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I didn't much like the first series, violence just because a character is a wrong'un, unconvinced by British actors playing Canadians*. Second series is significantly better. Just read this on the TV show's wikipedia page: "On November 23, 2015, FX renewed Fargo for a third season."
*Poss North Americans, and I'm confused because they film it in Canada.
Excellent,some cracking scenes.
Karl Weather(King of breakfasts)and Betsy,then the Bear and Simone in the woods with those overhead shots.
Yeah, excellent stuff. Particularly liked the overhead thing; those shadows were just gorgeous in contrast to the snowy floor.
Agree about ol' Jethro, too!
Particularly liked the overhead thing;
They needed to balance the props on the quad-copter it was taken from, the footage was a bit wobbly.
Am I the only sad arse that notices immediately when drone camera work is used? It's getting quite common.
Karl Weather(King of breakfasts)
Does Nick Offerman play Ron Swanson in everything he's in?
Bring me all the bacon and eggs that you have...
I thought it was Swiss Tony.
I'm really enjoying this series, as good as S1 in my view (although different), ensemble cast is great.
Some great Coen themes going on, like how difficult it is to actually dispose of a body (all the way back to Blood Simple).
+1 for Nick Offerman as Karl Weathers
+1 for Bruce Campbell as Ronnie
+1 for Jethro Tull
+1 for wanting to find out how the shootout in Sioux Falls goes down
Do I remember in S1, Lou telling Gus's daughter about Molly's grandad (who we now know as Ted Danson) waiting up outside the house all night with a shotgun to guard against some bad guys, while Molly slept inside? Hope I'm right!
Ffs, I've just found out that Nick Offerman is two years younger than me. Too old. 🙁
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Hmmm. Was a little less convinced with last night's episode.
Like how Dodd managed to escape yet despite his accrued anger, brutality & sadistic remorseless killing was unable to take advantage of a situation that had the odds turned massively in his favour.
On, and the Indian ran out of bullets. Yeah right.
Can't wait for next weeks episode though ?
I thought last nights was great, lots of black humour in it.
Yes some of it was improbable but I really enjoyed that one,
Why did Hanzee shoot Dodd?
Wasn't really clear was it, but I think he'd just got fed up with being enslaved to the Gerharts, and the incident in the bar previous made him want to be the author of his own destiny.
I thought it was more odd why the Blumquists wanted to stab him when he really didn't seem to be any threat to them, having just killed Dodd.
None of which is going to make me stop watching. Mike's going to be pissed when he gets to his meeting with Ed and there's no Dodd to capture.
LOL spoiler, Martin Freeman is in the latest episode
I reckon he would have killed them because they were witnesses or just because.
Blumquists could be arrested now, if not Ed would be pretty silly to meet Millican.
Just catching up on this, the start to 7, great start to the episode.
Like how Dodd managed to escape yet despite his accrued anger, brutality & sadistic remorseless killing was unable to take advantage of a situation that had the odds turned massively in his favour.
Yeah, I had the same problem with that bit. He's not a particularly controlled character, yet when he's freed and has Peggy at his mercy, he's content with knocking her out and waiting for Ed to show up so he can kill him in a needlessly elaborate, unrealistic fashion.
I suppose that had the scene played out in a more realistic fashion it would just have been unpalatable (not to mention knackering the plot somewhat - it is a "true story" after all!). Still, it felt like a bit of a pulled punch.
The end of Hanzee's arc felt more satisfying and a bit surprising. He initially appears to be a classic Coen Brothers antagonist: implacable, almost supernatural (his exchange with the gas station owner was very reminiscent of Chigurh in No Country for Old Men). However, in the end, he's just another traumatised soldier and somewhat emblematic of old crimes (in this case, genocide) poisoning the present.
Not perfect, but great stuff.
Why am I reading this before watching yesterday's episode?
Why am I reading this before watching yesterday's episode?
depends if you are watching yesterdays US broadcast or not, it being a week ahead like.
LOL spoiler
Blend
Why did Hanzee shoot Dodd?
The clues are all there - Hanzee (quite baselessly) claiming the butcher was working for Kansas driving the Gerhardts closer to war ** - going mental when called names at the bar. So he's already on the fence with Dodd & family and shoots him when he calls him a mongrel.
Personally I would have liked to see Dodd suffer more at the hands of Peggy, she owned him! Also, Mike Milligan should get his own series, if he survives...
** edit: also why Hanzee is on such a mission to kill Ed to cover up his 'lie' that Ed is a Kansas contract killer.
Why did Hanzee shoot Dodd?
I suppose it depends on what he does next. But Dodd has been a problem for the Gerhardts throughout:
- mistreating Simone to the point that she betrays them
- disrespecting his mother
- sabotaging the Kansas City negotiations by beating up the KC thugs in the doughnut shop
- getting Charlie involved in the botched hit on Ed, against Bear's wishes
- trying to beat Bear in front of their men
- obviously, getting kidnapped by Peggy
(there's probably more)
Dodd was a dangerous numbskull who wasn't doing any of them any favours. And Bear went out of his way a couple of weeks back to assure Hanzee that he was a Gerhardt man and not just Dodd's man. That seemed to roll off him, but I can't help wondering whether he has made his own calculation that he is potentially better off with Floyd and Bear than he is with Dodd. And coming straight from shooting a load of racists to finding Dodd and immediately being called a mongrel might have pushed him over even if he hadn't entirely decided which way he was swinging before he found Dodd.
I enormously enjoyed the entirely unforced repetition of the "going crazy, out by the lake" line from the film.
It's been bugging me slightly, whether the cabin that the Blumquists hole up in is the same cabin that Gus finds Malvo in at the finale of the first season. I don't think it can be, and I guess they all look the same and there are plenty of lakes!
Peggy has almost completely lost it, hasn't she? I have no clue how she's going to end up...
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Hanzee (quite baselessly) claiming the butcher was working for Kansas..
Must admit, I thought Dodd and Hanzee had cooked this up between them.
Loved the film. Liked S1. Loving S2. It's been brilliant so far and Mondays episode (watched last night) didn't disappoint. I can't help but thinking that Hanzee was sent to kill Dodd a la Bear and Simone and 'it's a done deal' (or whatever the wording was).
Although it's also entirely plausible that the incident in the bar tipped Hanzee over the edge. His loyalty and acts for the Gerharts as for his Country still going unacknowledged and in respected by his peers. Remember Bear telling him he thought of him as a brother were as Dodd used him to conduct his dirty work with very little respect.
Hanzee told Ed and Peggy that he wanted to get away from his current life - can't remember the exact dialogue. The haircut is a symbol of that - and of course, being a Coen-style thing, no-one gets to move on and leave the past behind, so that gets interrupted.
Anyone else notice the unfinished hangman game grafitti on the phone booth glass at the petrol station ?
S _ o _x F _l _ s
I *think* it became more complete (the hangman puzzle) each time Ed visited the booth.
All building up to the big Sioux Falls showdown 🙂
Yes, I noticed that. Makes me wander what other easter eggs I've missed.
I spotted that hangman too, but being a bit thick like, thought no more of it.
Must admit, I thought Dodd and Hanzee had cooked this up between them.
It’s certainly what Dodd wants to believe. Bear tells Hanzee quite directly that they are going to war on his information about the butcher. Hanzee doesn’t respond - I know Dodd pulls him to one side, but I’m sure he’s not afraid of Dodd & if he cared about the family he could have intervened.
Also Hanzee calls the Gerhardts to say he’s found Dodd alive. When does he do this? He doesn’t know where Dodd is until he finds the cabin, but he immediately enters & shoots Dodd, so he must called after killing him. He’s actively undermining the family.
The timeline has been a lot less linear in the last couple of episodes to hide a few plot twists I suspect.
This is all on public record anyway as it’s a true story 😉 the only thing bothering me at this point is THE SPACESHIP!!
Right at the start of this series there was that bit on the film set - it introduced the Reagan era and obviously ties to Hanzee but am I missing something? I didn't pay enough attention to actors, characters and the like to see any direct links.
Apparently the film being shot was A Massacre at Sioux Falls, though I have no idea of the relevance aside from the obvious.
I quite like the bit with the stabbing of Dodd. I thought the acting from Dunst was excellent; the curiously spiteful side of her as she stabbed him for the second time.
As for the shooting - I reckon it was an act of spontaneity in response to being referred to as a mongrel.
Not sure about the hangman thing - I'm going to have re watch it to see if it gets further along every visit Ed makes to the booth. I noticed it but didn't see any change - probably just a bit too baked...
tthew » Am I the only sad arse that notices immediately when drone camera work is used? It's getting quite common.
I blurted out to my other half that it was more than likely a drone thing and how common they're becoming for arty aerial shots. So no, I'm a bit of a sad arse, too.
The Spaceship WTF 😯
Anyone else "realised"?
Eeeeeeeeeeek!
Omg, tonight's is so good 😀 .
Got to love Peggy " It's just a flying saucer Ed, we've got to go " 😆
Hmmm. Flying saucer. Going to have to let that one percolate a while.
Soundtrack continues to rule.
Episode highlight: Milligan says "OK then.".
Curious English accent for the narrator?
At least now I know I didn't dream the spaceship when it distracted Rye before he was mown down by Peggy. She's the only common factor - maybe she's been probed so many times her mind has gone!
Martin Freeman narrated (also starred Season 1) yes he's English.
oddly familiar though, eh? 😉
Almost elementary... 😉
oddly familiar though, eh?
Almost elementary...
Only being a wannabe anorak I can't remember what happened to Freeman's character last time. The book he's narrating was old, but the 'Malvo era' was mid 2000's??
I'll just watch and enjoy.
Must admit. I never saw the spaceship thing coming. Not sure it fits in with the series but hey ho. Good to hear Martin Freeman narrate the story too. Poor mum got her comeuppance too.
I thought the voice over stuff seemed out of place
So great, and yet the usual improbables nark me.
Once again the highly skilled assassin Hanzer gets scuppered by the dim witted Blomqvuists.
The bullet through the head of the gas station owner from beyond the phone box and through glass is the sign of a true marksman. Pity he seems to be unable to hit the relative sitting targets of the lead characters in the shoot out scene.
But its still really great. Best drama series I've seen for years.
The good news was that the book started in 1825(?) so plenty of scope for more prequels. The story is set around the time of Close Encounters so ufo is bang on trend.
Just watched it on catch up. Ace, I may have to re-watch series 1 when it's finished.
They threw something in his face to distort his sight.
Episode highlight: Milligan says "OK then."
And the "My best piss?" conversation.
I like the theory that Peggy is an alien or regular abductee, and also that 1825 gives loads of scope for S3.
I've just watched the film The Man Who Wasn't There - I think you lot would like it!
Episode 9 was quite something! They really are happy to take some remarkable risks with format and content.
The good news was that the book started in 1825(?) so plenty of scope for more prequels.
It hadn't occurred to me that they might take it that far back, but I suppose if you were careful about the aesthetics it's doable without changing the feel. The Gerhardt's farm wouldn't have changed much in a century visually - just swapped in cars for horses I suppose.
I never saw the spaceship thing coming. Not sure it fits in with the series but hey ho
It was a bold move, wasn't it? I mean, when Rye and Hanzee saw lights in the sky, it wasn't at all obvious that it was really something that was actually there. And Hank's strange collection of picture-writing in his study tied in but wasn't proof that we were going to get an actual flying saucer as part of the reality. But it's definitely meant to be now - we saw too many people seeing it for it to be explained away as something that someone imagined. Remarkable. 🙂
The Man Who Wasn't There
Indeed, it's on the list!
It occurred to me after watching it that Hanzee, without prattling on about it or reading any self-help materials, appears to have "fully actualized", it is entirely possible that he is "being the best Hanzee he can be" and he is certainly "doing, not thinking". He doesn't say enough for it to be obvious whether he is as unhinged as Peggy is though.
I haven't much clue who is going to make it through.
We know Lou does, but Betsey won't.
Hank? Hope so. I'm not sure I can cope with Lou losing Hank and Betsey at this point.
Hanzee or the Blumquists? Surely not all three of them can make it out alive?
Mike? I think so now. He's magically ended up with the Gerhardt's annihilated, and he hasn't done anything that Lou is going to go after him for, has he?
[i]Detective[/i] Ben[i]jamin[/i] Schmidt is going to be fine, but he's going to somehow spin it so that he's the hero of the Sioux Falls Massacre and it was all somehow Lou's fault I suspect.
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must keep schtum 😉
must keep schtum
It is appreciated. I have no patience with spoiler-babies, but those who refrain from spoiling are still gentlepersons.
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val johnson ufo
What's only just occurred to me when watching the last episode is that it's linked to S1.
The main character Lou's Solverson, his daughter Molly, is the police officer from S1 and in S1 he is the café owner who talks of those series of events and murders when he was a police officer.
^^ I must say there is a lovely homage to the Coen brothers that ties s1 to s2 in the last episode, and it's not from Fargo 🙂
KingofBiscuits - MemberWhat's only just occurred to me when watching the last episode is that it's linked to S1.
The main character Lou's Solverson, his daughter Molly, is the police officer from S1 and in S1 he is the café owner who talks of those series of events and murders when he was a police officer.
Well done Sherlock. 😆
Well done Sherlock.
Well worth reading this thread, by jove!
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I think S3 is confirmed as taking place a couple of years after S1
edit: 2010 - 4 years after S1 but will not include any of the first season regulars as primary players in the action. “That’s not to say that one of our stories might not intersect with characters we’ve seen before for a certain period of time,”
Well, that failed to answer an awful lot of questions...
Ah that was ace.
"That's the big rock men have to push. We say it's our burden, but really it's our privilege" I'm saving that one for future use.
Well there's still Charlie Gerhardt left to take revenge on Kansas City, it'll be interesting to see if that has anything to do with the next series and of course there's always Peggy. She's nutty enough to become some sort of Femail Bourne assasin character.
Hanzee is at a bit of a loose end as well.
last week was the climax really. Last night's was tying up the ends. Superb stuff anyway.
That's the big rock men have to push. We say it's our burden, but really it's our privilege
Might have been an answer to Camus' 'the myth of Sisyphus', Camus getting a few nods in the series including last night. Anyway, Al says:
[i]If this myth is tragic, that is because its hero is conscious. Where would his torture be, indeed, if at every step the hope of succeeding upheld him? The workman of today works everyday in his life at the same tasks, and his fate is no less absurd. But it is tragic only at the rare moments when it becomes conscious.[/i]
http://dbanach.com/sisyphus.htm for full text. My favourite of his essays; last paragraph is v good (pretentious moi?)
When's spiral back?
pleaderwilliams - MemberWell, that failed to answer an awful lot of questions...
If it did, then I'm perfectly happy for them to remain so.
[url= http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/12/fargo-who-is-moses-tripoli-season-2-finale-recap-palindrome ]Vanity Fair's reviewer[/url] has spotted what Hanzee did next. I confess I'd have missed that [i]completely[/i]. As indeed have a number of other reviewers.
That being the case, when he set off towards the kids on the baseball field, the two who we saw signing were Messrs Wrench & Numbers maybe? Feel like I need to watch Season 1 again...
It was a huge relief to me to see Lou, Hank and Betsey together. As with Gus and Molly and Lou coming through Season 1 in one piece, it just made me happy. Writers and actors were very good at making me care about these characters, and I breathed easier when I saw Hank on his feet.
I very much enjoyed the way that Lou and Hank both knew they'd seen the flying saucer and probably weren't going to write it into the report in [i]too[/i] much detail. It confirmed it as being real, but also Fargo as happening in our world, without any (confirmed) flying saucers - quite a good resolution I think.
Poor old Ed ended sadly, surrounded by chilled meat. I suppose he was going back to what he knew. He looked so weary from the first sight of him, even before he was shot, you almost knew he was done in and Peggy was going to leave him behind somehow. It surprised me that the smoke was only in her head. And the point when she realised it, and that Ed was dead was heartbreaking. Dunst has done [i]really[/i] well with this I think. I struggle to think of anything I'd previously seen her in that was properly good (Spiderman doesn't count), but she was fantastic throughout.
Hey ho. So loooong to season 3. 🙂
I know - 14 months at least!
Ah [b]that[/b] Moses Tripoli. OK then.
Gotta try to get hold of the film now.
OK then.
I saw that at the end with Hanzee, not sure who all the kids were though.
WTF WAS WITH THE UFO?
I mean, WTAF?
It was a UFO
That bit I figured. It was 'the point' that I can't figure
I don't think they've done much to explain it, but here are some comments about it by the showrunner:
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/07/fargo-ufo/2
Finished it last night, very good
Great way to follow up season one
Got me looking forward to the Twin Peaks resurrection too
just seen the cast list for [url= http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5223488/?ref_=ttep_ep1 ]season three [/url]
just seen the cast list for season three
Looks good, can't wait for it, loved the first two seasons.
[s]two[/s] too much Ewan!
Some teasers
A twisted sibling rivalry leads to murder, mobsters and cutthroat competitive bridge in a small Midwestern town.
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Looks like it's still on C4 as well. Thought it had gone to Netflix or Prime or some other new fangled telly.
Did I miss season 2 then? the only season I recall watching was the one Martin Freeman's missus got bumped off in, with his coat on?.
Did I miss [s]season 2[/s] the blood bath then?
yes
Yep, get some beer in the fridge and binge watch season 2