[Closed] The Ubiquity of Drugs

If you are a drug dealer and someone rips you off you can't take them to court can you?

This is an interesting point, as there are various levels of drugs dealers, I knew a few fools that took 9 bars on tick, smoked the vast majority of it, then got forced in to heading down to Calais to do alcohol/tobacco runs to pay it back or face beatings. I'd guess that type of thing is only the tip of the iceberg.

I've been witness to a few beatings of people imposing on other people "patches" as well even a very low levels in the schemes. (curious experience one time, I was actually in a room smoking with 2 mates(the afore mentioned fools that took the 9 bars) then the door gets battered in, those 2 skelped about a bit and warned, was later told I wasn't touched as they knew i wasn't involved and they knew I was in there 😆 phew! ) (Why did I not back up my mates? trust me you wouldn't have either, they had to take their medicine, escalation didn't bear thinking about!)

I've only limited experience there, as I was quite happy to let others go to the shady spots to get stuff. I'd another scary experience when i was 16 or so with dodgy characters in a house in Castlemilk jokingly threatening me with tazers(aye they are joking, but they were clearly the type that could turn on you in a second). Taught me a valuable lesson to stay the **** away from the really shady characters. From the above, you can tell some didn't learn that lesson...

Guess the point in sharing this is really just to illustrate that the picture is a bit more complicated than, some people get addicted, some people don't. it's quite a difficult area to generalize I think, and there are wider social issues caused not just from the consumption.

Needless to say, I'm very against the complicit approval the government gives to the black market.

Cocaine is not addictive in the real sense of the word

If you fall, really far, it's not the damage to your body that kills you, it's the [i]shock [/i]of the hitting the ground that does you in.

Apologies. 🙂

Ok lets drop the word addiction

Tell you what, let's drop the word 'real' instead and then try again. Addiction is an umbrella term and *needs* to be broadly termed, not limited to chemical intercourse.

If you could find a ready supply off ethically sourced, Fairtrade, soil association approved coke, you'd make an absolute killing

Tell you what, let's drop the word 'real' instead and then try again. Addiction is an umbrella term and *needs* to be broadly termed, not limited to chemical intercourse.

+1

You can be addicted to an activity alone.

Although you could add the word "biological" to clarify.

binners for PM.

IME transitioning from step 2 to step 3 took a mild detour through

2.5 having a bit 'too much'

C'est la vie, older and wiser now.

If you could find a ready supply off ethically sourced, Fairtrade, soil association approved coke, [s]you'd make an absolute killing[/s] I'd be right in there

FTFY 🙂

1. Start experimenting with drugs
2. have a right old laugh, on account of them being bloody great fun!
3. Grow out of it
4. Get on with life

Well put. I probably stayed in stage two for about 22 years. Now happily in stages 3&4 although happy to dip back in to stage 2 should the occasion present itself.

the real meaning of addiction is that you get physical withdrawal symptoms when you stop

i think given your subsequent posts you are skewed because you deal with the physical cases ONLY

Lots of things are addictive from drugs to bikes to post shitting on a forum

take it away form a user and you have an issue.
the range of issues will vary between person and also what they are addicted to , porn heroin, cocaine, gambling etc

I suppose part of my issue is seeing folk claiming addiction to weed as an excuse for being a horrible scally in court

its not really news that folk in courts often lie. I wont be letting this fact affect influence my view on addiction matters.

IME transitioning from step 2 to step 3 took a mild detour through

2.5 having a bit 'too much'

Is that the step where you go out for about an hour on Friday night then a bunch of you just head back to the house and proceed to get off your tits for 3-4 days straight?

SaxonRider:

When I was young and we were told about different drugs

I can't speak for Canadian society, but if it's anything like that in the US then there is a much greater distinction than here between the straight and narrow, where all the good kids go; and scandal and ruin where any kind of fun is. Puritan influence.

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I really would like to agree that legalising cannabis is a sensible thing to do, as I understand the argument.

But after a psychotic episode followed by a breakdown from, I think, heavy use....it worries me when I see it touted as being harmless. I really don't think it is....

I'd hate for someone else to go through the pain & despair I did. Only a failed suicude attempt snapped me out of it.

Certainly not harmless but then is alcohol or tobacco? Harm reduction is the aim

mrlebowski - Member

I really would like to agree that legalising cannabis is a sensible thing to do, as I understand the argument.

But after a psychotic episode followed by a breakdown from, I think, heavy use....it worries me when I see it touted as being harmless. I really don't think it is....

I'd hate for someone else to go through the pain & despair I did. Only a failed suicude attempt snapped me out of it.

Sry to hear that MrL. The cannabanoid receptors are a fundamental part of our CNS as we all know, so certainly there can be reperussions - whether you're just giving them a tickle, or knocking them bandy.

I think more run of the mill considerations like driving might stand in the way of legalisation. I mean how long has it taken for drink driving to become socially-unacceptable? We're talking generations. Giving driving-whilst-stoned a massive boost doesn't sound like a good idea - plus is harder to quantify in the first place. Think it would be a real issue.

It was 20 yrs ago Garry & is well in the past. Though I can still remember the emptiness I felt at the time.

Appreciate the sentiment though...

It's a debate I try to avoid TBH as it brings back feelings I don't want to recall - but sometimes sharing makes the junk easier to deal with. Maybe others might learn something who knows.

Anyway, onward & upward. I'm in a really good place now, I often think I'm the luckiest man alive with the way my life has turned out!

Just one really dark time, but that's in the past.

Drugs; they certainly serve a purpose; generally to make boring people more interesting. Hence why there's so much of it at Glastonbury. However, if you see someone who looks like this, with a spliff in hand; avoid at all costs. I couldn't give a shit about your political views, or chakra.
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Been there, done most of it for long periods of time and could probably write an essay on the rights, wrongs and levels of addiction - tj would still tell me I'm wrong though 😉

Joking teej!

Nah he really will.

Went to see Flaming Lips play last night. Tried to experience it sober.
Soon realised that my herbal vape was the missing ingredient. Blazed up, and
shortly after Wayne floated past me riding a technicolour unicorn.
I shit you not.

I'm firmly in the alcohol drinkers and tobacco smokers are big fat hypocrites camp.
Try everything once, enjoy yourself.

Hello lovlies, just back from Glas.

Likewise.

Not been since about 1992, there were scallies shouting "black 'ash" and "pills" just about everywhere then.

'92 was my first year. The years blend a bit. As far as I remember no legit overnight music back then - some stuff going on in the southeast corner where the travellers were. Biggest parties were at the Joe Banana's blanket stall and off the back of a truck in the Glade. Bizarrely the Wine Bar trucks had little raves right through as well. Of the 50k capacity there were no more than a couple of thousand going through the night.

Travellers were still there but I think it was the first year the Police were actually on site but it looked like they'd been instructed not to interfere. There were rastas openly sat in a camping chair with their wares laid out in front selling. I saw a Police Land Rover make its way though a crowd with a kid walking behind shouting "E's, Whizz". There were hard drugs back then as well - they'd always have a few overdoses from people injecting in those years but you don't hear about that now despite it being 4x the size.

Proportion of Liverpudlians and Mancs back then was far higher. There was a lot more theft and the whole place felt a lot edgier (that said, there's still a lot of theft from tents on the Thursday night - met someone who'd been for the first time yesterday and they lost a wallet of cash from the tent on Thursday this year).

First time I went was 2000 ......, and I remember dealers openly walking around the campsites shouting out "HASH, TRIPS, Es, WHIZZ; GET YOUR HASH, TRIPS, Es, WHIZZ"

2000 was the year the wall came down and it was mental. Licensed capacity was c100k. I've seen actual attendance estimated at 250k.

You mean it's not like this any more? ....I'd be very surprised if drugs were MORE ubiquitous now. If that's not an oxymoron anyway.

There's been very little open dealing for many years - I think I only heard one over the whole weekend. I think security and Police come down pretty heavy on it. Not many people going around asking either. (we saw someone get picked up near the Bimble Inn on Thursday? night. He started shouting for someone to get the Police which would probably have been a bad idea. He looked properly scared to start with but I checked back and he was laughing with them later. I'm guessing confiscated and let go).

Drugs....hmmmm I reckon that in all the years going there's probs less drugs these days that ever, Searches are pretty hard when you que to get in, and there are sniffer dogs and amnesty bins all over the place.

Not my experience. More people than ever seem to be staying up late - SE Corner used to get quieter as the night went on but it was still crazy busy when I was heading home at 5ish on Saturday night and there are more late night venues across the site every year. In all the years I've been I've only ever seen sniffer dogs once and that was at Castle Cary train station. We arrived on Wednesday evening and no-one's bags were being searched. I've never seen an amnesty bin.

Searches definitely happen - we were talking to one of the security at the medical centre and she said they do a fair bit of self selection. They all have 'chav bags' apparently (no idea what's classed as a chav bag). She'd picked up some kid trying to come in with a kilo of grass. After they confiscated it he asked them if he could pick it up on his way out when he was heading home (!)

Is that the step where you go out for about an hour on Friday night then a bunch of you just head back to the house and proceed to get off your tits for 3-4 days straight?

developing a second internal monologue was a good sign it was time to knock it on the head

she said they do a fair bit of self selection

IME you just need to look a bit 'low rent'. I got searched a lot at one point in time. Ironically enough I was rather clean at that stage.

IME you just need to look a bit 'low rent'

I sat next to someone on a plane back from Thailand or somewhere once. He looked like a hippy and said he always got his bags taken apart. We were chatting right up to customs and sure enough.....

walking through the campsites shouting "E's, Whizz"

I did come across a Policeman in full uniform on year giving that classic call as he handed out lip balm and sunscreen!