[Closed] The STW Political Poll

Yeah ok, is the poll finished? What is the result?

GIGOLOS FOR THE LAYDEEZ PLEASE

Cap'n Poldark will be fine though.

IS STW unavailable in Wales?

IS STW unavailable in Wales?

I was wondering the same thing, but I can't say too much, because I live in Wales, and I don't want to give too much away about my own choice.

That'll be the postal votes from Tower Hamlets.

😆

I don't think I could ever vote Tory, the exception being if I lived in Tower Hamlets.

chewkw getting a hard-on dreaming about firearms again.

But that would be against the spirit of things, wouldn't it?

And I definitely can't imagine any of the right-wing bellends on here being petty enough to do something like that, eh?

slowoldman - Member
chewkw getting a hard-on dreaming about firearms again.

I have been looking at the firearms the police are carrying in the city centre, I mean some of the female officers carrying AR-15 variants look hot. 😛 Also noticed the pistol with cord (Murican dont have cord) as I have not seen that for so many years. Magazine is only 3/4 full but I think they also carry spares (hope they do).

edit: I think there should be RoboCop ... 😆

I think there should be RoboCop ...

I think you should be first in line when it starts ****ing shit up.

What's the result then? You can't ask us to do a survey then not publish the result

It would be interesting to have a survey of which papers/news sites people visit alongside this.

I doubt many would be reading the sun or the mail here.

My crystal ball tells me that reading broadsheets would lead to people have more of an understanding of what they are voting for.

And where they are geographically. I have always assumed voting labour to be a northern and/or unemployed thing.

You can't ask us to do a survey then not publish the result

vote early, vote often

that might be why the results are either no published or not meaningful.
only 2 of my alter egos voted 😉 (to prove a point, not skew the results)

I think there should be RoboCop

You do realise that Robocop was a satire, don't you?

Back to the election for a minute - my local area is almost devoid of any signs or banners, which is very unusual for any pre-election campaign. Even social media seems to be very muted.

Perhaps everyone has paid heed to Billy Connolly's assertion "Don't vote. It only encourages them".

The reason I haven't published any results is that I believe after the last batch I did publish, someone skewered them by voting Conservative multiple times. Since then, however, I have had about 350 more responses, so that may have been ironed out.

In which case, my wholly unscientific poll so far reveals the following:

552 Total votes

Conservative - 225 for [b]40.76%[/b]
Labour - 184 for [b]33.33%[/b]
Lib Dem - 69 for [b]12.5%[/b]
SNP - 31 for [b]5.61%[/b]
Green - 21 for [b]3.8%[/b]
Destroyed Ballot - 18 for [b]3.26%[/b]

SaxonRider - Member
The reason I haven't published any results is that I believe after the last batch I did publish, someone skewered them by voting Conservative multiple times. Since then, however, I have had about 350 more responses, so that may have been ironed out.

In which case, my wholly unscientific poll so far reveals the following:

552 Total votes

Conservative - 225 for 40.76%
Labour - 184 for 33.33%
Lib Dem - 69 for 12.5%
SNP - 31 for 5.61%
Green - 21 for 3.8%
Destroyed Ballot - 18 for 3.26%

That's a bit of a surprise if that is accurate ... 😛

It must be the silent majority of STW. 😆

How on earth do people spoil the ballot? 😯

What happened to my vote for Plaid?

treated with the contempt it deserved!

Well if people have tried to fiddle saxonrider's poll that's weirdly pathetic 8O. But if it is accurate and this being a cycling forum it's not good news for labour. It also confirms my belief that people with a more left wing perspective like to argue their case far more passionetly. The noise they make is out of proportion to the actual support there is for their views. I suppose the Tories on here just can't be arsed with the arguing so remain silent.

If you're serious copa, I have no idea. I just went back to the results, and there is definitely no Plaid vote.

EDIT:

How on earth do people spoil the ballot?

Easy. I have done it in the past when I really believed there was no one worth voting for, but I still wanted to exercise my vote. I simply went into the ballot box, and drew a line through all the choices.

taxi25 - Member
It also confirms my belief that people with a more left wing perspective like to argue their case far more passionetly. The noise they make is out of proportion to the actual support there is for their views.

Tories don't post much, too much abuse.

Here is one of the old threads - there was another after the 2015 GE win, lots of Tory voters posted who never/rarely contribute to political threads

http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/anyone-on-here-voting-tory-why

It's a habit of theirs which is rather normal.

Whereas, a right winger who spouts off total nonsense in all directions at every possible opportunity, is a habit which nobody thinks is normal.

Whereas, a right winger who spouts off total nonsense in all directions at every possible opportunity, is a habit which nobody thinks is normal.

No, that's [i]exactly[/i] what we expect from right-wingers.

Hmm. Well, I voted for Plaid.

Tories don't post much, too much abuse.

And richly deserved abuse, too.

nealglover - Member

It's a habit of theirs which is rather normal.

Whereas, a right winger who spouts off total nonsense in all directions at every possible opportunity, is a habit which nobody thinks is normal.

keithr - Member
No, that's exactly what we expect from right-wingers.

keithr - Member
And richly deserved abuse, too.

To be fair tories don't get enough abuse

[i]How on earth do people spoil the ballot?[/i]

Easy. I have done it in the past when I really believed there was no one worth voting for, but I still wanted to exercise my vote. I simply went into the ballot box, and drew a line through all the choices

Although, in this case, it is simply (very simply) a matter of picking "Destroy Ballot" as your survey vote. Is that hard for a Tory to understand or summink?

Ya, but whenever I try to be friendly light hearted with you lot you consider yourself being abused

Any links to posts where you tried to be friendly light hearted and people have claimed to be abused?

Conservative - 225 for 40.76%
Labour - 184 for 33.33%
Lib Dem - 69 for 12.5%
SNP - 31 for 5.61%
Green - 21 for 3.8%
Destroyed Ballot - 18 for 3.26%

Bookmarked for the next time we get complaints about the forum being the preserve of lefties.

kerley - Member

Ya, but whenever I try to be friendly light hearted with you lot you consider yourself being abused

Any links to posts where you tried to be friendly light hearted and people have claimed to be abused?

keithr - Member
Whereas, a right winger who spouts off total nonsense in all directions at every possible opportunity, is a habit which nobody thinks is normal.
No, that's exactly what we expect from right-wingers.

keithr - Member
Tories don't post much, too much abuse.
And richly deserved abuse, too.

somafunk - Member
To be fair tories don't get enough abuse

🙄

Zero respect for an alternative point of view, assumption that being in support of some right wing policies means you support all and can't think some more social progressive polices are also valid. Assumption that you support idiots like Maybot & Boris, assumption that any support for right wing policies is purely based on selfish personal reasons rather than a genuine belief the world doesn't work the way people with opposing views believe. We'll see come election time what the country thinks, for what it's worth Corbyn seems to be upping his game, actually has some policies that are sensible (unfortunately buried by the great leap backwards policies) and Maybot is rapidly losing the plot, shame the other alternatives are so lightweight.

But mainly being lumped in with chewkw. When he's deemed to represent your views you're just better off staying out of it.

stumpyjon - Member
But mainly being lumped in with chewkw. When he's deemed to represent your views you're just better off staying out of it.

Who are lumped in with me? What are you talking about who do I represent?

I [b]Do Not[/b] represent anyone apart from myself, however I do vote for the party(s) that I feel I like ... 😯

Zero respect for an alternative point of view 🙄

Stumpyjon, I notice you quoted me at the top of your post

What I wrote has nothing to do with who somebody votes for. It was aimed at one particular poster (and he knows who he is because he replied)

Zero respect for an alternative point of view

Not at all, Just forming my opinion on the tories (councillors and mp's) that i've met/have experience of.

Vile, homophobic, racist...., just some of the terms i can use on here to describe them.

However i do know Rory Stewart quite well (Penrith/Borders tory MP) he's very decent indeed but stymied by the machinations of the current Tory party policies.

Hard to respect people who dogmatically stick with a party that's doing so much damage to this country.

They'll have my respect when they're no longer Tories.

The words "assumption" and "assertion" is key here.

Once upon a time, you could read the right of centre press and although you might disagree ideologically, the case was put in a clear and rational way (Daily Mail and Sun excepted). You agreed to disagree, but the arguments stuck to basic rules of conduct.

When you look at the politics of Trump, Brexit and post-Cameron conservatism, the right seem to have abandoned the platform of rationale - I'll quote a conversation between a journalist and Newt Gingrich which went along these lines (forgive my paraphrasing):

Journalist: You know that Americans are safer than ever before with violent crime falling, don't you?
Gingrich: No, they're not.
Journalist: I have here the statistics to prove it. Crime rates have fallen across the board. Americans are less likely to be victims of violent crime.
Gingrich: But Americans don't [i]feel[/i] safer.

There's been a conscious shift in the narrative to strengthen the soundbites of the right wing press with assertions, not fact. It's almost as if the political right has abandoned the centre ground and has eschewed the evidence presented by experts and irrefutable, peer reviewed political science.

There's a reason why I regularly challenge he who must not be mentioned to present facts to back up his assertions. He knows perfectly well that his assertions are on the surface utterly meaningless, which in the context of STW crosses the line between lively debate and repeated trolling designed to provoke a negative response.

Interesting to see some keep calling their views "facts".

Now, I know there are many PhDs here to argue about facts etc ... 😆

But let me ask you some elementary questions about the way you derive your "facts" and your reporting (not journalistic) technique, since you should know so much.

Okay, let's try some of these basic questioning of facts ...

What's the methodology to consider facts?

Define fact?
From whose perspective do you consider that fact?
Who collected those data to consider fact?
How do they collect those data?
How do they derive (analyse) those data to consider fact?
Sample population?

Some of the very basic questions I was taught many years ago to scrutinise the so called "facts" when someone tries to spin views.

Now if I were to ask you about all the above questions you will have a complete shut down ... complete paralysis. 😛

Silly geese trying to argue facts. Fact! 😆

News reporters reporting facts? 😯

I will always challenge those that consider themselves so good they got their facts? 😛

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somafunk - Member

I would like to reply but I would get ban for reply like you with a poster. 😛

Trust me I have many funny ones. 😆

@chewkw

The very basic principles of peer reviewed philosophical and physical and science will answer that question for both of us. I don't know what level of education you've received, nor do I make assumptions as to that - it's patently obvious that your internet persona requires you to sidestep citations. That in itself is no bad thing, we all have an internet persona that we adopt - I'm no exception. However, as I've stated before, you will resort to repeated assertions to trigger a response which could easily be construed as trolling.

If we were debating on 4chan or b3ta then the rules of debate would be very different - I'm sure that one of us would've attempted the Chewbacca Defence. But you seem to often cross a line set in place by the moderators and take some delight in doing so.

PJM1974 - Member
The very basic principles of peer reviewed philosophical and physical and science will answer that question for both of us. I don't know what level of education you've received, nor do I make assumptions as to that - it's patently obvious that your internet persona requires you to sidestep citations. That in itself is no bad thing, we all have an internet persona that we adopt - I'm no exception. However, as I've stated before, you will resort to repeated assertions to trigger a response which could easily be construed as trolling.

I skipped most of the basic very obvious scrutiny because that will bore the hell out of everyone. I do hope you know there are many PhDs on STW (most are positivists if I can recall 😆 ) so they know I am poking fun at them when they are bias. They just pretend not to understand me by changing the topic.

Yes, there are STW forum rules and I comply with that. Not going to argue coz it's not mine. Occasionally, I get ticked off because someone reported me for "trolling" ... 😮

Anyhoo ... relax and be yourself. 😛

Good poll though eh.

Zero respect for an alternative point of view

Why would I "respect" a political position that I sincerely believe is an evil, self-absorbed, "Devil Take The Hindmost" excuse for crapping on anyone who doesn't fit its proponents' narrow view of "the right sort"?

[b]Respect is [i]earned[/i], StumpyJon - it's not a right, and disrespect is a valid form of political expression. Tories have earned [i]none[/i] me in my 56 years on the planet[/b].

Still - time yet, eh?

I do hope you know there are many PhDs on STW (most are positivists if I can recall ) so they know I am poking fun at them when they are bias

Oh I do. In my private offline life, I'm extremely close to academia so I can't escape from the discussions from people holding a doctorate if I tried.

But I'm confused as to the recognition that someone has a PhD and the relevant peer reviewed scrutiny that is a prerequisite of holding a doctorate and the assertion that there's often bias about something like climate change. On second thoughts, I don't require your answer to that as I suspect that your response will confuse me further, but I mean absolutely no offence when I say that.

For the record, I've never made a complaint to the mods about you or anyone else trolling - I prefer to confront the individual directly to give them the benefit of doubt, but if I may be honest I can only say that if you are on the receiving end of a complaint for trolling then you need to understand that a boundary has been crossed. Quite a few forumites have been banned in the past (TJ springs to mind for example) and have had to change their approach so as to continue posting here.

I make a point of engagement with people IRL with views that differ from my own, but the basic starting point is always mutual respect.

Good poll though eh.

No. I voted for Plaid and it wasn't registered.

Oh dear copa, you should join in with the oneupmanship bickering stuff then.

SaxonRider - Member
I generally keep away from political threads as there's generally too many people shouting on like the annoying kid in class.
I was kind of hoping that the anonymous nature of the poll would mitigate this problem. If it gets out of hand here, I'll bail myself.

lOLz. Who coulda predicted that!

You just have to monitor that yourself with your "critical" views.

So you can't even show me your own posts which are apparently light hearted and where people are saying you are abusing them.

No. I voted for Plaid and it wasn't registered.

Those damn Russians have been playing silly buggers again.

Respect is earned

So you can't even show me your own posts which are apparently light hearted and where people are saying you are abusing them.

You're surprised ?
Of course not, because you knew it was complete ...

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theocb - Member

Respect is earned

Says the chap posting bigoted nonsense

I was kind of hoping that the anonymous nature of the poll would mitigate this problem.

You've got many admirable qualities SR, your optimism especially 😆

 

keithr - Member
Why would I "respect" a political position that I sincerely believe is an evil, self-absorbed, "Devil Take The Hindmost" excuse for crapping on anyone who doesn't fit its proponents' narrow view of "the right sort"?

Avoiding the arrogance of thinking you're so right in your viewpoint and the opposing view is so wrong, it's about respecting the right of someone else to have different view without being rude about them. I sincerely believe that many of Corbyn's policies are fundamentally wrong and on a pragmatic level at best won't work and worst will cause unintentional harm, that doesn't mean I'm going to stoop to insulting him personally or accusing him of pursuing a self-serving agenda. Doing so would mean not testing my own world view by at least trying to understand someone else's. Go down that route and intolerance for anything different becomes the norm.

lOLz. Who coulda predicted that!

What do you mean, DezB? 😕

Erm, I mean predicted: [i]too many people shouting on like the annoying kid in class.[/i] <-that would happen on this thread.