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Just getting back into listening to vinyl after years of downloads/Spotify - without wanting to sound to knobish it certainly is a whole world away.
Three new LPs this week - Explosions in the Sky, Mogwai and The Range.
This could get expensive...new turntable on the cards..
Welcome back.
I've been spinning Kraftwerk and Neu this evening.
At one point MrsSlim came back into the living room from the kitchen to see if someone was actually playing piano in the living room.
£1000 on amplifier = justified
BTW, Mogwai are playing Atomic at the Barbican in June.
Just started buying vinyl again where available on stuff I want to listen to. Bonus is loads of it seems to come with CD or download too for mobile listening.
This week been spinning Bob Mould, Skilled Mechanics and Massive Attack. Not sure whether it's just nostalgia but listening to an actual record seems to make listening to music more of an event...
seems to make listening to music more of an event...
It is [i]a lot [/i]harder to do playlists though...
I still haven't got one of them new fangled CD things;-)
I need to open a combined artisan coffee, tattoo and 3D printed record shop....
It is a lot harder to do playlists though...
Nakamichi cassette deck can solve that problem for you!
We were watching Better Call Saul the other night and I felt a distinct pang of longing when Chuck put something on the record deck and again yesterday seeing a deck on a shelf in an old fashioned living room (that had obviously been there decades) through someone's window. There was a ritual and a physicality that digital music lacks.
I have around two thousand 12" records, mainly house, techno, drum and bass etc, collected from when I was 16 to around 28 years old. I don't DJ that often anymore and when I do I use vinyl emulation software and / or a MIDI controller. I've got no idea what to do with them now though as they just take up a load of space.
I've sold a few of the rare vinyls over the years on Discogs. I was surprised how much some of it goes for. I sold one record £70 to a lad on Australia which only cost me a fiver when it came out.
Vinyl does sound amazing, and I do miss trawling the racks in record shops for hidden gems. I don't miss the days of lugging a heavy record bag between gigs though.
I've just posted this up on the Everyday Design Classics thread.
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How much of the best music you've ever listened too, on the best nights out (or in) of your life, came via one of those? 🙂
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seems to make listening to music more of an event...
It is a lot harder to do playlists though..
True, which is why I like the fact you often get a CD or download version alongside the vinyl.
Playlists are for hearing music, vinyl is for listening to music...
Not when it turns up warped and gritty it's not. Damn you , Clutch.
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Nothing like a bit of Vinyl nerd willy waving 🙂
I'm going around my mom's at the weekend to pick up up a load of my late dad's records (plus a bunch of mine) - she was paying someone to throw them away along with her old sofa and stereo. There's first pressings of The Wall and A Night at the Opera, used to love examining the album artwork as a kid!
I saw vinyl albums in tesco the other day.
A couple of mates are opening a pop up micro pub cum coffee house cum vinyl store in Wallingford soon.
Bloody hipsters.
used to love examining the album artwork as a kid!
The artwork is the biggest loss.
The artwork is the biggest loss.
Also the messages written into the inner groove. I used to love looking for those.
My Rega has just had a service as it's seeing far more use of late and the local Rise Records store carry plenty of interesting stock.
What's a record?
Oh go on then..
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Not when it turns up warped and gritty it's not. Damn you , Clutch.
Have you got Psychic Warfare on vinyl. I got it on blue vinyl and first song (x-ray visions) after affidavit doesnt sound that good compared to the mp3 version i've got.
Mmmh I really should get off my arse and get my stuff out of the loft,got a LP12,Linn arm,some fancy AT needle, Pink Triangle power supply and an industrial weight of NVA pre ammp,with separate power supply and amps for each of the f-off huge NVA speakers.
Back in the day it could move me like nothing else but I fell in the trap listening more to the recording quality and techniques rather than the music and thats a mug game.
Why is it in the loft ? Well in 2000 our house caught fire, we got out ok but it took took 8 months to replace the roof,garage, gable end etc and my very precious record collection ended up in a skip 🙁 and that knocked the stuffing out of my vinyl habit but that the vinyl revival has fired up my interest -- to be continued !
[i]Playlists are for hearing music, vinyl is for listening to music[/i]
Is that why people buy it in all different colours? 😉
Jeez ONE Judas Priest record is too many, let alone all that lot!
Jeez ONE Judas Priest record is too many, let alone all that lot!
Vinyl makes everything OK 😉
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WHAT??! 😆
Vinyl makes everything OK
Its an unquestionable truth 😀
I love vinyl and everything about it except moving house. (Not a new genre)
Vinyl makes everything OK
until it gets scratched or dirty.
It's the compression and channel crosstalk effects that everyone likes, makes up for the limitations of their hifi...
There's an immediate distortion introduced on any record deck that doesn't have a parallel tracking tonearm, for a start.
It's the compression and channel crosstalk effects that everyone likes
Nah, I just love the way it sounds
How much of the best music you've ever listened too, on the best nights out (or in) of your life, came via one
Precisely? Absolutely zero, zilch, nada.
However, much of the best music I've listened to, on the best nights out of my life, have come from situations like this:
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Vinyl makes everything OK
until it gets scratched or dirty.It's the compression and channel crosstalk effects that everyone likes, makes up for the limitations of their hifi...
There's an immediate distortion introduced on any record deck that doesn't have a parallel tracking tonearm, for a start.
Exactly. My first CD was Peter Gabriel 4, bought in 1982, long before I even owned a player, because the four vinyl copies I bought and returned were just shockingly badly made, just unlistenable, due to the excessive surface noise that nothing could remove.
And that was a brand new release, being played on a couple of grands worth of turntable/arm/cartridge; Logic DM101/Zeta/AT moving coil.
I never bought vinyl after that, and at the prices being asked for vinyl these days, not likely to ever buy any in the future either.
cum coffee house
Now that's niche
Oooh. Completely coincidentally I just dug out my vinyl for the first time in well over a decade, and started playing some of it to the boy on a knackered old amp and turntable set up in the attic. Some cracking bits of plastic in my collection that I'd forgotten about completely. Can't say I'm going to start spending money on it or owt, but it's nice to be able to listen to the old stuff again. 🙂
four vinyl copies I bought and returned were just shockingly badly made
There are bad presses, it happens. The 80's and 90's are notorious for poor quality cuts. However, there are many many delightful presses out there too.
A lot depends on who engineered the mix, the quality of vinyl/machinery used. There are some represses that sound shit where the original sounded marvellous, and vice versa.
Same can be said for many CD's!
I have a hard to find Masterdisk cut of Moondance/Van Morrison from the late 70's in mint condition. It's well known for being a masterful mix and sure enough when playing it recently the MIL stopped yapping and was in awe of how good the reproduction sounded. It's so bloody good at times that it can bring a tear to the eye.
Same goes for my Mo-Fi version of Beck/Sea Change. Staggers me how good a plastic disc and dragging needle can sound.
You were burned by a shit pressing of an album, id urge you to try again.
As is my habit I'm sitting here listening to a few records on my TT while dinner cooks and I have to say it works for me. Cost a few quid to get it to work this well but worth every penny.
It's like folding back the page of a dusty paperback in front of a warm open fire in the corner of a cozy living room. Vinyl can be a rewarding tactile experience.
A vinyl collection is more like an archive, that the owner carefully curates and takes great pleasure from taking time out to look and listen to.
Digital music is great for a quick hard fix. Vinyl is for old romantics. Both are great, neither are wrong
It's the compression and channel crosstalk effects that everyone likes, makes up for the limitations of their hifi...
Yup. Makes it all warm and cuddly.
Tell me more, Eddiebaby!
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I love Vinyl.. and it takes me back to memory lane everytime. I love the rituals of playing it as well.. I wish I have a very spacious cozy and nice old style living room with huge fireplace where I can burn logs/wood to mask the crackling noise of old records
I have a Planar deck sitting in my wardrobe with my complete vinyl collection. Unfortunately we don't have the room to set it up in a permanent position, but if I can kick my kids out of the lounge sometime, I should get it going again, even if it's just occasionally.
I still love my vinyl, very much indeed, but the older I get, the more I appreciate good CD's.
I think technology and understanding has advanced a lot.
CD's can sound pretty good these days, and I appreciate the ability to play the really deep bass on a lot of post CD music.
I love the fact that I can buy a remastered classic album for a fiver from Tesco - which usually reveals more than the crappy 80's vinyl pressings we bought as kids.
Delighted to see the vinyl there too, genuinely made me smile.
For a quiet night in, the vinyl wins every time though.
It's just less fatiguing.
I've not bought a new vinyl album for a long time, but I'd definitely consider it if the quality is there.
Need a new cartridge too.
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@onlysteel
It's called the Keep and it will be taking over from The Music Box. Although Richard will still be doing vinyl there.
If anyone is interested, on another forum I'm selling off some of my vinyl in batches of 10 and thought you guys might be interested.
I've put up a list here of what's available with rough price-guidance for batches.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/registry/wishlist/STSWC0FY88W5/ref=cm_wl_sortbar_o_page_1
Give me a shout if anyone is interested 🙂
Goat Karma - I am interested in some of your albums but TBH I am confused as to how I purchase and also prices - can you email me at richardjoyner1979@gmail.com
Cheers
I do like vinyl for the "experience", nothing like a 12 inch gatefold with a good heavy disc in it. It's just, it's an awful for storing music on. OTOH, if I ever want to recreate the sound of vinyl I can get one of those apps that adds random distortion and noise.
I've picked up the records from my mom's, it's quite amusing seeing the obvious divide between mom and dad's taste. My mom's are all Dione Warwick, Barry White and Gladys Knight and the Pips, my dad's are all ELO, Queen, Supertramp, Pink Floyd, Moody Blues, etc! There is also the original Saturday Night Fever soundtrack, along with Mr Men and Punch and Judy Lps! 😆
Going to be selling most of them though, not sure if eBay or a specialist dealer would be best.
[i]Going to be selling most of them though, not sure if eBay or a specialist dealer would be best[/i].
Sounds like charity shop for that kind of collection.
So, people are buying vinyl and not playing it, and don't even own a record deck - people are odd!...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-36027867
Makes sense to me tbh, I only kept interesting vinyl and stuff that meant something to me, I don't really play it. These guys are just collectors/acquirers, no different to others.
If you're looking to sell, Discogs is a great resource. Gives you an idea straight away of whether something's worth owt.
Cheers for that, Mr Agreeable, I'll take a look!
I bought lots of vinyl with some birthday money. Problem was I could have got twice as many albums on CD. Of the four albums I'll probably only still be listening to one of them in years to come. So I think in future I'm just going to buy new vinyl by artists I really love or to replace CD/mp3 versions of classic albums I already have.
it's an awful (medium?) for storing music on. OTOH, if I ever want to recreate the sound of vinyl I can get one of those apps that adds random distortion and noise.
I use a new anti static lined poly inner sleeve on every purchase, which keeps static dust attraction down to a minimum. I have a number of records that, honestly, make so little noise/pops/crackles you are hard pushed to know that you're listening to vinyl - asides from the lovely warm sound quality!
A good needle/TT helps of course. My set up has a wonderfully low noise floor.
So, people are buying vinyl and not playing it
Sure, investors. I have a copy of Beck/Sea Change, well, 2 different copies, first press cost me about £25 8 or 9 years ago, now worth an easy £100. 2nd ltd press on another label cost me something like £35 4 years ago - now trading for an easy £200 - there's a ltd pink version I could have had for £40 at the same time - am seeing them trade for between £300 and £500 now.
If you're canny the habit/hobby can pay for itself.
I've just spent the last couple of years replacing all my vinyl with digital copies. The vinyl's sound absolutely shocking whether its a £20 or £200 needle. The main reason is they were over played and not cared for by the people using them, including me! The majority have a skip at the beginning from my friends constantly scratching the record back n forth waiting for the beat, or just that worn that the needle doesn't sit in the groove.
I will never get rid of any of them and they still get used/abused. 😉
Also wrecked a few 70's classic albums through trying to mix n scratch them.. Quite literally scratch them! 😳
Saw a thing on TV this morning on about how the current vinyl boom is all about kids buying them for the artwork only. They don't usually have the equipment to play records.
Which is fair enough I have done it myself if I really like an album.
^^yep - www.artvinyl.com
don't forget it's recordstoreday this Saturday folks. 🙄
Far too much in the way of picture discs/coloured vinyl for my liking in the last couple of years.
And the prices keep getting ratcheted up.
All about the collectors, not the listeners.
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What you need is one of these!! 😆
I N R A T S but did anyone hear in the news, 48% of current vinyl buyers don't play the records?
Oh and Linns are overated!
But they play tunes!*
You've obviously not tried one with the Cinikal upgrade, it makes the music come alive.
*or sound a bit coloured.
Oh and Linns are overated!
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Trouble is that there are so many variables with them these days with various upgrade options....Perhaps they're a little sensitive to being set up correctly...but still beats most IMHO. A Badly set up LP12 will sound a bit off
[i]don't forget it's recordstoreday this Saturday folks[/i]
Yeah, gets worse every year. Last year a bloke outside the shop enthusing about some Duran Duran re-issue made me realise it's just not for me anymore. Not bothering this time.
Recordstore day has become a beast, inevitable when money meets popularity. It still has its place.
I'm telling you, all you pooh poohers, sliding out a few classic albums and spinning them on a lazy Sunday morning - with a nice cup of coffee and a maybe some eggs on toast - whilst pondering the intricacies of said recording - now that's just plain Niceeeee
INdeed. Doing the same with CDs or HD stored FLACS just isn't the same 😛
I'm telling you, all you pooh poohers, sliding out a few classic albums and spinning them on a lazy Sunday morning - with a nice cup of coffee and a maybe some eggs on toast - whilst pondering the intricacies of said recording - now that's just plain Niceeeee
If I was listening to anything on a Sunday morning it would be Cerys Matthews on 6, and I'd have a notepad or Shazam handy for all of the interesting new stuff she plays that I'd never hear anywhere else.
I can listen to music I already own at anytime.
Saw a thing on TV this morning on about how the current vinyl boom is all about kids buying them for the artwork only. They don't usually have the equipment to play records.
The music is an irrelevance, it's just a hipster/fashion thing to look cool.
For me, the music is the truly important thing, the actual medium on which its played comes down to the most convenient for carrying around, which is a 320Kb AAC digital file on my phone or pod. Cassettes were perfectly good enough for years, yet digital files get slagged off for poor sound; have those doing the criticising ever listened to an average tape copy of a vinyl album, I wonder, 'cos even a 256Kb MP3 will wee in its boots!
I've got a bunch of mix tapes recorded on a really good consumer cassette deck, an Aiwa AD-F770, from a £2500 turntable setup, and frankly the results now sound pretty ropey, although that's probably as much to do with the cruddy vinyl back in the 80's, apart from 12" singles, which sound awesome!
Ah c'mon, it's fun, as all those kids are finding out (at £15.00 a pop 🙂 )
I'm both delighted and astounded it's survived, imperfections and all.
Living history innit, a warm, fuzzy look back into a rosey past.
It can sound luxurious.
It takes a bit of effort.
And you can't skin up on a download.
CountZero - MemberI've got a bunch of mix tapes recorded on a really good consumer cassette deck, an Aiwa AD-F770, from a £2500 turntable setup, and frankly the results now sound pretty ropey,
Remember the tapes'll degrade too, from playing and in storage- I got with the digital revolution and copied all my tapes, bootlegs etc to, er, minidisk. Which I now can't play 😆
(it freaked me out to think with some of the radio taped stuff I have, there's probably no archive or similiar; maybe I have the only copy of Downset covering Run To The Hills [i]in the world[/i])
My oldest tapes (late 70's on) are starting to go, but only the crappy ones used on official releases.
All the SA90's and BASF's taped from vinyl and radio still seem to work OK.
There's the whole of Live Aid upstairs on C90 -I don't really know why.
I've not listened to them since the day I recorded them.
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CountZero - MemberIf I was listening to anything on a Sunday morning it would be Cerys Matthews on 6, and I'd have a notepad or Shazam handy for all of the interesting new stuff she plays that I'd never hear anywhere else.
Don't you use that playlister thing?
Countzero - you've missed my point. I enjoy not only the sound, but the whole process. I understand that there are 'better' more convenient mediums - but part of the physical nature of vinyl connects you in a more fulfilling way. With an original Dylan/Zepp/Beatles (etc) pressing it's great to be actually holding something that was on the shelf in the record shop back in the 60's.
I can't afford a classic 60's/70's car, but I can afford a couple of albums from the era. Think of them as mini time machines if you will
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I like the whole cleaning process 🙂
[i]I'd have a notepad ... for all of the interesting new stuff she plays that I'd never hear anywhere else.[/i]
Just one of those bookmark tab Post-It notes then 🙂
I'm both delighted and astounded it's survived, imperfections and all.
Gilles Peterson was interviewing some independant label guy who said that, although they had been pressing vinyl for years, they were finding it increasingly difficult now and were giving up because the big players were buying up all the pressing plants that people like him had kept going with their custom!