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Gloucestershire, Oxfordshire, Bucks and Herts are Southern. Possibly with the inclusion of Herefordshire and Shropshire in summer - they then revert to being Northern in winter.
Worcs, Warwickshire and Northans are all Northern, as is everything above.
Beds, Cambs, Lincolnshire and those eastern counties are neither Northern nor Southern but some other weird entity, a bit like Holland.
I live in the west though lots of people who don’t live here think it’s the north. I have to travel north east to get to the north.If I travel east north east I can get to the north east
I used to think this too until Nobeerinthefridge informed me that I don’t actually live in the west, because my west isn’t west enough.
Too close to Harthill Services apparently.
Everything South of Sheffield is still part of France isn't it?..
The North = Yorkshire, Derbyshire, Lancashire, Cheshire and Merseyside.
Scotland is Scotland and has its own North and South, like Yorkshire it's big enough too warrant that.
The Northeast is not the north and is county Durham and Tyne and wear.
The lake district is not the North and is Cumbria.
The above are all North, but the The North
The below are all South but not The South
The midlands are Norfolk, lincs, notts, worcs, Warwickshire, Shropshire and staffs.
Wales is just Wales.
The South West is not The South and is Gloucestershire, Wiltshire, Dorset, Somerset, Devon and Cornwall.
I think Herefordshire is in Wales as it's certainly not the Midlands or the South west.
The South is that easterly bit thats left.
Easy - anywhere where they put gravy on the chips on their shoulder 😉
Is/was there a derilict factory in your town that had or has been for sale for ages, and is a bit of an eyesore?
If it was knocked down to make space for housing years ago, you probably live in the south
If it was repurposed as an art gallery or shared space , you probably live in the Midlands, Wales or Scotland
If it's just remained a shell for as long as people can remember , then you probably live in the north
Oh and Hendersons relish is just a pale imitation of Worcestershire sauce.
Do you have some sort of death wish saying things like that?
We take this sort of thing seriously.
Surrey Hills
Stoke is in the Midlands, just because it's a bit of a hole doesn't make it Northern. By the same token Harrogate is still Northern despite being an enclave of Surrey.
Errr ranos ..what the hell are you on about? ..I’m on about the village in Shropshire ..
Ah, so in a discussion about the centre of GB, you decided to talk about something else.
Did I say anything at all about Meriden ?
You didn't name the place at all. I was putting you right.
Please get it right before blindly jumping in ..😂
Do you open your mouth for reasons other than exchanging feet?
Never understood the confusion on this one. Almost every map of the UK I've ever seen has had a line clearly marked on it to show where the split is. It runs from Gretna to Berwick. HTH.
On the oft-quoted road-sign front, I've seen signs for "The North" when I've been latitudinally-advantaged over Inverness....
Perchy perhaps you live in the midlands.
Ranos ..Jesus Christ sunshine read the article will you ?
I was responding to Drac ..not yourself who had accused me of not reading the article I had posted ..now if you go back and actually read what I was responding to / putting Drac right ..you might actually "get it "
Or is that beyond you ?
Believe it or not, there's actually a north/south divide in wales. Categorised by the river Severn. If you want to be really difficult about it, the south is below Brecon, north above bala and mid between the two 😉
Ranos ..Jesus Christ sunshine read the article will you ?
I have. Would you like me to re-write it for you with simpler words?
After taking all the above into consideration, I still reckon it's Deansgate....🙂
Perchy perhaps you live in the midlands
😀 I live in the badlands.
NUTS 1 statistical regions - UKC, UKD and UKE
So North East, North West and Yorkshire and the Humber
I going with a roughly West - East wiggly line from Runcornish, to Grimsbyish. Sheffield is of course included, it's incontrovertible. Chesterfield, not so much. As for Hendo's, would you really put Worcestershire Sauce on your meat and potato pie?
Still supporting my M62 line
The Kingdom of Northumbria used to extend down to Sheffield - Meersbrook to be precise, so I always tend to think that anything South of Heeley is 'The Midlands'
Bits of North West Sheffield used to be part of West Riding, so they must be part of the North surly ... and lots of what is now Southern Sheffield used to be part of Derbyshire - so definitely Midlands ...
Manchester, Liverpool and Sheffield are all pretty close lattitude-wise so since Manchester & Liverpool are defined as the 'North-West' then Sheffield must also be in 'The North' ... well the Northern part of it anyway! 🙂
Stuart Maconie once suggested that the 'North' began at Crewe - I reckon there is some mileage in this.
Quite like the idea of the M62 though! and according to my friends up in Newcastle etc, we are all southerners except them!
Perchy 😁
For the next 3 months or so I live here
The BBC did a couple of interesting radio programmes on this subject in 2012, based on the socio-economic line from Grimsby to Gloucester (as shown in scu98rkr's map above).
Episode 1 Cleethorpes to Coventry
Episode 2 Warwick to the Severn
Well the Government must know, having set up Transport for the North at some considerable cost (£70bn is their total budget I think) they have an accompanying map to show where “the north” is. Manchester, Sheffield, Leeds, Hull and Doncaster are all in. Crewe, Chesterfield and Grimsby are out.
Ranos ..no I'm well aware of what I've written ..I was perhaps wondering if that would benefit you though ..or maybe you should just stand in the corner for a while with the dunce"s hat on ..
I take it you are from the south ..?😂
I reckon stoke and above but not including Lincolnshire and Wales. Then it kinda stops above Yorkshire where you have the north east. The north west is kind of a forgotten entity except the lakes, does anyone ever visit Carlisle I bet it's cold up there. This map is good.
https://wikishire.co.uk/map/#/centre=52.744,-0.617/zoom=8
Ranos ..no I’m well aware of what I’ve written ..I was perhaps wondering if that would benefit you though ..or maybe you should just stand in the corner for a while with the dunce”s hat on ..
You're aware that you're conflating the UK and GB, and referencing a hypothetical division that didn't happen? Most folk, when aware that they're talking cobblers, would stop. Not you though!
When I worked in Basingstoke, I remember the station advertised certain train destinations simply as "The North" (everywhere else was somewhere London and south of).
Ranos..why you had to get involved in something that didn't concern you in the first place is laughable ..as already stated I was responding to Drac ..who obviously hadn't read the article .
My stance is that Haltwhistle is the centre of Britain ..which the article confirms " depending on your point of view"
The only one talking cobblers is you old son ..am I supposed to think you are super intelligent now after your last response ..it just made you look a little foolish .
Ranos..why you had to get involved in something that didn’t concern you in the first place is laughable ..as already stated I was responding to Drac ..who obviously hadn’t read the article .
You seem to be unaware that this is an open forum.
The only one talking cobblers is you old son ..am I supposed to think you are super intelligent now after your last response ..it just made you look a little foolish .
If it helps you to believe that, be my guest.
I think its somewhere near Hatfield
Living on the south coast I consider anything north of Crawley to be "the North"
Failing that I follow Stuart Maconie's sage advice: the north begins at Crewe station, beyond which point the geology becomes harder, the accents flatter and the climate wilder. And the surface of the M6 turns from tarmac to cobbles
You could certainly map this out by the statistical prevalence of people with chips on their shoulder, as demonstrated by some of the loons on this thread. Funny though.
therealthing...l'm sorry you've lost me already with your bollockspeak .."statistical prevalence " ..what exactly does that mean ?
statistical prevalence of people with chips on their shoulder,
Are these chips fried in beef dripping? 🐂
I believe mushy peas with chips is also an indicator of being in The North.
A mate of mine from Manchester came up to Edinburgh for a party. He was most put out at being introduced to folk as " my mate from down south"
It’s ok Ranos just claiming a town in the Northumberland is the center of the uk makes it so. Guess there’s a lot of flat earth believers in in Haltwhistle.
Wrong again Drac ..I never said UK ..
Get it right ..
While on the subject ..it's not me saying this it's well documented ..here is another link for you ..
https://co-curate.ncl.ac.uk/haltwhistle-the-centre-of-britain/
The earth isn't flat ?..
Who would have believed it ..you live and learn ..
Anywhere above the Equator?
Seriously though, the North must include Sheffield - just ask Steve Peat if he is a Southern Jessie.
Oh sorry. Britain.
It’s ok Ranos just claiming a town in the Northumberland is the center of the uk makes it so. Guess there’s a lot of flat earth believers in in Haltwhistle.
On the one hand, we have chippy locals trying to prop up tourism. On the other, we have the state cartographer. It's a difficult choice...
Centre of Britain? Hold on chaps, OS defines Britain as England and Wales, so that would put the centre further south wouldn't it?
Damn, this is nearly as confusing as finding The North... 🙂
The "The North" starts where the Romans gave up 🙂
According to my detailed studies 1975.
Those in the north know how to spell "centre" 😉
Where's the North? It's where it's at!
If a man enters a pub and orders a half pint, and it's deemed socially acceptable, he's in the south.
My God somebody has looked at the other photos on IG
🙂
"Those in the north know how to spell “centre” Where’s the North? It’s where it’s at!"
whitestone
Where’s the North? It’s where it’s at!
Dunno, it sounded pretty quiet when I was talking to my mate up at Dunnet a few minutes ago. 🙂
The North isn’t a place, it’s a state of mind
Page 1 nailed it.
For me anything below Penrith is Midlands to me.
It does seem odd that people think "The North" finishes below Cumbria.
Scotch Corner A66.
Pee stop at the House of Bruar is the defining line for me
South of Sheffield is “East Midlands” so i’d put the A57 as the great divide. Northeast starts at Thirsk, ok it’s in Yorkshire but Herriott was a Mackem-supporting Glaswegian. Northwest is north of M62 & west of the Pennines, as far up as Carlisle.
It’s where chips are from isn’t it?
chips for tea.
fish and chips for £2.50.
Chips (editor).
chips on shoulders.
chips for dinner.
Birmingham is the midlands so anywhere above that is North
The chips on shoulder comment has surfaced quite a lot on this thread mainly by people not from the north. Why is that?
Doesn't it depend on which BBC region you get?
Dolgellau is the gateway to Gogland.
I believe mushy peas with chips is also an indicator of being in The North
No doubt and the better the fish and chips. (and the best fish and chips in the country resides in an 80 year old barn in a village in Lincolnshire.)
North is a direction not a location.
As long as you're heading that way you're doing okay.
No idea where The North is but it’s fun to refer to folk from Yorkshire and Lancashire as Southerners.
Do you own google home or Alexa and it actually understands what you’re trying to say? You’re from the south.
The chips on shoulder comment has surfaced quite a lot on this thread mainly by people not from the north. Why is that?
Oh, I think you know
Was in Mansfield the other week and that's definitely in the North. Gritty locals, flat caps, whippets, bar eck aslike etc
By the same token a recent visit to Hereford was positively equatorial. Leaves on the trees, lots of apples, friendly relaxed natives.
Talking to some of the guys in our Wandsworth warehouse - anywhere north of the Thames they're expecting kilts and bagpipes, north of the North Circular is all eskimos and polar bears. (and I'm not joking - there was one guy who started working for us. Mid 30's and he'd never been north of the river!)
As someone brought up in Leicester, that was midlands. North of Nottighamshire would count as north.
Now as a happy resident of The People's Republic Of South Yorkshire And The Peak District, I'd say we might still be midlands geographically, but northern in spirit.
I'm from Manchester and i have never been so insulted as when my partner (from Cumbria, living in York) refused to acknowledge me as northern.
I work in London where everyone thinks im a flat cap wearing pigeon fancier.
I live near Chester now so "believe" im on the southern end of the north or the northern end of the midlands.
I live near Chester now so “believe” im on the southern end of the north or the northern end of the midlands.
No, you're in Cheshire dahling.
If you buy a really expensive smart watch,it can show you were North is.
Talking to some of the guys in our Wandsworth warehouse – anywhere north of the Thames they’re expecting kilts and bagpipes, north of the North Circular is all eskimos and polar bears.
🤣👍👏
Stepps or Bishopbriggs is the start of the North.
Once I'm passed Ecclefechan I'm well on the way to the South
there was one guy who started working for us. Mid 30’s and he’d never been north of the river!
Envious in some ways - just think of how adventurous he'd feel just by getting into a car and heading up the M1!
My wife's family think of themselves as living in the frozen North of the USA (Wisconsin). Of course there is a whole country more northern and frozen than them - and it's fun to remind them that they are a lot further south than we are.
Northern England = Macc and above
Northern Britain = Scotland
PhilH was right on page 1 - if your hometown is in the KLF song you're in the club
Is Crewe in the North?
In Scotland it's somewhere south of Inverness because Inverness and beyond is referred to as Far North in the local papers
Is Crewe in the North?
Just.
Chesterfield and above I'd say.
Trough pf bowland is geo central there is a phone box to commemorate it.
North anything above a horizontal line that starts at about Chester/Wales
Barnet
Everything past Taunton is up country. Birmingham is practically the Arctic.
BigButSlimmerBloke
In Scotland it’s somewhere south of Inverness because Inverness and beyond is referred to as Far North in the local papers
Yes, the South starts at Aviemore. Always surprised there's not palm trees when I venture that far down. 🙂
Quite clearly the North is the East bound carriageway of the M62 and above. As far as I know there’s just a few wildlings living on berries and stuff above Carlisle.
You’ve got the midlands from Stoke down to Coventry but nobody goes there for obviously reasons.
Anything under that is Darn Sarf which you only pass through to head to the Alps.