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Noticed they edited out the points in the Johnson fight were Khabib got shook. I think if T-Ferg is going to win, it's going to be via punches to the face.

Looking forward to the embedded shows this week.

Looking forward to the embedded shows this week.

I want Khabib to win but if Khabib is favourite I'll place a bet for Tony. 6" reach advantage, great takedown defence, and good on the ground even if Khabib gets hold of him. Going to be a great fight.

I see Woodley winning the other with an improvement on the previous performance.

Bisping vs GSP?

Guess rankings really do mean nothing.

Conor was busy.

Guess CM Punk was washing his hair.

HASHTAG Will watch though.

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Bad weight cut it seems.

Looks like he ain't going to make weigh-in. Heh...T-Ferg called it at the face-offs.

Well **** 🙁

100% cancelled.

Weekend ruined.

Time for some more weight classes? Early weigh-ins seem to be backfiring somewhat.

Going to be recording, rather than staying up now.

Solid card with Vanata and T-Wood and Wonderboy, but lost some of its gloss.

FFS. As far as I'm concerned that should count as a loss for Khabib and a win for Tony. (I was hoping Khabib would win BTW) & Tony should get paid.

Still a good card but Tony v Khabib was something special.

arrpee

Time for some more weight classes? Early weigh-ins seem to be backfiring somewhat.

I think that's two separate issues. More weight classes would be good, and might help the situation but nothing to say you wouldn't get say...Tyron Woodley cutting even further to compete at 165 or even 160.

The early weigh ins are good but apparently fighters are having issues with the time of day. What they really need to do is adopt One FC's weight protocals with regular weigh ins through the year and hydration tests come fight weigh in.

Hunt vs Overeem worth watching. Walk away K.O and two fingers to the UFC from Hunt would be good!

they have to change the system.

agree a level of hydration with the authorities that is deemed safe. and weigh at that hydration level. thats what you fight at.

Khabib should be a 170 fighter, he probably walks around at 185. to cut 30 lbs or so is insane.

look at Woodley last night, he is huge. he must walk round at 200lb or so.

I'm 5'11 and my race weight is bang on 70kg, and I am stick thin when I am down there, yet its what Conor thought at against Alvarez, and he was big. he's walking round at 175ish, so why fight at 155, or even 145?

somethings got to change, or the next time we'l be talking about a death.

warton

I'm 5'11 and my race weight is bang on 70kg, and I am stick thin when I am down there, yet its what Conor thought at against Alvarez, and he was big. he's walking round at 175ish, so why fight at 155, or even 145?

Because in grappling weight makes a huge difference. If I'm sparring with someone at BJJ who is my weight it's easy (for want of a better word). With a 5kg weight advantage I can beat someone who has 3-4 years more training than I have. 10kg advantage and it feels like fighting a child.

Khabib should be a 170 fighter, he probably walks around at 185. to cut 30 lbs or so is insane.

He's not that big, Tony Ferguson walks around at 170/175 and lots of people have commented at how he's relatively small. But I agree with all of your comments re weight cutting - hydration tests should be the norm.

All good points JimJam.

Thinking of giving BJJ a go. As a 42 year old with no grappling or martial arts experience I imagine I'll spend a couple of years being manipulated like a child.

warton

Thinking of giving BJJ a go.

Do it. It's one of the most difficult but rewarding things you'll ever do. Who knows where you'll be, or what you'll be doing in ten years....but you might as well be a black belt while you're doing it 🙂

There are a lot of pitfalls that beginners can fall into and they are relatively fresh in my mind so I'll be happy to point them out to you.

As a 42 year old with no grappling or martial arts experience I imagine I'll spend a couple of years being manipulated like a child.

For your first few classes yes, but it's amazing and humbling to be utterly helpless against another person. After about 6 weeks you'll be able to handle new comers your own size or slightly bigger. After 6 months you'll be able to catch higher belts your own size or slightly smaller whilst utterly destroying untrained people regardless of size - but at the same time, you'll still be a grappling dummy for people a few grades higher, which keeps it compelling.

Well that was a fun card. (Hunt/Reem-Vanata/Teymur-Elkins comeback etc)

Not the main event of course. That was tepid.

*hops off Bearjew hype train*

Hunt and the reem are two of my favourite fighters and that finish made me feel from down, was not happy to see Alastair do that.walk off ko for hunt would of been magical.

Wow.

A tonne of amazing fights announced in the last few days.
Personal highlights will be:

Edgar vs. Rodriguez – Big test for Rodriguez. On paper, Edgar’s got everything you’d need to nullify his flamboyance – crisp footwork, strong wrestling, endurance and a good chin.

Maia vs. Masvidal – Attractive if slightly baffling. Masvidal seems to have really capitalised on the win over Cerrone to jump this far up the rankings. Maia not getting a title shot makes me wonder if Woodley’s finally getting his money fight?

Holloway vs. Aldo – Can’t wait for this one. With all the recent chicanery, it’s going to be so refreshing to see the right fight happen, i.e. a worthy champion defending the belt against the top contender.

Honourable mention for Silva vs. Gastelum. Very savvy move from Gastelum to call him out, securing a lucrative and very winnable fight with a guy who still attracts a lot of attention. I can’t see him giving Silva the kind of respect he seemed to generate in Brunson.

UFC London pre-lims are on live right now till 9;30 on Fightpass. Free previews...use your wife's email acc if you've already registered and don't want to pay 😉

Some decent fights on it. No big names as such but a few upandcomers. You can watch them later if you're kids are about etc. Gonna get the beers in and cheer on Joe Duffy.

re. the weight cut thing, anybody see the bit on BBC iplayer, forget what its called now but was on the first page yesterday, I never realized the extents they go to to get down to the category weight. Its pretty messed up!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p04t3x61/the-weight-cut-extreme-weight-loss

thats the one

Better late than never.

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Diakiese vs Groovy Lando, pls.

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Jamie - Member

Diakiese vs Groovy Lando, pls.

Not a bad shout. Lando's last fight with Teymur was a war, great fighter to watch. He might be a bit small for lightweight though.

Cormier vs Rumble this eve. Reckon DC will do it again, but wouldn't bet my pension on it.

What about DC's weigh in? Hands resting on the towel!

At least his tits are real.

Reckon DC will do it again, but wouldn't bet my pension on i

DC looked like an AIDS ravaged crack addict at the weigh in/ towelgate

DC looked, rough shuffling towards the scale.

Bellator 179 on Channel 5 tonight. Prelims on Spike apparently.

It's on. August 26th. Las Vegas.

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Mr McGregor is about to become a veeeeeery rich man.

McGregor 7/1.

McGregor 7/1.

Hmm. Worth a punt.

Connor has nothing to lose and everything to gain...if he gets humiliated he'll walk away laughing with $millions in the bank!!

If he wins...wow.

I'm not writing him off he is a special athlete and 'Money' is not in his prime...Connor is!

2 horse race. I'd have a punt at 7/1.

Thank god they've finally set a date!

Difficult to see Mcgregor going back to UFC for such comparatively small money.

In terms of the fight, meh. Fair play to him for landing the payday. I'd rather see him in almost any MMA fight, but why should he take bigger risks for, relatively speaking, peanuts?

Did we all catch Aldo vs. Holloway? Beautiful and tragic. Wonder if Aldo will go up to lightweight. Would love to see him fight Nurmagomedov: Khabib's wrestling vs Aldo's takedown defence.

Worth a punt.

He would not have much chance against any boxer never mind the best.he is going to get schooled

He has a puncher's chance.

Personally I think it'll be a dog of a contest, but still going to chuck a tenner on Conor. At least to make me watch it 😀

I predict McGregor will NOT LAND ONE SINGLE CLEAN SHOT the whole fight. Mayweather is going to make him look totally ridiculous.

This 'fight' is so stupid. Canelo couldn't even land cleanly on Floyd, what hope does a non boxer have.

Anyone who gives McGregor even the remotest minutest of chances is completely deluded.

Just been over on Twitter. Some people actually seriously think McGregor can win....

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He has a puncher's chance.

On paper a total mismatch, McGregor is a terrible boxer

Prepare for the hype and shenanigans to be massive.

He's got no hope, surely?

He has a puncher's chance.

Erm, no he doesn't. Whatsoever.

If pacquiao, marquez, cotto, canelo et al were all made to look average. All excellent champions in their own right. Plus floyd has a good chin, although people don't realise as he never gets hit.

But people will pay to see it, unfortunately. I most definitely won't be watching.

I'd rather see a proper boxing match. Like Ward vs Kovalev this weekend.

pondo - Member

He's got no hope, surely?

loddrik

He has a puncher's chance.

Erm, no he doesn't. Whatsoever.

I'd put more stock in someone like Mark Henry saying McGregor has a chance than all the internet pundits put together.

He's a bigger, stronger, younger and quite possibly faster man who knocks people out for a living. Of course he has a punchers chance. If Conor goes in there and starches Floyd, in hindsight it will have seemed so obvious that it was possible for him to do that. But a more likely reality is 12 rounds of exciting clinching.

It's [i]almost[/i] certain that Floyd will win, but no one knows for certain. That's why they'll fight.

Sigh......

No point me adding anything else really. Next time I'll contribute to this thread will be after the fight and floyd has not been hit all fight and made McGregor look completely totally ridiculous.

loddrik - Member

Sigh......

Indeed. It's a sad indictment of the general public's lack of knowledge when it comes to MMA that this side show is even happening. If McGregor has even a 1% chance against Mayweather in a boxing match it's still 100 times more chance than Floyd would have in an MMA match.

If the UFC wasn't in a down year financially I doubt it would even be happening.

Ah, well I might watch my first McGregor fight ever for the spectacle alone. As long as they don't take the piss too much with the PPV price.

Punchers chance, but Floyd is the best ever at reducing punchers chances.

Win/win for me, would love to see Mcg get schooled & would love to see Floyd K.Oed.

How shrewd is McGregor though...

As others have said this is a complete farce. Floyd will not knock him out early as that's not his style and I wouldn't be surprised if mcgregor sees the final bell. But he'll have been schooled.

People go on about mcgregors power. If a top pfp fighter like alvarez who also hits pretty hard and is bigger than mcgregor can't trouble Floyd then mcgregor won't.

Sure Floyd may completely lose focus and walk into a haymaker, but that's not happened in 49*fights and it won't happen now. Only way Floyd loses is if he's ridiculously careless..and even then mcgregor would need skills to exploit.

I put in the caveat that I also said bellow had no chance against Haye.. But surely this one is even more of a 'foregone conclusion'

The great white hope sparring with Chris van Heerden.

Horrible news about Matt Hughes 🙁

Doesn't sound good.

Going back to McGregor...where I think he may have a chance is that as a martial artist his movements are difference...I'm just wondering if Connor may put him off...

I'm not ruling Connor out, he's a special athlete!

If he tries to hold a Queensbury stance and style though it really will not end well!!

The 2nd best boxer of Floyd's generation couldn't lay a glove on him.

Barring a phantom punch, something which HoF greats have never been able to do to Floyd, McGregor will be humiliated.

Although Floyd will probably carry him the 12 rounds but Conor won't win a single round never mind the fight

it will be the luckiest punch of all time if he manages

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There seems to be quite a few mma fans who think that McGregor somehow may have a chance. They probably just don't realise just how good floyd is. McGregor will not land a single decent punch on floyd. McGregor wouldn't stand a chance with a decent pro boxer, trying to connect let alone knock out, which is undoubtedly what he will try to do, with quite possibly the best boxer there has ever been, will be nigh on impossible.

The one thing he has in his favour is that floyd is not really a knockout merchant, so he may make it to the final bell. Had he been in there with a de la hoya/hatton era Pacquiao, he'd be lucky to make it to the section round.

I'm expecting some type of result that will necessitate a rematch.

I did wonder if he would knock him down at some point to make it look like he could have a chance with his "boxers chance" in the rematch. Whatever scheme they plot Mayweather is not giving up his "0"

No one who knows anything about boxing would give him a chance against a seasoned pro - or amateur - never mind Mayweather

Do you think Mayweather will do a proper camp?

I am thinking Lewis against Rahman?

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I am thinking Lewis against Rahman?

He's never not training. Even when he was retired before he was training every day. He lives in the gym.

loddrik - Member

There seems to be quite a few mma fans who think that McGregor somehow may have a chance. They probably just don't realise just how good floyd is. McGregor will not land a single decent punch on floyd. McGregor wouldn't stand a chance with a decent pro boxer, trying to connect let alone knock out, which is undoubtedly what he will try to do, with quite possibly the best boxer there has ever been, will be nigh on impossible.

I really don't have a dog in this fight, I haven't seen a boxing match in year and never seen an MMA fight but the spectacle has drawn me in.

Some of the pundits are a bit cagey about it, just because it’s so unusual – but, as I understand it if you take emotional attachment out of it, it’s a bit like this?

The Miami Dolphins have been trying to start a ‘beef’ with Toulouse Rugby Club for years, “we’re the best players with an oval ball ever.” They say, for 2 years Toulouse ignore them. Finally having enough they say, okay then – we’ll put on a match – but you have to come to France and you have to play rugby, it’s a very different game to American Football so you can’t use have the skills you’ve learned in your career.

All the time the Dolphins are gobbing off about their chances the tickets are sold out and it’s making millions on TV.
The actual experts are saying:

The NFL team is actually known for being fairly poor, even by the standards of other NFL teams of running with the ball, only passing backwards and generally the business of you-known, playing rugby, where are Toulouse are some of the best to ever play the game – the diehard Dolphins fans just shout yee haw and say they’re going to win.

The NFL team is used to short periods of explosive action, punctuated by hours of beer adverts and girls dancing with pom-poms, in contrast the game of Rugby has much longer periods of action and is actually in play for a lot longer, again the Dolphins fans cheers their team is going to win.

The NFL team has a lower average age, as most of their players are straight out of collage – the Dolphins fans say “see, we told you they’d win”.

So yeah, they’ve got a chance, they’re very good at games involving running about with and kicking a oval ball, so to the diehard fans they’re as good at Rugby, experts say that if the Dolphins had convinced Toulouse to play American Football, they’d win easily, but they didn’t.

i realise die hard fans will think anything but imagine an amateur [ for he is an amateur boxer at best] American football team taking on the best rugby team and then expecting them to win

It could happen but its so remote as to not be worth considering even if you are a fan of your team/person.

I dont have strong opinions on connor either but he is no boxer and this is about fame and money not sport

WWE might as well show it as it would be more entertaining and the result probably less certain

No its like an amateur boxer taking on Mayweather.

Very, very little chance.

Saying he has no chance is against logic.

I'm actually not that interested! DC vs JJ yes please. And boxing wise Ward vs Kovalev 3... FFS

Saying he has no chance is against logic

That said the odds are so long it is what would be termed no chance by anyone.

His only hope is a lucky punch against the best defensive boxer of this era and possibly ever.

That is technically a chance , if one wishes to be pedantic, but realistically its not a chance.

i have never boxed so its technically incorrect to say I have no chance against him

some of the hardest people to box against are people who can't box...

Draaaaaaaaging this back to MMA, nice to have Holly Holm get a win!

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some of the hardest people to box against are people who can't box...

The other thing was i also had to keep going to myself dont kick no grabbing etc and curtail my instincts so this also put me at a disadvantage as i was a bit slower than normal to remain "controlled".

Beyond extreme luck he does not have a hope

BillOddie - Member

Draaaaaaaaging this back to MMA, nice to have Holly Holm get a win!

Yep. Hollie is a bad ************. The fact that De Randamie is vacating the title just highlights how she didn't deserve the belt. It's fair to say Bethe was not on her level but she deserves a slightly easier fight to get back in the win column.

Junkyard

That is technically a chance , if one wishes to be pedantic, but realistically its not a chance.

Beyond extreme luck he does not have a hope

So guess anyone wanting some free money should bet the house on Floyd? A £10,000 stake will earn you £1142.

jimjam...hit the nail on the head all these commentators saying he has no chance would not put big money on it the question is why not?

I can't see how Connor would win but I'm not ruling him out.

He's been doubted at every stage of his career and always come through!

... Well, apart from the three fights he lost, of course.