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Since there doesn't seem to be an all encompasing thread on the joy and frivolty that is the Tory party conference held in a city that hates them, I thought it was best to start one.
So far we have had:
Jeremy hunt and his workers must work harder like the Chinese,
IDS and his comments on this disabled, his policies drawing the attention of the UN,
The tax payers alliance with Liam Fox and the cut pensioners benefits NOW because alot of them wil be dead come the next election. All this from an organisation who claims to look after the interests of the uk taxpayer, while its leader lives in France,
A speech from dear Theresa that made me think I've seen speeches like this before from some political party in Bavaria in 1936,
Call me dave stating that schools under local authority control are a thing of the past, throwing out the window the idea of localism, and a speech saying the opposition hates the UK, a trait they reconise in themselves as they seem to hate the poor, disabled, the unemployed, immigrants, the state etc,
Boris Johnson has come out of this looking half decent, which is amazing as he has been useless as London Mayor,
And the Telegraph is starting to look like the news from the socialist worker.
And its still only Wednesday.
Some don't seem to have got the memo that there's no Lib-Dems to blame for any problems this time around!
Not a Tory voter then El-bent ?
If there is one thing that could unite every party supporter that's the stringing up of Jeremy Hunt from a lamp post.
Don't worry about it, it's not like they're running the country or anything, right?
They've really excelled themselves this year. The worst bits are-
Theresa May, on the back of the public outcry at the government not helping Syrian refugees, calling for a huge clampdown on immigration.
IDS saying that it is not the job of the state to stop disabled people living in poverty.
[i]Female Conservative MPs have been put on a rota to walk around the party's annual conference with the Prime Minister.[/i]
[url= http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11916886/David-Camerons-arm-candy-rota-of-female-MPs-isnt-as-creepy-as-it-seems.html ]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11916886/David-Camerons-arm-candy-rota-of-female-MPs-isnt-as-creepy-as-it-seems.html[/url]
[i]Tolhurst is no push over – she runs her own business – but this week was relegated to the important job of walking into the Manchester conference hall with David Cameron[/i]
I'm not sure what's worst, the fact they're doing this or the fact they're completely open about it.
El-bent - Member
Jeremy hunt and his workers must work harder like the Chinese,
I don't disagree coz Chinese do work hard for very little return ...
There isn't really much silver lining to the horror that has unfolded in the middle of a City where most of the population would happily do time to get their hands on a front bencher in a dark alley. But this clip on Channel 4 news did make me smile. Briefly...
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I shall have my milky bar now please mother.
The Mash, once again, nails it.
MIDDLE England has admitted the Tories are the baddies in a film, just like those lefties always claimed.As the party made electoral calculations based on dead pensioners and ordered the poor to work like Chinese labourers while taking away their tax credits, middle class voters said it was all starting to seem ‘a tad gratuitous’.
Julian Cook, from Swindon, said: “Add in the posh boys and their filthy initiation ceremonies, Theresa May cynically scapegoating immigrants and the overall stench of corruption and I feel like I’m watching a bad thriller from 1980s.
“Possibly starring James Spader.”
Elaine Thompson, from Didcot, added: “I voted Tory because I don’t want to pay more tax and Ed Miliband seemed silly. I honestly didn’t expect them to start metaphorically stubbing out their cigars on a housekeeper’s forehead.
“How did I fall for all that ‘compassionate Conservative’ bullshit? It’s like I’m Demi Moore falling for the charms of James Spader in a film that was probably called Party Lines.”
Martin Bishop, a dreadful leftie from Finsbury Park, said: “It does feel incredibly strange to be right about something.”
Is it quite incredible how unpleasant they all are. I don't seem to recall Thatcher's or Major's cabinets being this repulsive (but it was a long time ago, so maybe I've just forgotten about it).
The Tories will do whatever they want.
So what if a minority suffer?
Jesus wept.
Do you live in London Op? Boris has actually done a pretty decent job of most things.
Frankenstein - MemberThe Tories will do whatever they want.
So what if a [s]minority[/s] majority suffer?
fify.
oh, and yes, jesus wept.
Worth a read...
So what if a majority suffer?
Fixed that for you, some Try voters may not realise it now, but they will be shafted in favour of the 1% when their kids are in poor privately run academies and they can't afford health insurance as the NHS has become a non-option.
I wish people would stop saying that David Cameron's plans are 'ambitious'! It makes it sound like a) he really means them and b) they're really laudable.
Is it quite incredible how unpleasant they all are.
Quite staggering isn't it? They literally are like a bunch of bad pantomime villains. Ed Milliband should have topped himself by now. He must be watching this, slack-jawed in disbelief. Because it really does take some doing to have this shower of utter *s elected before you! I mean... how *ing useless can one person be?
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[i]Strength through Unity. Unity through Faith.[/i]
nasty party
dear Theresa
call me dave
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Do you live in London Op? Boris has actually done a pretty decent job of most things.
Yes I do, and he really hasn't.
I don't seem to recall Thatcher's or Major's cabinets being this repulsive
The present Tory government is more right-wing than previous Tory governments.
Thatcher was perceived to be particularly right-wing only because the change was more abrupt. Now after 35 years of right-wing governments people have lost sight of just how right-wing the Tories have become, many of today's Tory politicians would make Thatcher appear left-wing.
The joker in the pack however is Corbyn. With the Labour Party now led by someone considerably more left-wing than the Tories expect some Tories to start trying to appear more left-wing.
It might not seem that way with this current Tory Party Conference but look at the speeches from 2 front runners to replace Cameron as leader and who are likely to lead the party at the next general election, Osborne and Johnson. Both made speeches which could be seen as less right-wing and more left-wing than might have been previously expected.
New Labour pushed the Tories further and further to the right as the Tories could only be reasonably be expected to attack New Labour from a right-wing perspective - the Tories could never attack Labour from a left-wing perspective.
Corbyn's Labour leadership is now likely to start pulling the Tories more to the left, depending on how much of a threat they perceive him to be. If they consider the threat to be great expect a much less right-wing Tory Party in the future.
"Is it quite incredible how unpleasant they all are."
Almost as nasty as you lot are when you comment about them. 🙄
ernie - there's been a fair number of commentators saying that Cameron and Osborne have basically lifted New Labour and are trying to parachute it into the Tory Party.
Corbyn's position allows them to do so without appearing like they're moving too far to the left (which, tbh, they're not).
I voted Tory, even I find their attitude stinks.
And their all a bit, well, creepy don't you think? 😕
Almost as nasty as you lot are when you comment about them
Awwwww bless. Is it just, like.... SOOOOO not fair that we're saying not-very nice fings about them?
Like they ****ing care?
Lets be honest... This year, it does seem to have become a competition to see who can do the best B'stard caricature
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I don't seem to recall Thatcher's or Major's cabinets being this repulsive
Norman Tebbit
oh heck the guardian, I am a bad leader and a bad parent - will I ever be forgiven?
haven't watched any of this - but May's headlines re immigration made me shudder.
more amusing to watch how GO, TM and Boris are positioning themselves for R1 of the leadership contest - so transparent
GO off to a flying start but could fall for the Icarus syndrome!!!
Two main pol parties run by a guy who is on his way out, and the other who never expected to be there and probably wont last
what a bloody state of affairs
I don't seem to recall Thatcher's or Major's cabinets being this repulsive
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Boris has actually done a pretty decent job of most things.
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Yeah like "Boris" bikes and the Olympics ..........great ideas that came from Labour politicians.
Johnson has done 'a pretty decent job' of maintaining the worse inequality and most unaffordable housing in the UK, despite having more devolved powers than anyone else in England, which along with unaffordable public transport, would make any Tory politician proud.
The current Tories aren't right wing from a historical conservative point of view.
If you want to focus on economic issues, then they are essentially neo-liberals (unrestricted free markets, mass immigration, new world order stuff), that is they are Thatcherite. Paleoconservatives (who consider themselves true conservatives, I think with good reason) tend to oppose neo-liberal economics as it somewhat utopian and also involves giving away power to trans-national organisations like the IMF and WTO. I don't consider Lady T a conservative, I think of her as a revolutionary for her time as an early supporter of neo-liberal economics.
If you want to identify a properly right wing person then Peter Hitchens is probably your best bet, and he hates the Tories for being left-wing on major social, moral and cultural issues like marriage, divorce, and drugs legislation.
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David Mellor was among the least objectionable of Thatcher's ministers imo, he was certainly one of the most left-wing. Which shows just how inclusive Thatcher was with regards to her government.
Tebbit was as right-wing as there was but he was no more right-wing than IDS.
but it was a long time ago, so maybe I've just forgotten about it
Our advancing years will do that. 😳
I was concentrating on the full dictionary definition of the word repulsive, rather than sticking purely to the politics Ernie
Tebbit was as right-wing as there was but he was no more right-wing that IDS.
I also don't think Tebbit killed anyone, whereas IDS's benefits sanctions scheme has killed people.
"Is it quite incredible how unpleasant they all are."
This branding of the nasty party is strange, especially when coming from those outside spitting on them.
They were democratically elected. The outpouring of grief and whinging by the left is staggering.
Perhaps people like lower taxes so they get to choose how to spend their money. I know I do. In fact that's why I moved abroad.
hugo - MemberThey were democratically elected.
under a massively flawed system, with something like 35%* of the votes.
ie. most of us didn't vote for them.
(*cheeky edit: 37%)
I've not bothered to watch any of it live, I hate reflux, but I've read the transcripts of some of the speeches - it makes you wonder what we've let ourselves in for, 2020 suddenly seems a loooong way off.
I think one thing we have to consider - CMD has said he won't stand for PM in 2020, they won't send him out to pasture in 2019, however you cut it, lots of don't vote for their local MP, or even a Party, they vote for a PM so they'll lose lots of votes in 2020 if they're electioneering under the banner PM: tbc. Saying that, absolute power and all that, Tony Blair couldn't be pulled out of No10 with a team of horses even long after it was the right thing to do, he was still there long past the point it was detrimental to their next General Election, perhaps he ****ed a pig too, because someone found a way to shift Tony the Warmonger out.
Anyway Theresa May, make not mistakes her 'Rivers of Blood' speech was a huge mistake in retrospect, it was to be her appeal to the party right and the spring board for her leadership campaign - she didn't get an ovation, which was bad enough, but CMDs speech contradicted hers.
Jeremy Hunt, rhymes with... didn't do much better, he told the "hard working people of Britain(c)" That they should working in sweatshops sewing trainers for 4p a day, well at least until their 14 and can do some real work. Which is going to make life pretty tough in a country where the roof over your head will cost at least double what it will in the rest of the Europe whilst at the same time cutting tax credits in half. Of course the Oxford educated, son of Sir Nicholas Hunt and Multi Millionaire thinks that poor people are poor because they're lazy - after all, he knows what it's like to crawl up from the bottom, he went to Charterhouse and not Eton.
Boris Johnson on the other hand got an ovation before he started and his speech was so centre right, it was probably slightly further left than a late 90s Tony Blair speech. Maybe even old-school Socialism, where he tippy toed between talking about helping people hurt by Osborne's Tax Credit cuts, with talking about Immigration control, not because "darkies are scary" like Theresa May, but because our "one-nation" should be allowed to rule itself (forgetting our absolute veto power in Europe).
Ultimately CMD did best, like all good* Tory leaders, he promises for all, but in the end - they act for the few, what they're good at though is blagging the general public that, despite their income, or their circumstances or background they're middle class even UPPER middle class, a nation of Hyacinth Buckets and the Torys are good for the UPPER middle class, they'll throw you a few crumbs if you wear a suit to work and own an Aga, but really, but mostly they look after the 1% they went to school with, or ideally who'll give you £500k a year to turn a blind eye to bagmen traipsing around the country with a million pounds in cash in rucksacks - no they're not drug dealers, they're Lycamobile, the £3bn a year turnover global telecoms provider. Not that a single mainstream news outlet in the UK will touch the story whilst the conference is on.
I heard a bit of "call me Dave" speech, he claimed to of built 600,000 houses in the last 5 years, is this true?
@ Hugo was that satire or unintentional?
I think the point being made is tories are folk who only think/act out of self interest - whilst telling us Great Britain is brilliant.
I am sure we are all happy to have contributed to your upbringing so you could leave and keep more for yourself
Selfishness certainly makes us all better people and what made this nation Great ..it was satire wasnt it ?
I also don't think Tebbit killed anyone, whereas IDS's benefits sanctions scheme has killed people.
But we don't know how many he's killed because he's used anti-terrorism legislation to block freedom of information requests for the DWP to release the figures that they've collected on the link with suicides and benefits docking.
He really is an utter, complete and total, sociopathic ****, utterly devoid of compassion or empathy!!! Mind you, he's hardly alone in that with this lot
[quote=Pigface opined]I heard a bit of "call me Dave" speech, he claimed to of built 600,000 houses in the last 5 years, is this true?
I think he has been busy doing other things and tbh he does not look like a builder to me
rather than sticking purely to the politics Ernie
Sorry binners my mistake, I was sticking purely to the politics. So yeah, David Mellor was probably aesthetically objectionable. I found that gap in his front teeth and those ridiculously large glasses he was wearing in your pic quite offensive.
IDS talkign about his election as party leader;
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"The day before I got elected the twin towers were struck," he told the crowd.
"So first of all we got no lift on my announcement. It had to be buried the following day, hardly anybody was paying attention."[/i]
It's a good job he saw the bigger picture.
"I was concentrating on the full dictionary definition of the word repulsive, rather than sticking purely to the politics Ernie"
So attacking people based on what they look like now?
Classy 🙄
Pigface - MemberI heard a bit of "call me Dave" speech, he claimed to of built 600,000 houses in the last 5 years, is this true?
No they plan to build 600k houses in England in the next 5 years - they're to be 'affordable' and only offered to first time buyers under 40 - there's been a similar thing going on (smaller scale of course) in South Wales, centred around Cardiff mostly for a while.
It will help 'generation rent' of which I am, unfortunately it doesn't quite fix the secondary issue of deposits, I personally have been offered in principle a mortgage that would be more than enough, in fact it's so large I don't think I could comfortably pay it back - but trying to find the £10k-£15k deposit I'd need whilst paying £1k a month in rent is pretty tough.
hugo - MemberThey were democratically elected. The outpouring of grief and whinging by the left is staggering.
Perhaps people like lower taxes so they get to choose how to spend their money. I know I do. In fact that's why I moved abroad.
So you support the Tories because you like their policies on taxation....in fact that's why you've moved abroad.
I don't expect Tory supporters to make much sense but that comment really is a little beauty.
We are sensitive today, aren't we petal? Are you sure you're cut out for this whole internet thing?
I wasn't referring to his looks actually. Iwas referring to what an arrogant, oily little bastard he was, and still is.
You bought the word 'Classy' up.
[url= http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/29/david-mellor-apologises-verbal-abuse-london-cab-driver ]Stay classy indeed[/url]
Do you live in London Op? Boris has actually done a pretty decent job of most things
Really? Like the garden bridge, the Emirates cable car, the broken Routemaster buses, the tube strikes, the ongoing housing crisis ...
they're to be 'affordable' and only offered to first time buyers under 40
If 250K outside London is what you call affordable. So, a bonanza for developers, on top of the bonanza for folk with spare cash lying around to snap up LloydsTSB shares. Oh what a lovely country!!
They were democratically elected.
I don't get why this is relevant. Plenty of rather unpleasant people have been democratically elected in the past (Godwin's law anyone?).
No they plan to build 600k houses in England in the next 5 years -
Except, AIUI, there is no Government money for this, so they're hoping that someone else will pay for and build these as part of other developments.
was pondering similar to the OP today, would like to ask anyone who voted tory and is a pensioner and/or makes use of the NHS how they feel now?
hugo - MemberThey were democratically elected. The outpouring of grief and whinging by the left is staggering.
Perhaps people like lower taxes so they get to choose how to spend their money. I know I do. In fact that's why I moved abroad.
It's only right and proper than the electorate can, and should criticise the plans of their government - "People shouldn't be afraid of their government. Governments should be afraid of their people"
What's probably more 'staggering' to me is the way the Tories are tearing into Jeremy Corbin and the Labour party, they've gone the 'full Republican' claiming Socialism is a danger the [s]American[/s] British Way and Comrade Corbin will sell us all the Europe, but not before he's given all our money to those thieving immigrants.
Ultimately CMD did best, like all good* Tory leaders, he promises for all, but in the end - they act for the few, what they're good at though is blagging the general public that, despite their income, or their circumstances or background they're middle class
This. I tried to make this point a bit ago. The Tory genius is to convince people that they are benefiting from the nasty medicine even as the Etonians are glugging champers.
"I wasn't referring to his looks actually."
Why post a pic up then, why not just the link? Looks like back pedalling to me.
I'm somewhere in the middle between right and left, I don't have any particular views either way, but the attitudes the lefties have with their bitter vitriol and deep chips on their shoulders just puts me off leaning that way. If you could understand what these Tory bashing threads actually read like (through the permanent red mist you guys seem to have) you might understand.
Ok I apoligise for being nasty and horrid. Comes naturally to us lefties. We're so frightfully uncouth. Its the lack of educashun, see
I take it back. Tory's are all lovely. As they've exhibited so thoroughly this week. And are undeserving of such vitriol.
You've successfully defended Davids Hounour. I do hope he shows his gratitude in some suitable fashion, and not something ghastly involving his Chelsea strip
[i]attitudes the [x] have with their bitter vitriol and deep chips on their shoulders[/i]
substitute political leaning you don't share for [x]
or frankly, SingleSpeeders, Enduro riders etc etc.
was pondering similar to the OP today, would like to ask anyone who voted tory and is a pensioner and/or makes use of the NHS how they feel now?
Pensioners are doing very well, triple locked state pension annual rises, pensioner savings bond, all perks intact.
The Tax Payer's Alliance is just a bunch of arseholes with no power who would like old people to be sent to the gas chamber, but can't make it happen.
If you could understand what these Tory [s]bashing threads actually read like[/s] [u]Policies actually do to poor people[/u] (through the permanent red mist you guys seem to have) you might understand.
I'm somewhere in the middle between right and left, I don't have any particular views either way, but the attitudes the lefties have with their bitter vitriol and deep chips on their shoulders just puts me off leaning that way. If you could understand what these Tory bashing threads actually read like (through the permanent red mist you guys seem to have) you might understand.
But the endless bashing of (e.g.) Corbyn as a "terrorist sympathiser" is OK by you? Apparently you are not as equidistant between left and right as you imagine.
Sorry binners my mistake, I was sticking purely to the politics. So yeah, David Mellor was probably aesthetically objectionable. I found that gap in his front teeth and those ridiculously large glasses he was wearing in your pic quite offensive.
As I have said before, he is photogenic.
I don't seem to recall Thatcher's or Major's cabinets being this repulsive
Norman Tebbit
Totally this - Lawson and Alan Clark were pretty awful as well. To my mind it's not really 'Thatcherism' that continues to blight the tories per se it's 'Tebbitism' the "on your bike" mentality of making their own little bit of the world suit them and not really thinking in another persons shoes
[actually the Milton Friedman economic reliance "privatise and create a market" is the bit of thatcherism that should die but doesn't]
Perhaps people like lower taxes so they get to choose how to spend their money. I know I do. In fact that's why I moved abroad.
So, as a matter of interest, now you get to choose how you spend your money, how much of it do you spend on helping the sick, the elderly and the unemployed? Or do you leave that to someone else?
there is no Government money for this, so they're hoping that someone else will pay for and build these
The Private Finance Initiative (PFI) is an awesome tool for off-balance sheet debts.
Well loved and well used by those notorious Tories, Tony and Gordon...
[i]Well loved and well used by those notorious Tories, Tony and Gordon...[/i]
It was daft when they did it too.
I think the point being made is tories are folk who only think/act out of self interest
🙄 yeah of course they are nothing like a large generalisation.
whilst telling us Great Britain is brilliant.
As opposed to old school labour who are constantly apologising for GB and grumbling how poor people are. Dazh had a good analysis of this on the Corbyn thread. Blair understood it also, people want aspiration.
[i]people want aspiration[/i]
They do.
Although IDS is trying to make sure as few people continue to aspirate as possible.
'Tebbitism' the "on your bike" mentality
IIRC (even though it's 20+ years ago) that was a statement of contempt for the unemployed rather than a policy affecting them. IDS and TM actually put their hatred into policy and inflict it on real people.
IDS was on benefits and he aspired to be the owner of a multi-million pound property.
And he achieved that bold aspiration [s]when his in-laws gave him one[/s] through shear dedication, comittment and hard work
The Private Finance Initiative (PFI) is an awesome tool for off-balance sheet debts.
They're not offering any money (on or off the books), just tweaking the definitions and expecting private builders to build them....
In the key reform, ministers will change the definition of affordable housing to include not just properties for rent, but starter homes, as part of the government’s programme to build low-cost homes for first-time buyers so long as they are under 40 years old. It will mean developers will have fulfilled their obligations to a council if they build homes for purchase.Under the scheme, houses must must be 20% below the market rent and capped at £450,000 inside London and £250,000 outside.
So they just redefine 1000s of houses for sale as "starter homes" and solve the problem without actually building any more houses. A stroke of Genius if it actually worked (which it can't).
I don't seem to recall Thatcher's or Major's cabinets being this repulsive
Norman Tebbit
The problem is that Tebbit was just one individual he wasn't the cabinet.
Thatcher's cabinet also included the likes of Michael Heseltine and Chris Patten, both of whom would look completely out of place in today's Tory cabinet.
This present Tory government is significantly more right-wing than the Tory governments of the 80s and 90s.
Something which some people apparently choose to ignore because of their deep hatred of Thatcher. It's inconceivable to them that David Cameron could be more right-wing than Thatcher, despite the fact that he is.
Cameron gets away with things that Thatcher could not have got away with. Perhaps it's because she was a women. Or perhaps it's because New Labour have made the Tories not look that right-wing. I don't know. But I do know that if people looked at politics in a less superficial manner they would be aware of this obvious fact.
Perhaps people like lower taxes so they get to choose how to spend their money. I know I do.
Don't dress it up.
Money owed in tax isn't YOUR money, it's the state's. So what you're saying is that you want more money. You want others to suffer because you want more money. That's the definition of greed, and that's why they are called the nasty party.
footflaps - MemberIn the key reform, ministers will change the definition of affordable housing to include not just properties for rent, but starter homes, as part of the government’s programme to build low-cost homes for first-time buyers so long as they are under 40 years old. It will mean developers will have fulfilled their obligations to a council if they build homes for purchase.
Under the scheme, houses must must be 20% below the market rent and capped at £450,000 inside London and £250,000 outside.
Wait... Houses can be £250000- 20% above the average house price, even including London- and still count as "low-cost homes for first time buyers"? And I don't see any obligation to sell these only to first time buyers... Unless there's more to it, this isn't even pretending not to be shite.
Unless there's more to it, this isn't even pretending not to be shite
Of course. But they will say "look at us! helping everyone to be a middle class home-owner". And people will vote for them because ... well, because.
Where you can afford one of Camerons starter homes if you're on the living wage;
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Unpleasant people elected by unpleasant people.
No difference between the evil, smallminded, petty, ignorant hatemongers in office and those who elected them, IMO.
Not Having had the swingometer re-calibrated since labours right wing leadership may skew the Tories far right etiquette, Corbyn should influence any future measurements on the far left. You would think that with one lot one way and the others another there would be a massive void in the Middle some where.
Personally I think they are all Vile creatures but given the choice I'd vote Dave over that **** every day of the week.
Standing up for what you personally believe in is fine just don't ram it down every one else's throat, say what you like about the Wary party, but who lead us down the path of War in Iraq and Afghanistan?
No difference between the evil, smallminded, petty, ignorant hatemongers in office and those who elected them, IMO.
Can't say I agree with this, whilst I think a lot of people vote on a pretty selfish basis, I can't believe that most who voted Tory are that nasty. If they are, then mankind is pretty much doomed!
You would think that with one lot one way and the others another there would be a massive void in the Middle some where.
What was traditionally Libdem territory before they commited suicide...
The people who voted for them are either arseholes or easily led.
say what you like about the Wary party, but who lead us down the path of War in Iraq and Afghanistan?
Doesn't matter. That Labour party has been slagged off plenty, the new Old Labour have given us a proper alternative. Blair doesn't make the current Tories any less scumbagnacious.