigation into how the DfE had used the OECD figures, when it emerged they also included tuition fees.
Business minister Nadhim Zahawi told Kay Burley that the administration will "listen very carefully to the official statistics watchdog and make sure we respond accordingly".
The UK Statistics Authority (UKSA) said there was a danger that confidence in official figures could be undermined if they were not "supported by transparent information being provided in a timely manner".
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Sir Patrick and chief medical officer Chris Whitty have faced criticism after citing data at the weekend that suggested the UK could reach 4,000 deaths a day by December at a press conference to announce plans for a second England-wide Covid-19 lockdown.
Just to answer those who thought this was a Boris bashing thread, it isn’t. It is about the fact that “There is no way for Parliament stop a politician lying”
Perhaps then starting it with 'Boris' wasn't the best idea if it was a generalization 😉
I agree that this shouldn't be about Boris, it should be about honesty and integrity across politics and government.
It may have been going on since the beginning of time (as shown by Yes Minister) but Boris has brought it to a tipping point where it completely undermines democracy, a la Trump
Is that not part of the job? If we were told the truth they would be out of the job, then we would have another lots of fib tellers. Politics cannot work with the truth because the mob don't want to hear it.
Disagree matt - I think the majority really do want to hear the truth.
Only Parliament can control its procedure, so issues can be pushed to a vote, which may go along partisan lines. If MPs want to be lied to, then they will be.