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I created this topic as my topic, created specifically with regards to footpaths and the Police, Crime, Sentencing and Courts Bill 2021, was diverging into a discussion about travellers.
Post your thoughts about travellers and the new Bill here...
If someone in authority wants to 'get' you, having more legal powers is always useful.
Note, you don't need to be a Traveller to be held for offences in the Bill.
Is this a new series where they're all living in caravans down the Jasmine Allen?
A view from the Traveller's side:
https://twitter.com/RoadsideMum/status/1308874449178054659?s=20
Will they still be able to have big weddings?
Asking for a friend at Channel 4
Whilst a few things i've read regarding this bill do sound worrying, i'm quite happy with anything that can be used to stop the travelling community behaving completely outside the law.
Jesus that's horrible. Effectively it means that people that stay in all those lovely converted VWs will be breaking the law just by stopping 'with intent to reside' So whilst one might think it'll come in handy with traveller types it can be used to incriminate ordinary otherwise law abiding citizens.
Thank you very much Tory voting funts.
Hoardes. Now that’s a portmanteau with possibilities.
Read my link. There are already powers to move them on quickly but they frequently aren't used. The anti Traveller bit is being used as a dead cat to cover up all the other restrictions. It's almost as if we have a Government who know that one day people are going to wake up to their piss taking and be pretty narked. Sadly it's going to be too late to do anything like march to protest about it.
And, of course, if the legislation passes, all protestors face up to ten years in jail if people might be annoyed by the protest.
Honestly, I've got to get out of this ****ing country - it's gone mad.
Whilst a few things i’ve read regarding this bill do sound worrying, i’m quite happy with anything that can be used to stop the travelling community behaving completely outside the law.
First they came for the Travellers, and I did not speak out -
Because I wasn't a Traveller...
Effectively it means that people that stay in all those lovely converted VWs will be breaking the law just by stopping ‘with intent to reside’
So the end of wannabe hipster “vanlife” morons clogging up every nice bit of countryside with their vans covered in gaudy plastic and lifestyle decals leaving their crap behind them. Sounds like a good idea!!
There are already powers to move them on quickly but they frequently aren’t used.
Makes you wonder why the settled community sees the traveling community as above the law....
The issues around the traveling community are complex, the legislation is probably more about forcing local authorities and the police to do something about an issue that fills many MPs inboxes. As with any group there are socially responsible people and those who aren't, they may or may not travel together but people remember bad experiences
As for the let them buy their own sites argument it fails to deal with the reality that planning is a local matter, the locals remember the bad experiences and vote. The government legislated to try and deal with this and requires the LA to assess and provide but that consistently fails
But you know, it's all the settled communities fault etc etc
My View is that existing laws are not *enforced.
Anti social behaviour, criminal damage, Fly tipping, etc.
* so why do we need new legislation to enoforce things that can already be enforced?
This just seems like the government saying, look! we've taken action! without any thought to enforcement.
On the other side of the coin, it looks like the legislation could easily be abused if someone were to be casually camping in a tent, or a cyclist who accidentally takes the wrong route.
Conclusion: its just press fodder to make people think the government is doing something, when in acutal fact, it's not, it' just eroding the freedoms of regular people even futher, which is the way of the tories.
My View is that existing laws are not *enforced.
Anti social behaviour, criminal damage, Fly tipping, etc.
* so why do we need new legislation to enoforce things that can already be enforced?
Exactly this ^^^^
I don't wish to doom-monger but we are seriously heading down the path of becoming an authoritarian one-party 'managed democracy' like Russia or Turkey.
I don’t wish to doom-monger but we are seriously heading down the path of becoming an authoritarian one-party ‘managed democracy’ like Russia or Turkey.
More like Canada, the number of bylaws that are enforced is quite astounding
so why do we need new legislation to enoforce things that can already be enforced?
To remove the excuses for the enforcement bodies that are failing to do the enforcement now.
There may or may not be good reasons for that approach, such as failure to meet statutory provision.
First they came for the Travellers, and I did not speak out –
Because I wasn’t a Traveller…
Too right mate, far too much of that Daily Mail idiocy going about.
This just seems like the government saying, look! we’ve taken action! without any thought to enforcement.
They don't care about enforcement, that is others peoples job and they can take the blame for not carrying out the things the wonderful government say they should be doing.